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Posted by Jai Narayan on April 24, 2005, at 21:45:37
In reply to Re: scarng me now, Damos » sunny10, posted by Damos on April 19, 2005, at 17:34:23
my dear damos, I can't believe I could have been hiding from your lovely call...
If I had been here I would have come out at once and joined in the naughty fun.
so what do we do now?
at your service...
Ja*
Posted by Damos on April 24, 2005, at 22:11:17
In reply to naughty fun...let the games begin...:), posted by Jai Narayan on April 24, 2005, at 21:45:37
You were probably just being shy and all. The only rules are to do whatever it is that makes you truly happy. Very glad you're here with us.
Posted by Susan47 on April 24, 2005, at 22:20:11
In reply to Re: naughty fun...let the games begin...:) » Jai Narayan, posted by Damos on April 24, 2005, at 22:11:17
Do what truly makes me happy? I would grab a warm, sweet, sexy man and cuddle with him under the blankets, facing the fire, spooning you know, naked under the blankets. Feeling the heat and the warmth of each other and the fire. And we would be telling each other lovely, loving, kind and exciting thoughts. Things about the nature of the universe and the meaning of life. I suppose I stopped participating in the game, I'm being lulled by my imaginary lover.
Posted by Damos on April 24, 2005, at 22:25:21
In reply to Re: naughty fun...let the games begin...:), posted by Susan47 on April 24, 2005, at 22:20:11
Warm - nah
Sweet - nah
Sexy - so way, way nahGuess I'm safe then, phew? Might just go climb a tree or something, just in case. Look out Lar.
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 24, 2005, at 22:33:32
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then... » 10derHeart, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 18:50:10
> And I'm sure Damos will give you a push.
>
> Incase anybody knows...
>
> Is it possible to swing right round over the top?
> Or will you get up there in the air and then just splat down again?
> Or is either option somehow prevented?
> I worry about this a lot...You can swing too high, and because the chains are flexible, there is danger in swinging above the horizontal.
A stationary swing is set in motion by moving laterally. The tension of the chain pulls the lateral motion into an arc, and as a result, you get lifted above the starting position. This lift is potential energy, which is really the option for gravity to pull you down again. As you fall down, you pump your legs, and you increase the height of the forward arc. This lifts you higher, and potential energy swings you back again. Kick, swing, kick, swing, and the higher you go.
If you picture being at the maximum height on the backswing, your kinetic energy of motion is completely turned into potential energy (you stop going back, and for an instant, you haven't started going forward yet). At that instant, the force of the chain holding you in the arc is at its minimum. As you start to move forward, your potential energy turns to kinetic energy again, and you pick up speed until you're at the very bottom of the arc. At that point, the force of the chain pulling you in towards the centre (centripetal acceleration is the result of that force) is at a maximum. As you rise forward, kinetic energy again turns to potential energy, and the tension on the chain goes to a minimum again.
The mathematical relationship of the tension on the chain (the inward force that keeps you from flying off in a straight line) varies as a trigonometric function of the angle. At exactly 90 degrees forward motion (true horizontal), your forward motion goes precisely to zero.....and if your kinetic energy goes to zero at exactly that point, you are completely weightless.....for an instant.
The key point to consider is that the tension on the chain also goes to zero at this horizontal extension, if your upwards motion stops too. If you're not moving, it's not pulling you inwards, for that instant, either.
If you go above that critical 90 degree juncture, the chain tension never goes to zero. Instead, it starts pulling you backwards again. If it pulls you backwards while you're still going up, the chain will go slack when gravity starts pulling you back down. You won't be travelling in an arc any more. (Mathematically, you'll follow a secant to the arc.)
When I was a kid, we called that "getting the bumps". The chain sags, and you literally fall free for an instant, until the chain snaps to full tension.
If you are not careful, rising about 3 degrees above the horizontal is sufficient to risk causing you to fall off the swing seat, and as the chains snap taught again, your grip will be broken, and you will tumble off, backwards.
Lar
Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:42:30
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then... » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on April 24, 2005, at 22:33:32
:-(
Well now my nightmares will probably return.
But I was kinda more worried about falling splat on the bar. Like Susan said. Why do guys bikes have that bar? I would have thought it would have hurt a guy even more to go falling on that bar...
Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:43:24
In reply to naughty fun...let the games begin...:), posted by Jai Narayan on April 24, 2005, at 21:45:37
Aw, Jai you missed the skinny dipping.
Still, we could go again if we can lure Susan and Mr XXX out from under that blanket.
Posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:44:47
In reply to Susan's Dumb-*ss guess » alexandra_k, posted by Susan47 on April 24, 2005, at 21:34:54
Tipping cows!
I have never ever done that - but I saw it on the movie Heathers. It looked pretty funny - but I felt bad for the cow.Oh Susan, you are getting me thinking about you know what again...
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 24, 2005, at 22:59:35
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then... » Larry Hoover, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:42:30
> :-(
> Well now my nightmares will probably return.No, really....instinct protects you. That point of zero g's, at true horizontal, is usually enough to trigger the "I think I'm high enough now" feeling. Going a little past that (which can happen when you go from leg extension and back out, to full upright, at the point of furthest forward motion), gives you the feel of zero gravity, and a little freefall. That's where your instincts kick in. Only people without sense for consequences carry on past that.
BTW, it's that motion from full extension to sitting upright that drives you up. It's the same effect as that of a skater pulling in her arms for a spin. Pull the weight closer to the center of the arc, and the velocity increases (and thus, height). It's like shortening the pendulum, while having a longer pendulum's momentum. The only way for the pendulum to accomodate that is to increase the height of the arc.
Enjoy the swings. They're *nearly* foolproof. I.e., only a fool could mess it up.
Lar
Posted by gardenergirl on April 25, 2005, at 6:48:55
In reply to Re: Susan's Dumb-*ss guess » Susan47, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:44:47
Been there, done that. ;)
gg
Posted by sunny10 on April 25, 2005, at 9:03:53
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then... » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on April 24, 2005, at 22:59:35
when I was a kid, I was the skinniest little thing you ever saw.
I looped the swings...but I took gymnastics, too. The trick was that I had to use my legs, walking it across the top against the bar to stop the "chain slack" that Lar was telling you about in order to keep going 'round.
Of course, I was young, and no one had taught me about gravity then, so it was possible and I wasn't afraid. If you don't understand consequences, there IS no fear..
Needless to say, now that I am "old", I can barely swing high enough to get my feet completely off the ground without feeling my stomach drop out...
-sunny10
Posted by Susan47 on April 25, 2005, at 12:36:19
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then... » alexandra_k, posted by Larry Hoover on April 24, 2005, at 22:33:32
Ah, yes, well my brain only got a fraction of that, the teeniest little fraction, you know, but I remember the free-fall down and the sudden jerk.. that was really frightening.
Posted by Susan47 on April 25, 2005, at 12:38:04
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then... » Larry Hoover, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:42:30
EVEN MORE???? omigod, omigod, I'm sure to this day I deformed myself.
Posted by Susan47 on April 25, 2005, at 12:40:02
In reply to Re: Susan's Dumb-*ss guess » Susan47, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:44:47
I was thinking about why I retreated like that, and realized I do that all the time IRL. Having a good time, with others, then bang, the sudden need to shut it all out. But I haven't always been like that. would like to get back to the way it was, you know, endless play. I don't like my serious bent.
Posted by Susan47 on April 25, 2005, at 12:41:33
In reply to How did I miss cow tipping?, posted by gardenergirl on April 25, 2005, at 6:48:55
How do you do it, what happens, and how do the cows get back up? They can't, can they?
Posted by Susan47 on April 25, 2005, at 12:42:48
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then..., posted by sunny10 on April 25, 2005, at 9:03:53
That is scary. I have never ever seen anyone do that. If I'd seen you do that as a child, I would've freaked right out.
Posted by sunny10 on April 25, 2005, at 12:50:06
In reply to Re: Well, come join me on the swings then... » sunny10, posted by Susan47 on April 25, 2005, at 12:42:48
yeah, I guess my friends freaked... I don't remember, really... But I was always the tomboy... I was tiny, and was always picked on for my size; I beat up everybody who teased me just to prove I was "big"...
The swing thing merely "proved to them that I was fearless"...
Sad to think I felt the need to prove myself "worthy" from so early an age...
But,okay, enough... back to the campfire stories- they're more fun...
Anyone hear the one about the killer with the golden arm??? (If you have heard it, tell it to me; I forget it!!!)
sunny-getting old-10
Posted by Damos on April 25, 2005, at 19:26:11
In reply to Re: naughty fun...let the games begin...:), posted by Susan47 on April 24, 2005, at 22:20:11
How are you and Mr Spooner getting on over there, you're awfully quiet.
Posted by Susan47 on April 26, 2005, at 12:33:57
In reply to So Suze, » Susan47, posted by Damos on April 25, 2005, at 19:26:11
I fell asleep. In imaginary, loving arms. It was nice.
Posted by sunny10 on April 26, 2005, at 12:50:30
In reply to Re: So Suze,, posted by Susan47 on April 26, 2005, at 12:33:57
I finally ran out of things to do in the new apt.
It was just me and my cat and the quiet.
I've never actually lived ENTIRELY alone before now that I think about it... even after the divorce, my ex and I had shared custody of our son and he spent half the week with each of us.
It was a very odd, unsettling feeling to be conmpletely alone, with no one "scheduled" to arrive EVER. Weird...
I know I'll get used to it, but I could have used that imaginery lover to chat quietly with and fall asleep with....
I don't even have access to Babble at home...
Posted by Susan47 on April 26, 2005, at 15:23:23
In reply to Re: could have used one last night » Susan47, posted by sunny10 on April 26, 2005, at 12:50:30
I've been alone like that too. Last year when I moved in here was the first time in ten years or so. Actually even then I had my son, I was 26 when he was born, so I did spend nine years completely alone. Well no that's not true because for several months I shared a flat with a girlfriend, at the time. She was, if I may say so please, very loose, sexually. And I kid you not, several nights a week sometimes, there was a different pair of shoes by the door.
I don't know how she survived all that sex with so many diff. guys. Man. It was exhausting just being there, around her. But we did a lot of fun partying.
But I've lived by myself for eight long, looooonnng years, then with my son for another nine. So it's been a struggle, I know what you mean about the suddenly alone, a-l-o-n-e and you have no one but yourself to go to for emotional help and well-being.
I was fortunate, last year, that I had friends to help me through. They moved me, my ex- helped as well, all the children (five) and I had everyone over for supper and then I started having friends over regularly, I didn't care how bad I felt I made those luncheon dates and they call came over one by one, week after week, until I'd entertained everyone, lunches, dinners, you know. And even though it took effort to make calls and keep friends, I did it and now for the first time in my life I feel, I know there're people who care enough about me to help me, and they understand me and can forgive me if they feel I've transgressed.
Whew.
I better go, that was long. Make the effort to reach out and be a friend, and you won't be alone or lonely. Guaranteed. Sometimes I forget that. But not always. I think actually that nowadays, most people forget to reach out. It's too bad. Make the calls and invite them over .. bonus, they usually bring a housewarming gift :)
Posted by Damos on April 26, 2005, at 16:41:45
In reply to Re: So Suze,, posted by Susan47 on April 26, 2005, at 12:33:57
I'm really glad, you just snuggle back down and make the most of it then.
Posted by sunny10 on April 27, 2005, at 8:50:33
In reply to Sunny, posted by Susan47 on April 26, 2005, at 15:23:23
only have three friends in this geographical area...
one is a single mom,
one is a work-aholic mom who has a stay-at-home husband who needs her home when she is not at work
one is an ex-restauntuer who has recently sold his restaurant and is now happily gallivanting around the world.I am in contact with these people (mostly email), but other than the single mom who is making plans to go out with me on Friday nights, there is no one I can "invite" over.
But I am managing... thank goodness for my cat!
Posted by Susan47 on April 27, 2005, at 12:43:31
In reply to Re: Sunny, posted by sunny10 on April 27, 2005, at 8:50:33
As soon as you feel the confidence why don't you make new friends? I made friends in the building I moved into. But I had to be careful because one of them was a man who wanted more, you know? He still does, he's a terrible flirt with me. His eyes, his smile, the things he says .. very obvious, you know what I mean. So I try to avoid him a bit because he's a bit too scary, too strong of a come-on and I'm not attracted to him. But I can see he would be a very good friend, it just wouldn't be fair because he would always be looking for more. I keep my friends same-sex for the most part. I'm lucky though because somehow I just am able to make connections very easily. I don't know why but it is that way. My thing is I always back off, too afraid of being known and there's no real reason that I can understand. So maybe you do the same thing but it's more severe. It's a hell of a hole, I know. I fall into it all the time. It's a matter of keeping yourself available, open, wherever you go and whatever you're doing because your best friend may turn out to be the girl who serves you at Starbucks, the girl behind the counter at the grocery store who smiles and has a conversation with you about her holiday, you know? People generally WANT to make friends.
Posted by Jai Narayan on April 27, 2005, at 22:00:59
In reply to Re: naughty fun...let the games begin...:) » Jai Narayan, posted by alexandra_k on April 24, 2005, at 22:43:24
aw honey I'm always there in the water....
my gawd the water is so special
it's cool blue cast calms my very spirit
how could I refuse a dip with you sweet woman?
my virtual life is celebrated with yours
I am so there for you...
you know it too...
I know you do.
Jai
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