Posted by Lou Pilder on November 2, 2014, at 9:58:07
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on October 23, 2014, at 2:05:14
> > > a deputy did sanction that post:
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> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
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> > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
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> That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
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> which is the post with the link to John 5.
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> > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
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> > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
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> True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
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> > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
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> True, they could think my real intent is different.
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> > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
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> > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
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> True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
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> You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote that you are not responding to all of your notifications because,{I consider the outcomes you fear, (Lou), to be unlikely}
A subset of readers could think that is a lie. They could have a rational basis to think that if they have seen that you posted,[..if posters see me not respond to you then they themselves may not respond to you].
Another subset of readers could think that what you wrote about me is a call for members to shun me as your reason for not responding to my years of notifications that my reminders posted here show that you have not acted on those notifications as you say that you will to notifications for others as I am listed by you as the only exception to your drafted rule here as those readers could have a rational basis to think that by those readers thinking that you are advocating members to shun me, that could stigmatize me here which could cause those subsets of readers to have hostile and disagreeable opinions and feelings toward me that could reduce the respect, regard and confidence in which I am held. The result of what you have posted here about me could mislead a subset of readers to think that anti-Semitism is considered to be supportive by you and your deputies of record as long as Matthew 27 is allowed to be seen as supportive and {No non-Christian will...} also be allowed to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted with out your tagline to please be civil, along with many other posts that I have not presented here yet in this discussion that could arouse antisemitic feelings here on the basis that anti-Semitic propaganda is being allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking and that you have posted that being supportive takes precedence and that anti-Semitism is not civil and that posters are to be civil at all times and that the mission of the forum id guided by the Golden Rule.
As to what the outcomes could result of allowing anti-Semitic statements to be seen as supportive by you and your deputies of record as being the criteria that you all used to allow anti-Semitic statements and defamation against me to be seen as supportive by you, a subset of readers could think that if that is your policy, then your standard for my notifications to be responded to is different from the standard in your TOS/FAQ or others, which could have a subset of readers think that you are using discrimination against me, which is an abuse of power, to foster anti-Semitic hate and defamation here by the concept of {two standards}, one for the community in your TOS, and one for the Jew here, myself. And those readers that see the defamation being allowed to be seen as supportive against me here by you and your deputies of record, along with the antisemetic statements being allowed to be seen as supportive, could conclude logically that it is your intent to inflict emotional distress upon me by me being the recipient of defamation and allowing the Jews to be defamed along with that. Those readers have a rational basis to think that because it is your rule not to post anything that could lead one to feel accused or put down and the accusations against the Jews are being allowed to be seen as supportive and will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking and I guess the thinking of your deputies of record since you say that any response (or omission) come from all of you.
The accusations against the Jews in question go to all Jews, not just me as a Jew here. I consider that you can perpetuate the ancient hatred toward the Jews by refusing to post some sort of repudiation to the posts that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings here, because a subset of readers could think that you could open the posts in question and add some tagline to show that the community does not consider the statements in question to be supportive. I think that would not be sanctioning, but clarifying, which IMHO would not cause you to go against your self-made rule to not sanction what is in a post that is archived. And anyway, a subset of readers could think that I did send you a notification and you did not respond to it which allowed the post to be archived without responding to me. So with that, I am asking you now to go to the posts in question and open them up and add to the post something like:
operator's note:
Be advised that what is posted here about the Jews does not reflect the posting policies here and is against the mission of the forum that is for support and the Golden Rule. If anyone here after reading got the idea that Jews or Islamic people or any others are inferior to Christians or that Judaism and other faiths are being defamed by the statement in question, you do have a rightful objection to that me and my deputies of record allowed the statements in question to be seen as supportive in our thinking.
We are now going to allow members to post links to the posts that you think are defaming to Jews and others, and we will remove the posts in question promptly along with any posts in the thread that relate to them.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1050356.html
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1050116
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1073106.html