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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by Lou Pilder on October 17, 2014, at 18:51:12
In reply to Lou's reply- Th Hsiung-Pilder discussion-cret/devl » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 17, 2014, at 10:27:18
> > > What the issue here involves, is as if you sanctioned the post or not
> > > What you did was to ask the poster to revise it, which I do not see any revision of {the only way} to be understood by readers This means that since the poster did not revise it, then readers could think that what is in question is supportive because you allowed it to remain unrevised.
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> > True. Readers could also think it wasn't supportive because I asked for it to be revised.
> >
> > > But the whole idea of allowing to be revised is what I object to because how can you revise someone else's quote?
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> > You could quote less. Apparently there was a way to do that:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20041120/msgs/427644.html
> >
> > but that doesn't seem to work now. I guess they changed their search engine.
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> > --
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> > > > A subset of readers could also think that I'm not sanctioning those posts because the outcomes you fear are unlikely.
> > >
> > > Now there could be or there could not be a rationale basis for that subset of readers to think that. The issue is that I am objecting that you are allowing statements to be seen as civil and supportive that could arouse antisemitic feelings, lead Jews to feel put down, lead Jews to feel that their faith is being put down and statements that put down Jews or Judaism itself
> >
> > Exactly, a subset of readers could think it's unlikely that my actions would lead Jews to feel I'm putting down their faith.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote [... a subset of readers could think that it is unlikely that my actions, (Lou), would lead Jews to feel I'm putting down their faith...].
> Your actions could be that you will not post a repudiation to posts that have anti-Semitic propaganda in them. If that is what you mean, there could be a subset of readers that think otherwise than your subset proposed. And your rule is to not post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down, which is not overruled in your TOS/FAQ by that someone else may not think that.
> Those that think that your actions of allowing antisemitism to be seen as supportive here where they are originally posted, have a rational basis to think that your actions at least have IMHO the potential to think that your actions could lead Jews to feel that your are putting down their faith because you say that being supportive takes precedence and that statements that put down those of other faiths or could lead one to think that their faith is being put down, are not supportive. And the fact that you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole, that subset of readers could think that you are putting down Jews because you think that it will be good for this community as a whole to do so by allowing anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive here. Your actions could then be considered by that subset of readers to constitute creating and developing anti-Semitic hate here, by controlling what is considered to be supportive by your thinking by saying that being supportive takes precedence.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
Now let us look at http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1070996.html
In this post, there is an offered link by the poster at the end of that post that goes to John 5. There are verses in that link that are in question that I am asking for you to post a repudiation to. I see no post by you asking for the poster to revise it, so since you say that when you do ask for a revision that means that you think that there is what is unsupportive in the link, then readers could think that since you have not posted to revise to the poster, then what is in the link is supportive.
I am asking for you to consider the following:
I would like for you to post something like:
A. Readers, I know that the statements in the verses that Lou is asking for me to post a repudiation to are as he says. But I want you to know that I do not consider those verses that Lou is bringing here to our attention to be supportive.
B. Readers, I know that there could be a subset of readers that could think that I am not posting a sanction to the anti-Semitic statements here so that hate could be discussed. But I want you to know that the reason that I am not posting a sanction to those statements is different from that.
C. Readers, I know that there could be a subset of readers to think that I am not posting sanctions to the statements in question here that are part of historical anti-Semitic propaganda because by me allowing those to be seen as supportive, hatred toward the Jews could be created and developed by me. But I want you to know that is not the reason that I am leaving those statements to be seen as supportive here where they are originally posted
If you could post all 3 of those, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 18, 2014, at 20:49:28
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ehynoe, posted by Lou Pilder on October 17, 2014, at 18:51:12
> I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think here by you now saying that you want to revise what you posted to me here.
You know, I'm unsure myself as to what charges I was defending myself against. Let's start from here:
1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> I did not give you my permission to be a subject person to be a target of hate here
Do you not want to be a target of hate? Would you rather be a target of love? Or not the target of any feelings at all?
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> > a subset of readers could think it's unlikely that my actions would lead Jews to feel I'm putting down their faith.
>
> there could be a subset of readers that think otherwise than your subset proposed.True.
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http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
> In this post, there is an offered link by the poster at the end of that post that goes to John 5. There are verses in that link that are in question that I am asking for you to post a repudiation to. I see no post by you asking for the poster to revise it
No, but a deputy did sanction that post:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 18, 2014, at 21:04:22
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 18, 2014, at 20:49:28
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think here by you now saying that you want to revise what you posted to me here.
>
> You know, I'm unsure myself as to what charges I was defending myself against. Let's start from here:
>
> 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
>
> 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
>
> > I did not give you my permission to be a subject person to be a target of hate here
>
> Do you not want to be a target of hate? Would you rather be a target of love? Or not the target of any feelings at all?
>
> --
>
> > > a subset of readers could think it's unlikely that my actions would lead Jews to feel I'm putting down their faith.
> >
> > there could be a subset of readers that think otherwise than your subset proposed.
>
> True.
>
> --
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
>
> > In this post, there is an offered link by the poster at the end of that post that goes to John 5. There are verses in that link that are in question that I am asking for you to post a repudiation to. I see no post by you asking for the poster to revise it
>
> No, but a deputy did sanction that post:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote that a deputy did sanction that post.
What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
And anyway, you say that the poster could post any link even with anti-Semitic propaganda. And then you say that the poster could continue posting as long as they rephrase what is in the link. I see no request to the poster of the post in question that has John 5 in an offered link to rephrase what is in that link.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 18, 2014, at 21:23:42
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-phntum » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 18, 2014, at 21:04:22
> > > I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think here by you now saying that you want to revise what you posted to me here.
> >
> > You know, I'm unsure myself as to what charges I was defending myself against. Let's start from here:
> >
> > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> >
> > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> >
> > > I did not give you my permission to be a subject person to be a target of hate here
> >
> > Do you not want to be a target of hate? Would you rather be a target of love? Or not the target of any feelings at all?
> >
> > --
> >
> > > > a subset of readers could think it's unlikely that my actions would lead Jews to feel I'm putting down their faith.
> > >
> > > there could be a subset of readers that think otherwise than your subset proposed.
> >
> > True.
> >
> > --
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
> >
> > > In this post, there is an offered link by the poster at the end of that post that goes to John 5. There are verses in that link that are in question that I am asking for you to post a repudiation to. I see no post by you asking for the poster to revise it
> >
> > No, but a deputy did sanction that post:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote that a deputy did sanction that post.
> What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
> And anyway, you say that the poster could post any link even with anti-Semitic propaganda. And then you say that the poster could continue posting as long as they rephrase what is in the link. I see no request to the poster of the post in question that has John 5 in an offered link to rephrase what is in that link.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[..my policy is to not sanction archived posts...].
But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole. A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
When a subset of readers see that you will not sanction anti-Semitic propaganda because it is archived, they could think that it is not against your rules even with that you posted that you should revise what you said here about that. For the revision is only seen in that one post and is not made know in your FAQ of your changing your mind about your rule. The outcome from that could have tragic consequences to Jews as the historical record shows and as we speak anti-Semitic acts are committed all over the world fueled by anti-Semitic propaganda coming from the internet. A subset of readers here could think that anti-Semitism is supportive in your thinking on the basis that you say that support takes precedence and that you will not sanction archived posts that contain anti-Semitic content and that you changed your rule from to not post links with anti-Semitic content, period, to that one can post links with anti-Semitic content as long as they post another link that omits the antisemitic content. But the original link is still there. And the poster was not told to revise the link with the link to John 5 in it and did not post another substitute link.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 18, 2014, at 21:54:02
In reply to Re: posts in the archives, posted by Dr. Bob on October 15, 2014, at 12:40:51
> > 1. If you agree that there are posts in the archives that are identified by Lou Pilder as being prejudicial, why have you not edited the archives to reflect the appropriate sanctions to be placed on these posts?
> >
> > 2. If you do not agree that such posts exist, where might I find verbiage by you that asserts this fact.
>
> My policy is not to sanction archived posts. I'd prefer to focus on the present (and the future).
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> > 3. Will you make any changes to this website's FAQ to reflect that which you have learned during your discourse with Lou Pilder?
>
> What a job that would be, to articulate what I've learned here. :-)
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...My policy is to not sanction archived posts...].
I have the following requests:
A. Would you be willing to post a {disclaimer}, which could not constitute a sanction, to posts that have anti-Semitic propaganda in them being allowed to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record?
B. If you would be willing to post a disclaimer, would you be willing to post something like the following to those posts that I have alerted you to that have antisemitic statements in them being allowed to be seen as supportive?
1. Readers,I know that a subset of readers could see that there is anti-Jewish thought that me and my deputies of record are allowing to be seen as supportive by us. And that could lead those readers to think that we are ratifying the anti-Jewish thought to be supportive by us. But be advised that I think that it will be good for this community as a whole to keep those statements without a disclaimer even though by allowing the statements that put down Jews to be seen as supportive by us could make it possible for antisemitsm to flourish here, but we disclaim that we are ratifying what the anti-Semitic statements purport and we will not post why it will be good for this community as a whole to allow the statements to be seen as supportive by us.
2. Readers, I know that there are statements here that could lead a Jew to feel that their faith is being put down being allowed to be seen as supportive by me and my deputies of record. But be advised that even though I have stated that my policy is that being supportive takes precedence, it is better for us and the community as a whole in my thinking, to leave what could expose Jews to harm, for we think it will be best for the benefit of some others, and for the community as a whole, to let the harm that could come to Jews to continue even though we could have posted a sanction when the post was initially posted, and we could post a sanction now, because we have a policy that overrules our policy that being supportive takes precedence.
"Dr. Bob"
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 18, 2014, at 21:54:03
In reply to Lou's request- policy overules being supportive » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 18, 2014, at 7:09:34
> > > 1. If you agree that there are posts in the archives that are identified by Lou Pilder as being prejudicial, why have you not edited the archives to reflect the appropriate sanctions to be placed on these posts?
> > >
> > > 2. If you do not agree that such posts exist, where might I find verbiage by you that asserts this fact.
> >
> > My policy is not to sanction archived posts. I'd prefer to focus on the present (and the future).
> >
> > > 3. Will you make any changes to this website's FAQ to reflect that which you have learned during your discourse with Lou Pilder?
> >
> > What a job that would be, to articulate what I've learned here. :-)
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...My policy is to not sanction archived posts...].
> I have the following requests:
> A. Would you be willing to post a {disclaimer}, which could not constitute a sanction, to posts that have anti-Semitic propaganda in them being allowed to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record?
> B. If you would be willing to post a disclaimer, would you be willing to post something like the following to those posts that I have alerted you to that have antisemitic statements in them being allowed to be seen as supportive?
> 1. Readers,I know that a subset of readers could see that there is anti-Jewish thought that me and my deputies of record are allowing to be seen as supportive by us. And that could lead those readers to think that we are ratifying the anti-Jewish thought to be supportive by us. But be advised that I think that it will be good for this community as a whole to keep those statements without a disclaimer even though by allowing the statements that put down Jews to be seen as supportive by us could make it possible for antisemitsm to flourish here, but we disclaim that we are ratifying what the anti-Semitic statements purport and we will not post why it will be good for this community as a whole to allow the statements to be seen as supportive by us.
> 2. Readers, I know that there are statements here that could lead a Jew to feel that their faith is being put down being allowed to be seen as supportive by me and my deputies of record. But be advised that even though I have stated that my policy is that being supportive takes precedence, it is better for us and the community as a whole in my thinking, to leave what could expose Jews to harm, for we think it will be best for the benefit of some others, and for the community as a whole, to let the harm that could come to Jews to continue even though we could have posted a sanction when the post was initially posted, and we could post a sanction now, because we have a policy that overrules our policy that being supportive takes precedence.
> "Dr. Bob"
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
Here are some posst that if you are agreeing to post a disclaimer to posts that have anti-Semitic propaganda in them allowed to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record, that would like for you to post some type of disclaimer that shows that you and your deputes of record are not validating the anti-Semitic propaganda.
Lou Pilder
A. [ admin, 428781 ]
B. http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20060614/msgs/735373.html
In the above, since you said that you think that it is good, I would like for you to post why you think it is good so that I can post my response to you.
C. http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1004107.html
In the above, the statement in question is,[...made to suffer a horrible death by {them}
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 19, 2014, at 14:52:15
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 18, 2014, at 20:49:28
> > I am unsure as to what you are wanting readers to think here by you now saying that you want to revise what you posted to me here.
>
> You know, I'm unsure myself as to what charges I was defending myself against. Let's start from here:
>
> 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
>
> 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
>
> > I did not give you my permission to be a subject person to be a target of hate here
>
> Do you not want to be a target of hate? Would you rather be a target of love? Or not the target of any feelings at all?
>
> --
>
> > > a subset of readers could think it's unlikely that my actions would lead Jews to feel I'm putting down their faith.
> >
> > there could be a subset of readers that think otherwise than your subset proposed.
>
> True.
>
> --
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
>
> > In this post, there is an offered link by the poster at the end of that post that goes to John 5. There are verses in that link that are in question that I am asking for you to post a repudiation to. I see no post by you asking for the poster to revise it
>
> No, but a deputy did sanction that post:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
>
> BobMr. Hsung,
You wrote,[...I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely...].
There could be a subset of readers to think that what you wrote is a lie based on the dictionary used here to decide what words mean and that dictionary says that a false statement could be a lie without the person intending to deceive, but the person could intend to deceive.
Those readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
The notifications are according to your TOS here in regards to that when sees a statement that is against your rules, and you allow it to be seen as supportive, that the notification procedure could be used to alert you of an uncivil and unsupportive statement such as one that puts down or accuses or leads one to feel that their faith is being put down or is an anti-Semitic statement and language that could offend others and more. It is not the outcome as if , let's say, the poster that is being defamed will kill themselves if the statement is allowed to be seen as supportive, and you and your deputies of record do not think so, so you will allow it to stand, but could anyone know that, if that is what you mean by the outcome? It is what is posted that can be seen that determines if a statement is uncivil and not supportive, as to if the statement puts down or accuses or is anti-Semitic or such as you say in your rules. I took you at your word when you posted your rule and here is a link to the rule.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20061018/msgs/699224.html
As to if your intent is to deceive, that could be made in the minds of readers that understand how intent is determined. They could also see that you also stated something like that if others see you not respond to me, then they might not respond to me. Those readers that consider what you wrote that is in question here to be a lie, could also see what could go to being your intent And when they see that you gave permission to the poster that has posted the link to John 5 to keep posting links that have anti-Semitic propaganda in it by you telling the poster to revise it by posting a substitute link while the original link with the anti-Semitism remains to be seen, they could put that together with what they think is a lie by you here in relation to why you have not responded to my notifications spanning years. You see, your rule in your TOS/FAQ that I have never seen to be changed by you, is to not post what could lead someone to feel that they are being put down, even if they are quoting someone else, and a link can be quoting someone else. This subset of readers could think that your intent is to accommodate antisemitism by giving a system where a poster can post anti-Semitism in a link, at their will, then you say to revise it and they post something else and then go on to the next link with anti-Semitic propaganda in it and repeat the system over and over. By doing that, those readers that think that what you have posted here in question to be a lie, could also think that you gave the system to that poster to create and develop anti-Semitic hate here and also since there is defamation posted here against me that can be seen as supportive where it is originally posted, those readers could also think that an intent in what can be seen could be to inflict emotional distress upon me and Jews throughout the world, for the anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as supportive, goes to all Jews, not Just me. And worse, because you say that you do not sanction what is archived, those readers could think that if I sent a notification to you and all of your deputies and you all were indifferent to the notification, and then it was archived, it was then you and your deputies of record that allowed it to be archived, which could be thought to constitute deceit by those readers that think that what you posted here to me that is in question, is a lie.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2014, at 2:05:14
In reply to , posted by on December 31, 1969, at 18:00:00
> > a deputy did sanction that post:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
>
> What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
which is the post with the link to John 5.
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> > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
>
> But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
> A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
True, they could think my real intent is different.
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> > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
>
> readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:20:50
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2014, at 2:05:14
> > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
>
> That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
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> which is the post with the link to John 5.
>
> --
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> > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> >
> > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
>
> True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
>
> > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
>
> True, they could think my real intent is different.
>
> --
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> > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> >
> > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
>
> True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
>
> You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...My policy is to not have policies that are personal. But you have successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general policy. I feel better.Thanks, Lou...].
By articulating your rationale, as I see what you have posted here as, {...I think that by not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole...} to be your rationale, I find that what you have posted as your rationale here, if what I have put in the brackets here is your rationale, to not in any way whatsoever in my thinking, make what you wrote to change what you say is a {personal policy} to a general policy. My rational basis for thinking that is because your policy that you used me in is:
[...When I'm notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster that notified me. One exception is that right now it may be good for this community as a whole, and for me, to leave some of Lou's notifications outstanding...].
Your stated rationale for leaving my notifications outstanding is that it may be good for you and the community as a whole to do so.
Let us look at what you have written:
A. When I am notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster who notified me.
There are no exceptions listed by you there. You see, the notifications are what a poster thinks in that existing rules are not being applied to a statement so you could be alerted to apply your rules. As to the poster having a fear, let's say, that by you allowing an anti-Semitic statement to be seen as supportive and then alerts you by using your procedure to apply your rule, your policy is to then either respond on the board enforcing the rule of yours or notifying the poster that sent the notification. My reminders show that neither was done by you or any of your deputies of record. These reminders span years, way before you posted that some of my notifications you would leave outstanding, as me being the only person the exception is for.
B. As far as that you say that it will be good for you and the community as a whole to not respond to my notifications, that could mean to a subset of readers that you are creating n anti-Semitic policy for yourself and this community to deny me the use of your own procedure to have anti-Semitic statements addressed by using the notification procedure that you admit you are denying me to use as I am the only exception. And since you have not allowed me to have equal protection of your rules and policies, then those subsets of readers that understand that anti-Semitism can be developed in a community by discriminating against the Jewish person in regards to having a policy that denies the Jew equality in the rules, a subset of readers could think that anti-Semitism is supportive in your thinking because by you denying me the equal protection of your rules in relation to you not responding to my notifications, the anti-Semitic statements could then go into the archives where you say that you will not sanction them there. But it is you and your deputies of record that allowed them to be archived by not responding to my notifications when you and those deputies or record could have done so if they wanted to. But by years of not responding to my notifications, a pattern can be deduced as to the intent of you and your deputies of record by those that understand how motive can be deduced from what is in the record.
Your articulated rationale as I see it, purports that you are responding to fears by me in some way if you respond to my notifications and therefore you can not respond. I do not consider that making your personal policy into a general policy, but just some type of justification that you are wanting to use to justify discrimination in the applying of your rules, which is an abuse of power. You see, it has not be good for communities as a whole in the historical record to leave defamation against people and anti-Semitic and ant-Islamic propaganda to be seen as supportive, and as here, where it is originally posted so I see no reason for your community to somehow be improved by you allowing insults and hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and others and defamation toward me to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted.
I think that if you went to the post where {no non-Christian...}is posted and opened it up and you typed right there in the post by the poster and addendum like an editor's note, something like:
operator's note:
be advised that we do not consider the statement, [no non-Christian will...] to be supportive and I have a self-made policy that if I sanction a statement in a post, I can leave another unsupportive statement to stand so that the poster doesn't feel to bad. This may mean that some readers could think that I am allowing their faith to be seen as being put down and insulted by a third -party and could have a rational basis to think that because my rule is not to post anything that could lead someone to feel put down....].
Now if you were to take remedial steps like I have outlined here for that post, then the fear that I have that Islamic people and Jews and all others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian could think that you are insulting Islam and those faiths by allowing the statement to stand un repudiated, then the fear of those people in those faith becoming victims of anti-Semitic and anti Islamic violence could be alleviated.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:50:54
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-gnurul? » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:20:50
> > > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> > >
> > > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
> >
> > That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
> >
> > which is the post with the link to John 5.
> >
> > --
> >
> > > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> > >
> > > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
> >
> > True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
> >
> > > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
> >
> > True, they could think my real intent is different.
> >
> > --
> >
> > > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> > >
> > > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
> >
> > True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
> >
> > You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...My policy is to not have policies that are personal. But you have successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general policy. I feel better.Thanks, Lou...].
> By articulating your rationale, as I see what you have posted here as, {...I think that by not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole...} to be your rationale, I find that what you have posted as your rationale here, if what I have put in the brackets here is your rationale, to not in any way whatsoever in my thinking, make what you wrote to change what you say is a {personal policy} to a general policy. My rational basis for thinking that is because your policy that you used me in is:
> [...When I'm notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster that notified me. One exception is that right now it may be good for this community as a whole, and for me, to leave some of Lou's notifications outstanding...].
> Your stated rationale for leaving my notifications outstanding is that it may be good for you and the community as a whole to do so.
> Let us look at what you have written:
> A. When I am notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster who notified me.
> There are no exceptions listed by you there. You see, the notifications are what a poster thinks in that existing rules are not being applied to a statement so you could be alerted to apply your rules. As to the poster having a fear, let's say, that by you allowing an anti-Semitic statement to be seen as supportive and then alerts you by using your procedure to apply your rule, your policy is to then either respond on the board enforcing the rule of yours or notifying the poster that sent the notification. My reminders show that neither was done by you or any of your deputies of record. These reminders span years, way before you posted that some of my notifications you would leave outstanding, as me being the only person the exception is for.
> B. As far as that you say that it will be good for you and the community as a whole to not respond to my notifications, that could mean to a subset of readers that you are creating n anti-Semitic policy for yourself and this community to deny me the use of your own procedure to have anti-Semitic statements addressed by using the notification procedure that you admit you are denying me to use as I am the only exception. And since you have not allowed me to have equal protection of your rules and policies, then those subsets of readers that understand that anti-Semitism can be developed in a community by discriminating against the Jewish person in regards to having a policy that denies the Jew equality in the rules, a subset of readers could think that anti-Semitism is supportive in your thinking because by you denying me the equal protection of your rules in relation to you not responding to my notifications, the anti-Semitic statements could then go into the archives where you say that you will not sanction them there. But it is you and your deputies of record that allowed them to be archived by not responding to my notifications when you and those deputies or record could have done so if they wanted to. But by years of not responding to my notifications, a pattern can be deduced as to the intent of you and your deputies of record by those that understand how motive can be deduced from what is in the record.
> Your articulated rationale as I see it, purports that you are responding to fears by me in some way if you respond to my notifications and therefore you can not respond. I do not consider that making your personal policy into a general policy, but just some type of justification that you are wanting to use to justify discrimination in the applying of your rules, which is an abuse of power. You see, it has not be good for communities as a whole in the historical record to leave defamation against people and anti-Semitic and ant-Islamic propaganda to be seen as supportive, and as here, where it is originally posted so I see no reason for your community to somehow be improved by you allowing insults and hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and others and defamation toward me to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted.
> I think that if you went to the post where {no non-Christian...}is posted and opened it up and you typed right there in the post by the poster and addendum like an editor's note, something like:
> operator's note:
> be advised that we do not consider the statement, [no non-Christian will...] to be supportive and I have a self-made policy that if I sanction a statement in a post, I can leave another unsupportive statement to stand so that the poster doesn't feel to bad. This may mean that some readers could think that I am allowing their faith to be seen as being put down and insulted by a third -party and could have a rational basis to think that because my rule is not to post anything that could lead someone to feel put down....].
> Now if you were to take remedial steps like I have outlined here for that post, then the fear that I have that Islamic people and Jews and all others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian could think that you are insulting Islam and those faiths by allowing the statement to stand un repudiated, then the fear of those people in those faith becoming victims of anti-Semitic and anti Islamic violence could be alleviated.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
Here is another post that has contained in it what many include as anti-Semitic propaganda.
The poster offers a link that goes to Matthew 27. The entire passage has been used historically by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder as attempting to justify their hatred toward the Jews from verses in that chapter.
The link stands today being allowed to be seen as supportive by you and all of your deputies of record. In order for my fear of a subset of readers taking the passage as thinking that you want it to remain to be seen as supportive, I am asking that you open the post and type in right in the post itself something like:
operator's note:
Be advised that we do not consider what is written about the Jews in the offered link to Matthew 27, including but not limited to verse 25, to be supportive. We all gave this poster a venue to post anti-Semitic propaganda so long as the poster posted another statement that did not contain the anti-Semitic propaganda after we asked the poster to revise the link. Here we did not ask the poster to post a revision of what is in the link so a subset of readers could think that we want to advance anti-Semitism here by allowing the passage that is considered by Jews and many others to be anti-Semitic propaganda, such as but nut limited to,[...his blood be...]as in verse 25 to be seen as supportive.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou PIlder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:54:42
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-mat27/25, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:50:54
> > > > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> > > >
> > > > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
> > >
> > > That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
> > >
> > > which is the post with the link to John 5.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> > > >
> > > > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
> > >
> > > True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
> > >
> > > > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
> > >
> > > True, they could think my real intent is different.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> > > >
> > > > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
> > >
> > > True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
> > >
> > > You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > You wrote,[...My policy is to not have policies that are personal. But you have successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general policy. I feel better.Thanks, Lou...].
> > By articulating your rationale, as I see what you have posted here as, {...I think that by not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole...} to be your rationale, I find that what you have posted as your rationale here, if what I have put in the brackets here is your rationale, to not in any way whatsoever in my thinking, make what you wrote to change what you say is a {personal policy} to a general policy. My rational basis for thinking that is because your policy that you used me in is:
> > [...When I'm notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster that notified me. One exception is that right now it may be good for this community as a whole, and for me, to leave some of Lou's notifications outstanding...].
> > Your stated rationale for leaving my notifications outstanding is that it may be good for you and the community as a whole to do so.
> > Let us look at what you have written:
> > A. When I am notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster who notified me.
> > There are no exceptions listed by you there. You see, the notifications are what a poster thinks in that existing rules are not being applied to a statement so you could be alerted to apply your rules. As to the poster having a fear, let's say, that by you allowing an anti-Semitic statement to be seen as supportive and then alerts you by using your procedure to apply your rule, your policy is to then either respond on the board enforcing the rule of yours or notifying the poster that sent the notification. My reminders show that neither was done by you or any of your deputies of record. These reminders span years, way before you posted that some of my notifications you would leave outstanding, as me being the only person the exception is for.
> > B. As far as that you say that it will be good for you and the community as a whole to not respond to my notifications, that could mean to a subset of readers that you are creating n anti-Semitic policy for yourself and this community to deny me the use of your own procedure to have anti-Semitic statements addressed by using the notification procedure that you admit you are denying me to use as I am the only exception. And since you have not allowed me to have equal protection of your rules and policies, then those subsets of readers that understand that anti-Semitism can be developed in a community by discriminating against the Jewish person in regards to having a policy that denies the Jew equality in the rules, a subset of readers could think that anti-Semitism is supportive in your thinking because by you denying me the equal protection of your rules in relation to you not responding to my notifications, the anti-Semitic statements could then go into the archives where you say that you will not sanction them there. But it is you and your deputies of record that allowed them to be archived by not responding to my notifications when you and those deputies or record could have done so if they wanted to. But by years of not responding to my notifications, a pattern can be deduced as to the intent of you and your deputies of record by those that understand how motive can be deduced from what is in the record.
> > Your articulated rationale as I see it, purports that you are responding to fears by me in some way if you respond to my notifications and therefore you can not respond. I do not consider that making your personal policy into a general policy, but just some type of justification that you are wanting to use to justify discrimination in the applying of your rules, which is an abuse of power. You see, it has not be good for communities as a whole in the historical record to leave defamation against people and anti-Semitic and ant-Islamic propaganda to be seen as supportive, and as here, where it is originally posted so I see no reason for your community to somehow be improved by you allowing insults and hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and others and defamation toward me to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted.
> > I think that if you went to the post where {no non-Christian...}is posted and opened it up and you typed right there in the post by the poster and addendum like an editor's note, something like:
> > operator's note:
> > be advised that we do not consider the statement, [no non-Christian will...] to be supportive and I have a self-made policy that if I sanction a statement in a post, I can leave another unsupportive statement to stand so that the poster doesn't feel to bad. This may mean that some readers could think that I am allowing their faith to be seen as being put down and insulted by a third -party and could have a rational basis to think that because my rule is not to post anything that could lead someone to feel put down....].
> > Now if you were to take remedial steps like I have outlined here for that post, then the fear that I have that Islamic people and Jews and all others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian could think that you are insulting Islam and those faiths by allowing the statement to stand un repudiated, then the fear of those people in those faith becoming victims of anti-Semitic and anti Islamic violence could be alleviated.
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Here is another post that has contained in it what many include as anti-Semitic propaganda.
> The poster offers a link that goes to Matthew 27. The entire passage has been used historically by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder as attempting to justify their hatred toward the Jews from verses in that chapter.
> The link stands today being allowed to be seen as supportive by you and all of your deputies of record. In order for my fear of a subset of readers taking the passage as thinking that you want it to remain to be seen as supportive, I am asking that you open the post and type in right in the post itself something like:
> operator's note:
> Be advised that we do not consider what is written about the Jews in the offered link to Matthew 27, including but not limited to verse 25, to be supportive. We all gave this poster a venue to post anti-Semitic propaganda so long as the poster posted another statement that did not contain the anti-Semitic propaganda after we asked the poster to revise the link. Here we did not ask the poster to post a revision of what is in the link so a subset of readers could think that we want to advance anti-Semitism here by allowing the passage that is considered by Jews and many others to be anti-Semitic propaganda, such as but nut limited to,[...his blood be...]as in verse 25 to be seen as supportive.
> "Dr. Bob and his deputies"
> Lou PIlder
here is the link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/652741.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2014, at 8:26:53
In reply to Big Bully » Dr. Bob, posted by Bryte on August 2, 2014, at 17:17:10
> What nonsense. What a big bully. Hsiung says he recognizes Pilder's long standing concern about a particular post to be symptomatic of anxiety. The post serves no purpose to anybody - other than as an icon to Hsiung in his personal psychodrama to prove to his audience that he can have his way. Hsiung could easily resolve the situation by deleting the old post. Instead, he chooses to visit the matter day after day, engaging Pilder in tedious administrative dialogue that - by Hsiung's definition of his role here - is intended neither as support, education or therapy.
>
> This is like a person with their radio turned up too loud. They may know it annoys others, but that local enforcement agencies will do nothing about the marginal annoyance. Rather than do the neighborly thing and turn down the radio, the bully acts as if his privilege of blasting his own sound trumps another person's right, need or desire for reasonably serene repose.
>
> And so, year after year, Hsiung continues to defend his arbitrary choice as if it somehow matters to anything other than his own construct of who he is - an alpha dog with a terminal degree and an exclusive license.
>
> He has implied that yielding to Pilders' simple request would leave him vulnerable to future requests that he remove content from his self-styled publication. So what? He has time and again been arbitrary and capricious in how he applies policy, each time arguing that his administration is systematic and judicious, then as often as not retreating from one hastily constructed argument to the safety of a newly constructed - equally arbitrary -- argument as defense for his arbitrary, capricious experimentation ... experimentation he conducts outside the protective context of any professional community that could provide a check-and-balance to or second opinion of his self-directed conduct.
>
> Just do the humane thing, Robert. If you know this particular post causes this particular poster anxiety, delete it. Why rub his nose in your refusal day after day when it is your apparent opinion he is incapable of not returning to the matter because you believe he suffers from an anxiety that repeatedly draws him to this matter? So what if it means others might some day ask you to delete something? Maybe you should. To refuse with the tenacity, persistence and extreme attention to process you demonstrate suggests a possible psychopathology on your part - some sort of obsessive-compulsive, borderline narcissistic personality disorder.
>
> Your little Web site and your little self-made rules are not nearly as important to the world as you seem to believe, and a trained, licensed psychiatric doctor should well understand that these some of these anxiety-inducing stimuli you insist on preserving in the attractive nuisance you call Psychobabble are harmful. Do no harm. Dammit. Heal thyself, physician. Grow up. Delete the damned post and move on.Bryte,
Here is another post that allows the poster to post anti-Semitic propaganda in a link. The link goes to Matthew 27 which has anti-Semitic propaganda as in Matthew 27 in particular but not limited to verse 25 and its proximate preceding verses. Here is a link to an article explaining those verse as to being anti-Semitic propaganda.
To see this article bring up Google and type in:
[ Jamestabor.com, bloodguilt ]
You will see,[ The top 7 Fateful ] as the title of the article
What I am requesting is that you , or anyone else, go to the post where myself and Mr. Hsiung are in discussion concerning that post and post your perspective concerning the post being allowed to stand here as that the link to Matthew 27 is offered by the poster in the post.
Mr. Hsiung provided that poster a venue to post anti-Semitic propaganda in a link provided that when Mr. Hsiung or one of his deputies asked for the link to be revised, the poster posted something else that omitted the anti-Semitic propaganda, but the original link would still be allowed to be actuated by readers.
There could be many consequences to Jews IMHO as a result of readers seeing the post with its link to anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record as a result that it stands un repudiated by them, so readers could know that MR. Hsiung states that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times and could think that hatred toward the Jews is supportive here in their thinking.
Could you post from your perspective concerning this ongoing situation, as I see that you have some insight into this?
Here is a link to the post that contains the link to the post in question that cites Matthew 27.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20140902/msgs/1072744.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2014, at 8:33:44
In reply to Lou's request to Bryte-top7Matt27 » Bryte, posted by Lou Pilder on October 25, 2014, at 8:26:53
> > What nonsense. What a big bully. Hsiung says he recognizes Pilder's long standing concern about a particular post to be symptomatic of anxiety. The post serves no purpose to anybody - other than as an icon to Hsiung in his personal psychodrama to prove to his audience that he can have his way. Hsiung could easily resolve the situation by deleting the old post. Instead, he chooses to visit the matter day after day, engaging Pilder in tedious administrative dialogue that - by Hsiung's definition of his role here - is intended neither as support, education or therapy.
> >
> > This is like a person with their radio turned up too loud. They may know it annoys others, but that local enforcement agencies will do nothing about the marginal annoyance. Rather than do the neighborly thing and turn down the radio, the bully acts as if his privilege of blasting his own sound trumps another person's right, need or desire for reasonably serene repose.
> >
> > And so, year after year, Hsiung continues to defend his arbitrary choice as if it somehow matters to anything other than his own construct of who he is - an alpha dog with a terminal degree and an exclusive license.
> >
> > He has implied that yielding to Pilders' simple request would leave him vulnerable to future requests that he remove content from his self-styled publication. So what? He has time and again been arbitrary and capricious in how he applies policy, each time arguing that his administration is systematic and judicious, then as often as not retreating from one hastily constructed argument to the safety of a newly constructed - equally arbitrary -- argument as defense for his arbitrary, capricious experimentation ... experimentation he conducts outside the protective context of any professional community that could provide a check-and-balance to or second opinion of his self-directed conduct.
> >
> > Just do the humane thing, Robert. If you know this particular post causes this particular poster anxiety, delete it. Why rub his nose in your refusal day after day when it is your apparent opinion he is incapable of not returning to the matter because you believe he suffers from an anxiety that repeatedly draws him to this matter? So what if it means others might some day ask you to delete something? Maybe you should. To refuse with the tenacity, persistence and extreme attention to process you demonstrate suggests a possible psychopathology on your part - some sort of obsessive-compulsive, borderline narcissistic personality disorder.
> >
> > Your little Web site and your little self-made rules are not nearly as important to the world as you seem to believe, and a trained, licensed psychiatric doctor should well understand that these some of these anxiety-inducing stimuli you insist on preserving in the attractive nuisance you call Psychobabble are harmful. Do no harm. Dammit. Heal thyself, physician. Grow up. Delete the damned post and move on.
>
> Bryte,
> Here is another post that allows the poster to post anti-Semitic propaganda in a link. The link goes to Matthew 27 which has anti-Semitic propaganda as in Matthew 27 in particular but not limited to verse 25 and its proximate preceding verses. Here is a link to an article explaining those verse as to being anti-Semitic propaganda.
> To see this article bring up Google and type in:
> [ Jamestabor.com, bloodguilt ]
> You will see,[ The top 7 Fateful ] as the title of the article
> What I am requesting is that you , or anyone else, go to the post where myself and Mr. Hsiung are in discussion concerning that post and post your perspective concerning the post being allowed to stand here as that the link to Matthew 27 is offered by the poster in the post.
> Mr. Hsiung provided that poster a venue to post anti-Semitic propaganda in a link provided that when Mr. Hsiung or one of his deputies asked for the link to be revised, the poster posted something else that omitted the anti-Semitic propaganda, but the original link would still be allowed to be actuated by readers.
> There could be many consequences to Jews IMHO as a result of readers seeing the post with its link to anti-Semitic propaganda allowed to be seen as supportive by Mr. Hsiung and his deputies of record as a result that it stands un repudiated by them, so readers could know that MR. Hsiung states that being supportive takes precedence and that posters are to be civil at all times and could think that hatred toward the Jews is supportive here in their thinking.
> Could you post from your perspective concerning this ongoing situation, as I see that you have some insight into this?
> Here is a link to the post that contains the link to the post in question that cites Matthew 27.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20140902/msgs/1072744.html
corrected link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1072744.html
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 25, 2014, at 23:36:12
In reply to Lou's reply- Th Hsiung-Pilder discussion-the link, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:54:42
> Here is another post that has contained in it what many include as anti-Semitic propaganda.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/652741.html
> The poster offers a link that goes to Matthew 27. The entire passage has been used historically by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder as attempting to justify their hatred toward the Jews from verses in that chapter.
The verses the poster linked to were 52 and 53. But the verse you object to is 25? How could that be used to justify hatred toward Jews? I'm afraid I'm missing something. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2014, at 6:19:22
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 25, 2014, at 23:36:12
> > Here is another post that has contained in it what many include as anti-Semitic propaganda.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/652741.html
>
> > The poster offers a link that goes to Matthew 27. The entire passage has been used historically by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder as attempting to justify their hatred toward the Jews from verses in that chapter.
>
> The verses the poster linked to were 52 and 53. But the verse you object to is 25? How could that be used to justify hatred toward Jews? I'm afraid I'm missing something. Thanks,
>
> BobMr Hsiung,
Let us read the following article:
Lou Pilder
To see this, pull up Google and type in:
[ jdstone.org, in the new testament ]
usually first
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2014, at 10:26:00
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-matt27:25 » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2014, at 6:19:22
> > > Here is another post that has contained in it what many include as anti-Semitic propaganda.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/652741.html
> >
> > > The poster offers a link that goes to Matthew 27. The entire passage has been used historically by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder as attempting to justify their hatred toward the Jews from verses in that chapter.
> >
> > The verses the poster linked to were 52 and 53. But the verse you object to is 25? How could that be used to justify hatred toward Jews? I'm afraid I'm missing something. Thanks,
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> Let us read the following article:
> Lou Pilder
> To see this, pull up Google and type in:
> [ jdstone.org, in the new testament ]
> usually firstMr Hsiung,
You wrote,[...the verses the poster linked to were verses 52 1nd 53 But the verse you object to is 25? How could that be used to justify hatred toward the Jews?..].
There are two issues here from what I see in what you have posted here to me and then others could see them also.
One issue is how is the verse 25 used to justify hatred toward the Jews. I posted one way to see an article here concerning that, and here is another one that could explain how the verse has been used historically to justify hatred toward the Jews by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder of the Jews.
To see this article, pull up Google and type in:
[ jemestabor.com, top-seven-fateful ]
(usually first)
Now the second aspect of what you wrote to me here is concerning that you wrote,[...the verses the poster linked to were verses 52 and 53. But the verse you object to is 25?
A subset of readers could think that from what you have written to me here could constitute {evasion} by you because of your use of the question mark and that I posted that verse 25 was {in particular, but not limited to}, a verse in question that could constitute anti-Semitic propaganda as the entire passage has been used historically to persecute the Jews and justify in those people's minds mass-murder of the Jews. There are many other verses in that chapter that I also object to you and your deputies of record allowing to be seen as supportive here due to that the post stands without repudiation from any of you where it is originally posted.
And if you are trying to lead readers to think that because the poster used a highlight for 2 of the verses, while posting the entire chapter, that by doing so the other verse have immunity from sanction, a subset of readers could think that you could be misleading other readers because you have already stated that by citing some verse in a passage, that does not give immunity from sanction to the other verses that could be un supportive.
You and your deputies of record have provided a venue here to post anti-Semitic propaganda in a link as long as the poster posts another statement with the anti-Semitic propaganda omitted per your request to {please revise that} and the original link with the anti-Semitic propaganda remains to be seen as posted. The poster could do that over and over and in this case here, none of you and your deputies of record asked the poster to revise the anti-Semitic propaganda in the link. And worse, if you are attempting to lead others to think that posters can post anti-Semitic propaganda to remain without you asking to it being revised by highlighting specific verses in a whole passage posted, the subset of readers that think that you are using {evasion} here, have a rational basis to think that readers could be misled because you have already posted that highlighting one verse in an entire passage does not give immunity from being told to revise the other verses that could be un supportive in the passage posted in the link:
To see this link by you for that, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
[ faith, 426467 ]
Lou PIlder
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2014, at 19:57:43
In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-mihzld, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2014, at 10:26:00
> > > > Here is another post that has contained in it what many include as anti-Semitic propaganda.
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/652741.html
> > >
> > > > The poster offers a link that goes to Matthew 27. The entire passage has been used historically by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder as attempting to justify their hatred toward the Jews from verses in that chapter.
> > >
> > > The verses the poster linked to were 52 and 53. But the verse you object to is 25? How could that be used to justify hatred toward Jews? I'm afraid I'm missing something. Thanks,
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > Let us read the following article:
> > Lou Pilder
> > To see this, pull up Google and type in:
> > [ jdstone.org, in the new testament ]
> > usually first
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...the verses the poster linked to were verses 52 1nd 53 But the verse you object to is 25? How could that be used to justify hatred toward the Jews?..].
> There are two issues here from what I see in what you have posted here to me and then others could see them also.
> One issue is how is the verse 25 used to justify hatred toward the Jews. I posted one way to see an article here concerning that, and here is another one that could explain how the verse has been used historically to justify hatred toward the Jews by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder of the Jews.
> To see this article, pull up Google and type in:
> [ jemestabor.com, top-seven-fateful ]
> (usually first)
> Now the second aspect of what you wrote to me here is concerning that you wrote,[...the verses the poster linked to were verses 52 and 53. But the verse you object to is 25?
> A subset of readers could think that from what you have written to me here could constitute {evasion} by you because of your use of the question mark and that I posted that verse 25 was {in particular, but not limited to}, a verse in question that could constitute anti-Semitic propaganda as the entire passage has been used historically to persecute the Jews and justify in those people's minds mass-murder of the Jews. There are many other verses in that chapter that I also object to you and your deputies of record allowing to be seen as supportive here due to that the post stands without repudiation from any of you where it is originally posted.
> And if you are trying to lead readers to think that because the poster used a highlight for 2 of the verses, while posting the entire chapter, that by doing so the other verse have immunity from sanction, a subset of readers could think that you could be misleading other readers because you have already stated that by citing some verse in a passage, that does not give immunity from sanction to the other verses that could be un supportive.
> You and your deputies of record have provided a venue here to post anti-Semitic propaganda in a link as long as the poster posts another statement with the anti-Semitic propaganda omitted per your request to {please revise that} and the original link with the anti-Semitic propaganda remains to be seen as posted. The poster could do that over and over and in this case here, none of you and your deputies of record asked the poster to revise the anti-Semitic propaganda in the link. And worse, if you are attempting to lead others to think that posters can post anti-Semitic propaganda to remain without you asking to it being revised by highlighting specific verses in a whole passage posted, the subset of readers that think that you are using {evasion} here, have a rational basis to think that readers could be misled because you have already posted that highlighting one verse in an entire passage does not give immunity from being told to revise the other verses that could be un supportive in the passage posted in the link:
> To see this link by you for that, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> [ faith, 426467 ]
> Lou PIlderthe corrected link can be actuated by going to Google and typing in:
[ jamestabor.com, top-seven-fateful ]
Lou
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2014, at 22:55:00
In reply to corected link-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-tabor, posted by Lou Pilder on October 26, 2014, at 19:57:43
> > > To see this, pull up Google and type in:
> > > [ jdstone.org, in the new testament ]
> > > usually first
>
> the corrected link can be actuated by going to Google and typing in:
> [ jamestabor.com, top-seven-fateful ]I'd rather not go to another site. Could you summarize the idea for me? Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 27, 2014, at 10:29:14
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 26, 2014, at 22:55:00
> > > > To see this, pull up Google and type in:
> > > > [ jdstone.org, in the new testament ]
> > > > usually first
> >
> > the corrected link can be actuated by going to Google and typing in:
> > [ jamestabor.com, top-seven-fateful ]
>
> I'd rather not go to another site. Could you summarize the idea for me? Thanks,
>
> Bob
Mr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...I'd rather not go to another site...].
I am unsure as to why you would not want to read what is in that article from that other site. If you could post answers to the following, then I could post my response to you.
True or false:
A. I already know, Lou, what the other site says
B. I can evade responding to your request, Lou, for me to examine what could be the anti-Semitic propaganda in the link in question by you, by asking you to summarize what is in the link to the other site because you can not do that due to my prohibitions to you that prevent you from posting the historical accusations toward the Jews used in anti-Semitic propaganda.
C. It will be good for the community as a whole in my thinking, Lou, for me to not read what is in that site because if I did, then I would know the answer to the question that I asked you here, Lou, and then I might have to act on the anti-Semitic propaganda that the site that you offer to go to could expose.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on October 28, 2014, at 23:45:57
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-tuklkz » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 27, 2014, at 10:29:14
> > I'd rather not go to another site. Could you summarize the idea for me?
>
> I am unsure as to why you would not want to read what is in that article from that other site.And I'm unsure why you don't want to summarize it.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on October 30, 2014, at 15:24:56
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 28, 2014, at 23:45:57
> > > I'd rather not go to another site. Could you summarize the idea for me?
> >
> > I am unsure as to why you would not want to read what is in that article from that other site.
>
> And I'm unsure why you don't want to summarize it.
>
> Bob
>
Mr. Hsiung,
The reason that I can not post a summery as that you have requested, is because to post such would have me need to post what I am prevented from posting here due to your prohibitions posted to me here.
Lou Pilder
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2014, at 9:58:07
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2014, at 2:05:14
> > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
>
> That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
>
> which is the post with the link to John 5.
>
> --
>
> > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> >
> > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
>
> True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
>
> > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
>
> True, they could think my real intent is different.
>
> --
>
> > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> >
> > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
>
> True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
>
> You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote that you are not responding to all of your notifications because,{I consider the outcomes you fear, (Lou), to be unlikely}
A subset of readers could think that is a lie. They could have a rational basis to think that if they have seen that you posted,[..if posters see me not respond to you then they themselves may not respond to you].
Another subset of readers could think that what you wrote about me is a call for members to shun me as your reason for not responding to my years of notifications that my reminders posted here show that you have not acted on those notifications as you say that you will to notifications for others as I am listed by you as the only exception to your drafted rule here as those readers could have a rational basis to think that by those readers thinking that you are advocating members to shun me, that could stigmatize me here which could cause those subsets of readers to have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me that could reduce the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held. The result of what you have posted here about me could mislead a subset of readers to think that anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive by you and your deputies of record as long as Matthew 27 is allowed to be seen as supportive and {No non-Christian will...} also be allowed to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted with out your tagline to please be civil, along with many other posts that I have not presented here yet in this discussion that could arouse antisemitic feelings here on the basis that anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking and that you have posted that being supportive takes precedence and that anti-Semitism is not civil and that posters are to be civil at all times and that the mission of the forum id guided by the Golden Rule.
As to what the outcomes could result of allowing anti-Semitic statements to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record as being the criteria that you all used to allow anti-Semitic statements and defamation against me to be seen as supportive by you, a subset of readers could think that if that is your policy, then your standard for my notifications to be responded to is different from the standard in your TOS/FAQ or others, which could have a subset of readers think that you are using discrimination against me, which is an abuse of power, to foster anti-Semitic hate and defamation here by the concept of {two standards}, one for the community in your TOS, and one for the Jew here, myself. And those readers that see the defamation being allowed to be seen as supportive against me here by you and your deputies of record, along with the antisemetic statements being allowed to be seen as supportive, could conclude logically that it is your intent to inflict emotional distress upon me by me being the recipient of defamation and allowing the Jews to be defamed along with that. Those readers have a rational basis to think that because it is your rule not to post anything that could lead one to feel accused or put down and the accusations against the Jews are being allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking and I guess the thinking of your deputies of record since you say that any response (or omission) come from all of you.
The accusations against the Jews in question go to all Jews, not just me as a Jew here. I consider that you can perpetuate the ancient hatred toward the Jews by refusing to post some sort of repudiation to the posts that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings here, because a subset of readers could think that you could open the posts in question and add some tagline to show that the community does not consider the statements in question to be supportive. I think that would not be sanctioning, but clarifying, which IMHO would not cause you to go against your self-made rule to not sanction what is in a post that is archived. And anyway, a subset of readers could think that I did send you a notification and you did not respond to it which allowed the post to be archived without responding to me. So with that, I am asking you now to go to the posts in question and open them up and add to the post something like:
operator's note:
Be advised that what is posted here about the Jews does not reflect the posting policies here and is against the mission of the forum that is for support and the Golden Rule. If anyone here after reading got the idea that Jews or Islamic people or any others are inferior to Christians or that Judaism and other faiths are being defamed by the statement in question, you do have a rightful objection to that me and my deputies of record allowed the statements in question to be seen as supportive in our thinking.
We are now going to allow members to post links to the posts that you think are defaming to Jews and others, and we will remove the posts in question promptly along with any posts in the thread that relate to them.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1050356.html
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2014, at 16:45:23
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2014, at 2:05:14
> > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
>
> That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
>
> which is the post with the link to John 5.
>
> --
>
> > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
> >
> > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
>
> True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
>
> > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
>
> True, they could think my real intent is different.
>
> --
>
> > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
> >
> > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
>
> True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
>
> You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...a deputy did sanction that post...].
I say not. I have a rational basis to think that the post was not sanctioned by the deputy because it is my understanding that for something to be a sanction, there needs to be a threatened penalty, of which there is not by the deputy. The deputy did not follow the script in the allowing of the anti-Semitism to be seen in a link, {provided that the deputy asks for the post to be revised}, of which there is no request from the deputy to revise the link. And worse, there are numerous anti-Semitic statements in the link, not just verse 16. By the deputy not following the venue that you created for the poster to post links with anti-Semitic content, the poster could continue with impunity to post more links with antisemitic propaganda which had the link to Matt 27 to follow, which had no request at all from you or a deputy to revise the link.
And worse, by the deputy telling the poster not to post such type of statements in a link, the poster went ahead and did it anyway.
A subset of readers could think that your TOS/FAQ is a sham by having a rational basis to think that because your TOS states that you use the Golden Rule in what you do and that you try to be fair, which those readers consider to include equal treatment and equal protection provided by your rules here which I am denied by you by your not responding to my notifications which allows the posts with anti-Semitic content that I have alerted you about, to be archived where you give them by your self- made rule,impunity from sanction.
Let there be no misunderstanding here. The forum is for support, and anti-Semitism posted here is not supportive by me. You could open that post and type in something like:
Operator's note:
Be advised that we do not validate the antisemitic propaganda seen in the link to John 5 as in verse 16 and others. We will be removing all of the anti-Semitic content posted here and it will be an undertaking requiring some time. If you could help us to do the removing, please send us the link to the post and we will appreciate it.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou Pilder
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 11, 2014, at 14:05:25
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-tehykowt » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on November 4, 2014, at 16:45:23
> > > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
>
> I say not. I have a rational basis to think that the post was not sanctioned by the deputy because it is my understanding that for something to be a sanction, there needs to be a threatened penalty, of which there is not by the deputy.I guess we have different understandings of "sanction". But reasonable people can disagree.
Bob
Posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2014, at 8:30:31
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on November 11, 2014, at 14:05:25
> > > > > a deputy did sanction that post:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
> >
> > I say not. I have a rational basis to think that the post was not sanctioned by the deputy because it is my understanding that for something to be a sanction, there needs to be a threatened penalty, of which there is not by the deputy.
>
> I guess we have different understandings of "sanction". But reasonable people can disagree.
>
> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote,[...we have different understandings of "sanction"...].
That is correct. But your rules here say that there is a factor as to what an understanding of a word is to be held here. And that is the definition used by the Webster dictionary.
That dictionary says that a sanction has a threat of a penalty. In the case at hand, the deputy did not post a threat of a penalty to the poster of the antisemitic propaganda in the link. This allowed the poster to go on and on posting other links with antisemitic poropaganda of which in the link to Matt 27 there is no mention from you or your deputies of record to revise the link as you have encouraged the same poster to post links with antismitism with impunity as long as the poster posted what you say is a revision to what is in the link even though the original link is not revised. That allows the antisemitic propaganda to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record.
I am asking you ,today, to go to that post with the link to John 5 and the post with the link to Matt 27 and open the link up and type right in the post something like:
owner's note:
Be advised that the antisemitic propaganda that can be seen in the offered link is not supportive and will not be good for this community as a whole for the ancient hatred toward the Jews to be allowed here to be seen as if we validate the antisemitic hate. But we have made a rule for ourselves to allow it to be seen as civil, since there is no sanction from us to the antisemitic propaganda. We realize that there could be a subset of readers that could take it to be supportive and act out violence and even murder to Jews as a result of seeing that a psychiatrist with up to 6 deputies have allowed the antisemitic ptopaganda to be seen as supportive by us and that we will not respond to notifications from a Jewish poster here, because our policy is that being supportive takes precdence and posters are to be civil at all times. By us leaving the antisemitic propaganda unsanctioned, you may want to leave this site and go to another forum where Jews are not allowed to be put down or accused and where posters are not to post what could lead one to feel that their faith is being put down.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou PIlder
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