Posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:50:54
In reply to Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-gnurul? » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on October 23, 2014, at 11:20:50
> > > > a deputy did sanction that post:
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> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656375.html
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> > > What the deputy sanctioned is shown as in the link that you posted here which is a different post. That post does not offer a link to John 5. If you click on the link that you offered here as that you say the deputy sanctioned, there is not an offered link at all.
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> > That link is to the post by the deputy. It's in reply to:
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20051105/msgs/656322.html
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> > which is the post with the link to John 5.
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> > > > > 1. My policy is not to sanction archived posts.
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> > > But your policy is that being supportive takes precedence. And you say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole.
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> > True, I think not sanctioning archived posts is good for this community as a whole.
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> > > A subset of readers could think that leaving anti-Semitic propaganda to be seen as supportive will be good for this community as a whole in your thinking.
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> > True, they could think my real intent is different.
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> > > > 2. I'm not responding to all of your notifications because I consider the outcomes you fear to be unlikely. I am responding to you in this thread because I value your point of view and don't want to dismiss your concerns.
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> > > readers could have a rational basis to think that what you wrote is a lie because you have posted your reason for not responding to the notifications that my reminders posted here show, which span years. You gave your reason as that it would be good for you and the community as a whole to do so. That is different from that you now say that you do not respond to those notifications from me because you consider the outcomes by me to be unlikely.
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> > True, they're different, but I think not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole.
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> > You know, I didn't like having a policy (making your notifications an exception) that was personal. My policy is not to have policies that are personal. But you've successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general (impersonal) policy. I feel better. Thanks, Lou.
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> > Bob
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> Mr. Hsiung,
> You wrote,[...My policy is to not have policies that are personal. But you have successfully pushed me to articulate my rationale, and therefore a general policy. I feel better.Thanks, Lou...].
> By articulating your rationale, as I see what you have posted here as, {...I think that by not responding to every fear of an unlikely outcome is good for this community as a whole...} to be your rationale, I find that what you have posted as your rationale here, if what I have put in the brackets here is your rationale, to not in any way whatsoever in my thinking, make what you wrote to change what you say is a {personal policy} to a general policy. My rational basis for thinking that is because your policy that you used me in is:
> [...When I'm notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster that notified me. One exception is that right now it may be good for this community as a whole, and for me, to leave some of Lou's notifications outstanding...].
> Your stated rationale for leaving my notifications outstanding is that it may be good for you and the community as a whole to do so.
> Let us look at what you have written:
> A. When I am notified of posts, I'm enforcing existing rules and responding either on the board or to the poster who notified me.
> There are no exceptions listed by you there. You see, the notifications are what a poster thinks in that existing rules are not being applied to a statement so you could be alerted to apply your rules. As to the poster having a fear, let's say, that by you allowing an anti-Semitic statement to be seen as supportive and then alerts you by using your procedure to apply your rule, your policy is to then either respond on the board enforcing the rule of yours or notifying the poster that sent the notification. My reminders show that neither was done by you or any of your deputies of record. These reminders span years, way before you posted that some of my notifications you would leave outstanding, as me being the only person the exception is for.
> B. As far as that you say that it will be good for you and the community as a whole to not respond to my notifications, that could mean to a subset of readers that you are creating n anti-Semitic policy for yourself and this community to deny me the use of your own procedure to have anti-Semitic statements addressed by using the notification procedure that you admit you are denying me to use as I am the only exception. And since you have not allowed me to have equal protection of your rules and policies, then those subsets of readers that understand that anti-Semitism can be developed in a community by discriminating against the Jewish person in regards to having a policy that denies the Jew equality in the rules, a subset of readers could think that anti-Semitism is supportive in your thinking because by you denying me the equal protection of your rules in relation to you not responding to my notifications, the anti-Semitic statements could then go into the archives where you say that you will not sanction them there. But it is you and your deputies of record that allowed them to be archived by not responding to my notifications when you and those deputies or record could have done so if they wanted to. But by years of not responding to my notifications, a pattern can be deduced as to the intent of you and your deputies of record by those that understand how motive can be deduced from what is in the record.
> Your articulated rationale as I see it, purports that you are responding to fears by me in some way if you respond to my notifications and therefore you can not respond. I do not consider that making your personal policy into a general policy, but just some type of justification that you are wanting to use to justify discrimination in the applying of your rules, which is an abuse of power. You see, it has not be good for communities as a whole in the historical record to leave defamation against people and anti-Semitic and ant-Islamic propaganda to be seen as supportive, and as here, where it is originally posted so I see no reason for your community to somehow be improved by you allowing insults and hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and others and defamation toward me to be seen as supportive where it is originally posted.
> I think that if you went to the post where {no non-Christian...}is posted and opened it up and you typed right there in the post by the poster and addendum like an editor's note, something like:
> operator's note:
> be advised that we do not consider the statement, [no non-Christian will...] to be supportive and I have a self-made policy that if I sanction a statement in a post, I can leave another unsupportive statement to stand so that the poster doesn't feel to bad. This may mean that some readers could think that I am allowing their faith to be seen as being put down and insulted by a third -party and could have a rational basis to think that because my rule is not to post anything that could lead someone to feel put down....].
> Now if you were to take remedial steps like I have outlined here for that post, then the fear that I have that Islamic people and Jews and all others that have in their faith that they can enter heaven without being a Christian could think that you are insulting Islam and those faiths by allowing the statement to stand un repudiated, then the fear of those people in those faith becoming victims of anti-Semitic and anti Islamic violence could be alleviated.
> Lou PilderMr. Hsiung,
Here is another post that has contained in it what many include as anti-Semitic propaganda.
The poster offers a link that goes to Matthew 27. The entire passage has been used historically by those that wanted to persecute the Jews and commit mass-murder as attempting to justify their hatred toward the Jews from verses in that chapter.
The link stands today being allowed to be seen as supportive by you and all of your deputies of record. In order for my fear of a subset of readers taking the passage as thinking that you want it to remain to be seen as supportive, I am asking that you open the post and type in right in the post itself something like:
operator's note:
Be advised that we do not consider what is written about the Jews in the offered link to Matthew 27, including but not limited to verse 25, to be supportive. We all gave this poster a venue to post anti-Semitic propaganda so long as the poster posted another statement that did not contain the anti-Semitic propaganda after we asked the poster to revise the link. Here we did not ask the poster to post a revision of what is in the link so a subset of readers could think that we want to advance anti-Semitism here by allowing the passage that is considered by Jews and many others to be anti-Semitic propaganda, such as but nut limited to,[...his blood be...]as in verse 25 to be seen as supportive.
"Dr. Bob and his deputies"
Lou PIlder
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1050116
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20140902/msgs/1072743.html