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Posted by Lamdage22 on November 25, 2021, at 15:03:58
So this is when I don't like a third person but I don't feel the dislike myself, but make the one I am talking to feel that dislike? Because I myself don't accept and cant tolerate that dislike?
I heard this process can somehow be used for therapy if the therapist is concious of it. How?
Posted by alexandra_k on November 26, 2021, at 0:35:28
In reply to Projective Identification, posted by Lamdage22 on November 25, 2021, at 15:03:58
I don't know. 20 years ago this stuff was interesting
Posted by alexandra_k on November 26, 2021, at 1:53:34
In reply to Re: Projective Identification, posted by alexandra_k on November 26, 2021, at 0:35:28
Sorry ~~
That's my message for NZL. Not for you.
Here it's all about 'too many chiefs' and people trying to guilt etc other people into... Handing over all their stuff. Or slaving for no pay. Etc. It's all about the money trail in these parts. Those with the money constantly oppressing those without so they keep their money and grow richer... If they can get a handle on how to psychologically abuse people into continuing to slave for them etc etc they are all for it. No low they won't stoop too...
I actually thought that 'projection' was projecting an aspect that could be 'good' or 'bad' crudely. And I thought specifically that 'projective identification' was identifying with good that one had projected. I did not think that projective identification was something whereby people could identify with the bad. I mean... You would want to disown the bad rather than identify with it -- yes?
But it seems that that's not a standard way of viewing projective identification at all. People can projectively identify with bad aspects, too.
I suppose, just thinking now on it... Nazi's, say, want to believe that anyone would have done what they did were they in their position. I suppose any and all abusers want to see and identify with bad things in their victims. So they believe that their victims would do to them what they do to their victims if luck or whatever was different. To justify them doing what they do. Doing what they have done.
That does make sense.
Why are you interested in this?
Posted by alexandra_k on November 26, 2021, at 17:37:13
In reply to Projective Identification, posted by Lamdage22 on November 25, 2021, at 15:03:58
> So this is when I don't like a third person but I don't feel the dislike myself, but make the one I am talking to feel that dislike? Because I myself don't accept and cant tolerate that dislike?
> I heard this process can somehow be used for therapy if the therapist is concious of it. How?
If the therapist finds themself disliking the patient it might be that the patient dislikes the therapist.
The patient might be trying (in the only way they can or know how) to get the therapist to refer them on to somebody else. The decision to refer the patient on or let the patient go might need to be made by the therapist. The patient might need the therapists permission or whatever.
Knowing that, the therapist would then be empowered to...
1) Not feel that it is their unresolved issues as to why they feel dislike for the patient. Appreciate the feeling as information that they got from a communication from the patient.
2) Either refer the patient on -- or else try and create a safe environment for the patient to talk about their feelings - if the patient won't admit to disliking the therapist or therapy.
I think.
What do you think?
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 2, 2021, at 14:00:39
In reply to Re: Projective Identification » Lamdage22, posted by alexandra_k on November 26, 2021, at 17:37:13
I cant follow all the way. Cognitive decline? I havent studied for months. Need this pandemic to end.
Posted by alexandra_k on December 6, 2021, at 4:15:45
In reply to Re: Projective Identification, posted by Lamdage22 on December 2, 2021, at 14:00:39
yeah. i'm not sure i get it, either.
i hope things get better for you, and where you are in the world, soon.
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