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Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 21:54:49
the courts of nz have decided that what academic freedom means, in nz, is the freedom of the university to shut people down.
it's the freedom of the university to refuse to enrol citizens for non-academic arbitrary reasons.
it's the freedom of the university to refuse to get work to external examiners so as to prevent and prohibit it being examined on it's merit.
it's the freedom of the university to censor anytihng produced by people claiing affiliation.
it's the fredom of the marketing team to write the content that the academics will sign their names to.
it's the freedom to simply not pay the payroll checkes. to invoice additiona fees.
it's alllll about the freedom of the univerity.
they are going to make it be about women and wormen's rights.
yawn.
never human rights. never rights of peresons.
c'mon men on your white horses sticking up for poor poor women with death threates for what the con-munications department okayed to come out of their mouths for the women on staff payroll.
kinds of freedom.
garbage garbelled output. wahoo.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:07:57
In reply to the biggest threat to academic freedom, posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 21:54:49
so...
people got a little sick and tired of ashley bloomfield being the only person with speaking rights...
people also got a little sick and tired of one of the female micro-biologists.
there's this thing they do...
the first one was this lady... she was the daughter of someone important. clearly. she gives ted talks about engineering. never about building. always about smashing. nano-girl. she's supposed to be cool and pretty so that a bunch of girls will be motivated and inspired to pay the university to pay the university to pay the university to pay the university to do a 'cool' degree of engineering... because the university is equal opportunists when it comes to taking people's money, clearly. it doesn't give a sh*t whether the kid is male or female the parents money is all the same...
so then there's bio lady... and her work was highly collaborative during the covid effort. she was a convenient mouth-piece. there was a high medical / science illustrator contributing, at one point, where a picture really was worth more than thousands of words with respect to how face masks and handwashing etc were keeping the numbers of virus particles down...
and she's fat. yeah. and not very attractive. but she's got cool dyed hair which is salient. so she's supposed to be motivating and inspiring for all the kids out there who are fat and not very attractive. she's got them all motivated and inspired to pay or have their parents pay the university pay the university pay the university pay the university so that they can grow up to be.... new zealander of the year. apparently.
and it's convenient... for her... at some point... to have a cry about how people are mean to her and they call her fat. and they call her names because she's a woman...
and her publically crying about this...
makes large segments of nz go 'awwwwwwwww poooooor you' and like her more for it.
disarming.
i mean... she's fairliy much the only person with speaking rights... she gets all the content from the university and government con-munications... she's in the media all the time for the 'party line' message...
pooooor her.
new zealander of the year.
most deprived.
just like the common-man.
it's soooo hard being an academic...
i wrote to her relatively early... about using face masks. at the time when her message was 'they aren't 100 per cent effective therefore no point'. i wrote to her after her message changed to 'underwear or surgical material' to ask her about fit testing in her bio labs. for her students. when they were dealing with infectious matieral... sigh...
she's a mouth-piece.
the biggest threat to academic freedom isn't that people question her because she's female.
the biggest threat to academic freedom is that people say that any critique of her academic freedom (and others academic freedom when they will only pay and give air time to her) is discrination on the basis of her being female.
forcing the issue to be about that.
i love it how the men all write to say teh issue is about her being female.
not about how the men who decide teh issue are all white elite males...
of course.
don't get me wrong i don't suppose they have academic freedom either. i guess they did whatever mummy and daddy paid the university for them to do. and that was an end to it.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:12:49
In reply to Re: the biggest threat to academic freedom, posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:07:57
the illustrations would not have been made in nz, i am fairly sure.
medical or bio-medical or whatever illustration is not a thing.
universities don't offer 'cool and fun' elective courses for things like science or medical or whatever illustration... that's not the kind of thing that we would see any value in, here.
so the messages, clearly, come in from overseas...
eventually.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:16:34
In reply to Re: the biggest threat to academic freedom, posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:12:49
i mean, newspapers and so on still don't credit or acknowledge the photographer or illustrator or artist.
often times 'news' articles don't even state the author.
i think often times con-munications are handed to people universities hire on payroll as academics by the media or con-munications department of the university.
there was this thing i saw briefly mentioned...
something about a university being liable for things stated by the academics on staff. such that the university should be able to censor them. to limit their own liability...
vs the university being able to... deploy people. e.g., the university informing shawn hendy that he was not to be teaching first year bio-mechanics to the medical studnets (who are cheating their course work and examinations) but rather he is to be now employed in a sort of epidemology modelling centre including explaining graphs and the like in the new-shortland-street-1pm-bloomfield-timeslot...
...
i thought he might like to work with rocket lab?
?
?
kinds of academic freedom...
Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:28:18
In reply to Re: the biggest threat to academic freedom, posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:16:34
my understanding is that the source of the 'fat' comment was because the issue was one of whether she was following the lock-down regulations or requirements that were in force at the time.
you were allowed to exercise in your local area.
there had been cases publicised about how it was not okay to put your mountain bike on the back of your car and drive outside your area to then go mountain biking. you needed to ride your bike in your area.
there had also been discussion about how that didn't mean it was time to start running marathons. in other words, it didn't mean it was time to start exercising with a greater range than usual...
you were supposed to be exercising to keep healthy. not as an excuse to get outside your area.
so souxie wiles gets on her ELECTRIC BICYCLE and cycles, for exercise, 5ks away to meet up with her friend at the beach.
and when photos were published of her 5ks away from her house hanging out with her friend on the beach people thought she was a f*ck*ng hypocrit that many new zealanders were not driving 5ks away to get to the f*ck*ng beach and yet here she f*ck*ng was.
to which she cried 'it was a bicycle and that was exercise'
at which point someone or other... likely correctly pointed out... that they didn't belive her fat *ss cycled that distance regularly or as a matter of course.
i mean... finger raises at the traffic lights? i'm sure her lega were moving around sorta kida...
c'mon.
that was the context of the 'fat' comment.
it wasn't that they were meaning to be mean about her weight. they were questioning whether she was having one rule for everyone else and another rule for herself in her own behavior and her own conduct.
making people feel bad about fat shaming her if they didn't think that it was okay for her to be seen with a (heavy) electrical bicycle 5ks away from her house when it was not okay for people to drive the same distance...
she could have said that she cycled (with electrics turned off) in her defense. point is.... nobody thought that that was likely.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:39:36
In reply to the fat comment, posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:28:18
the fat comment was also made by judith collins -- who (as judith collins pointed out herself) is a tad fat.
if people had have been asked to place bets on who they thought would be most likely to push cycle an electric cycle 5ks to the beach... i htink most people would have put their money on... judith collins.
that is to say it wasn't just about the weight. it was about... determination... or something. i mean to say you don't have to be thinnish to cycle regularly, but souxie wilkes just didnt' really strike anybody as a physical exertion kinda gal is really the point there.
and then she sat her *rs* on teh beach while her friend went swimming...
the issue was hypocracy. the fat comment and her being a woman are just side issues. preventing and prohibiting genuine progress from being made on the issue.
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whopi goldberg's comment about the holocaust not being about race but beign about people being horrible to one another... was really interesting to me.
i understand she apologised because people felt offended by it (jewish people felt offended that she said it wasn't about them being a race or being targeted as a race)... and maybe that was... disarming... of her...
but i do think it is a genuine idea worth exploring.
not to take anything away when it comes to acknowledign the horrible way that many jewish people who were jewish were treated especially how they believed that they were targeted because they were jewish people who were jewish specically.
that was sometiems the reason given. i hear that.
but i do think it is really important. and an advance on the dialogue.
i will never know how it is to be so easily or readily identified as a member of a group that is oppressed. i mean.. there maybe markers. my 'poor' clothes or whatever... btu that's different from having a visibly jewish nose or something. it's also different from having a black face.
yeah.
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i don't remember this i apologse for misquoting. i don't know who said it..
first they came for the jews and i did nothing because i was not jewish.
then they came for the people with disability and i did nothing because they did not accuse me of being disabled.
and then they came for me and there was nobody to stand with / for me.first they said the reason why they came for me was because i was fat.
then (even after i lost weight) they said the reason was because i was poor.
then (even after i made some money) they said the reason was because i was black.
then (even after i bleached my skin) they said the reason was now because i was too old.there always will be some reason... some excuse...
for why it is that some people will treat some other people really very veyr horribly indeed.
i don't think you should spend a great deal of time trying to udnersetand their 'reasons'. they aren't reasons. they are excuses. weak pathetic made up ones at that.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:44:58
In reply to Re: the fat comment, posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:39:36
the entire point of the 'reasons' they site is to induce in the listener. acceptance. acceptance of how they are treated for those reasons. and giving up.
whatever seems to effect the listener to give up.
that's the intended target of the reasons or teh words.
is all.
that's an end to it.
trying to control anybody with sensitivity and genuine emotion.
they want robots. they want animals. meat animalsl. going to the slaughter wehn instructed because instructed.
and that's an end to it.
there's no more reason than that.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:54:45
In reply to the fat comment, posted by alexandra_k on April 26, 2022, at 22:28:18
i'm soooooo glad i get to do this all day while lving off my dead mothers inherience because there is no way of life for me in nzl.
i'm sooooo glad i'm such a gamma baby that nz doesn't think i deserve a way of life at all.
really living the dream in these parts.
love what the'yve done with the place. the imported leaders and so on.
harlene hayes - from america.
peter crampton - from england.and so on.
real glory days
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