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Posted by rianny on November 12, 2003, at 2:01:34
I notice increased anxiety with my vitamin B complex. My multivitamin supplement also contains vitamin B's, but I don't think that makes me anxious. They both are vitamin B's, but don't know why one causes such problem while the other doesn't. Any idea, someone?
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 12, 2003, at 6:46:34
In reply to Get anxious with vitamin B complex, posted by rianny on November 12, 2003, at 2:01:34
> I notice increased anxiety with my vitamin B complex. My multivitamin supplement also contains vitamin B's, but I don't think that makes me anxious. They both are vitamin B's, but don't know why one causes such problem while the other doesn't. Any idea, someone?
Dose? You don't say.
Have you tried taking extra niacinamide?
What form is in the B-complex and multi? Niacin (nicotinic acid), or niacinamide (nicotinamide)?Lar
Posted by Simian on November 12, 2003, at 12:34:50
In reply to Get anxious with vitamin B complex, posted by rianny on November 12, 2003, at 2:01:34
Same things been happening to me recently if I take my B-complex that has 100mg of most of them.
Doesn't happen with my multi though.
Only difference apart from amounts is the complex contains PABA and the multi doesn't.
Posted by rianny on November 13, 2003, at 0:25:03
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?rianny, posted by Larry Hoover on November 12, 2003, at 6:46:34
This is what my B-complex contains:
Vitamin C 300mg
Vitamin B-1 (as Thiamine Mononitrate) 15mg
Vitamin B-2 (as Riboflavin) 10mg
Niacinamide 50mg
Vitamin B-6 (from Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 5mg
Vitamin B-12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 25mcg
Pantothenic Acid (from d-Calcium Pantothenate) 10mg
And this is the multivita contains:Vitamin B-1 (as Thiamine hydrochloride) 2.25mg
Vitamin B-2 (as Riboflavin) 3.2mg
Niacinamide 40mg
Vitamin B-6 (from Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 5mg
Vitamin B-12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 20mcg
Pantothenic Acid (from Calcium Pantothenate) 10mg
It seems like they are the same except B-1 form. Could this difference make such result or it's all in my head?
Posted by jay on November 13, 2003, at 13:02:13
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex » rianny, posted by Larry Hoover on November 12, 2003, at 6:46:34
> > I notice increased anxiety with my vitamin B complex. My multivitamin supplement also contains vitamin B's, but I don't think that makes me anxious. They both are vitamin B's, but don't know why one causes such problem while the other doesn't. Any idea, someone?
>
> Dose? You don't say.
>
> Have you tried taking extra niacinamide?
> What form is in the B-complex and multi? Niacin (nicotinic acid), or niacinamide (nicotinamide)?
>
> Lar
>
>Lar...I came across (sorry..I don't have the reference) an article that states many people have different reactions to the variety of vitamins. One example had to do with higher histamine levels associated with folic acid, or B3 (not sure which one). That, of course, could have drastic effects. I had my first manic episode on B-12 and Folic Acid. B5 keeps me up, and in and out of very odd dreams.
As I have heard, this is where it might be best to try one vitamin or mineral at a time, and work with the ones you tolerate. Same with herbs.
Anyhow..just my .02 cents..
Jay
Posted by rianny on November 13, 2003, at 17:30:50
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?Larry Hoover, posted by jay on November 13, 2003, at 13:02:13
Sigh...it would be really painful to try each vitamins/minerals one at a time. It must be very costly too. So, you are not taking multivitamin/mineral pills?
Posted by jay on November 14, 2003, at 3:30:44
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?jay, posted by rianny on November 13, 2003, at 17:30:50
Hi rianny....well, it does cost a bit more, but in honesty, I have more success with combining herbs and amino acids with my small dose of Prozac and clonazepam. I *always* use about 1/3 or so of the recomended dose of a herb/amino acid to avoid reactions like serotonin syndrome. Right now I use a small bit of 5-HTP and D,L Phenalynine(sp?).
But...back to the vitamins, yes I know it does cost a bit more. But you only have to do it once, and try to do some research on the internet as to which one you think will help. i.e. B6 for sleep. As I mentioned, I can't tolerate folic acid or B-12 mega doses because they cause a manic-like reaction in me.
I'd suggest to explore all of your 'complimentary' medicine options, including both amino acids and various herbs. Even if you took them with a small dose of a med you can tolerate, (Besides the MAOI's...which interact with almost *everything*), I really think you'd be quite surprised. Maybe get a book on the topic from the library, or search around the internet. You will find lots of people having much success.
BTW..are you on any meds...and if so...are you looking to eliminate the side effects and/or boost the medication's power with complimentary suppliments? Let me know...and yes I think this is a good way to use them, hence the word 'complimentary'. Some people seem to think it has to be either/or, but in my basic research, the former 'complimentary' seems to be one of the best strategies.
Anyhow....sorry for yapping on..:-) I hope I can provide some help.
Thanx and best,
Jay
Posted by tealady on November 14, 2003, at 10:15:25
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex, posted by rianny on November 13, 2003, at 0:25:03
> This is what my B-complex contains:
>
> Vitamin C 300mg
> Vitamin B-1 (as Thiamine Mononitrate) 15mg
> Vitamin B-2 (as Riboflavin) 10mg
> Niacinamide 50mg
> Vitamin B-6 (from Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 5mg
> Vitamin B-12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 25mcg
> Pantothenic Acid (from d-Calcium Pantothenate) 10mg
>
>
> And this is the multivita contains:
>
> Vitamin B-1 (as Thiamine hydrochloride) 2.25mg
> Vitamin B-2 (as Riboflavin) 3.2mg
> Niacinamide 40mg
> Vitamin B-6 (from Pyridoxine Hydrochloride) 5mg
> Vitamin B-12 (as Cyanocobalamin) 20mcg
> Pantothenic Acid (from Calcium Pantothenate) 10mg
>
>
> It seems like they are the same except B-1 form. Could this difference make such result or it's all in my head?Is that the total ingredients?
Jan
Posted by rianny on November 14, 2003, at 14:40:50
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?rianny, posted by tealady on November 14, 2003, at 10:15:25
What do you mean by "total ingredients"?
I only mentioned vita B part of Multivita.
Posted by tealady on November 14, 2003, at 18:19:47
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?tealady, posted by rianny on November 14, 2003, at 14:40:50
> What do you mean by "total ingredients"?
> I only mentioned vita B part of Multivita.well I did. The fillers/binders can cause reactions alone. Are they different? Are they even listed?
If not the OTHER ingredients in the Multvita could cause anxiety too.
The best thing you can do I guess is believe in your own observations and just stick to the one that doesn't cause anxiety.
Given the ingredients you listed, I'd GUESS at the mononitrate form of B1 if it was me..only as I've had problems with nitrates recently...anxiety being one of the symptoms. Thiis probably only applies to me though.
Jan
Posted by rianny on November 15, 2003, at 1:01:14
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?tealady ?rianny, posted by tealady on November 14, 2003, at 18:19:47
Oh they have Non-Medicinal Ingredients:
From B Complex:
Dicalcium Phosphate, Hydroxypropyl Methylcelulose, Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide, Carnauba WaxFrom multi-vitamin/mineral:
Dicalcium phosphate, cellulose, vegetable oil powder, croscarmellose sodium, vegetable gade magnesium stearate (lubricant) and coating.
Also, do you know if fish oil or evening primrose oil can cause anxiety? because I'm taking those too.I just bought Effervescent Tablets of vitamin B complex, vitamin C + magnesium, and B1 here is in different form (thiamine monophosphate ester chloride). Maybe I should try this.
Posted by JLx on November 15, 2003, at 5:05:47
In reply to Get anxious with vitamin B complex, posted by rianny on November 12, 2003, at 2:01:34
> I notice increased anxiety with my vitamin B complex. My multivitamin supplement also contains vitamin B's, but I don't think that makes me anxious. They both are vitamin B's, but don't know why one causes such problem while the other doesn't. Any idea, someone?
Here's some food for thought regarding taking a B complex all the time. http://www.acu-cell.com/bx.html
I don't know if that guy knows what he's talking about or not; I'd like to hear other people's opinions as he has much intriguing (if he's right!) info on that site.
The "Acu-cell Diagnostic Test" is listed under Quackwatch's list of "dubious diagnostic tests", but nothing more is said about it. Imo, QW is generally knee jerk anti-everything that is not absolutely mainstream medicine (as if that is utterly benign all the time!) so I take that with a grain of salt.
It sounds to me as if Dr. Roth is a chiropractor and perhaps these tests are being used in chiropractors' offices. If so then perhaps his info has some validity by the accumulation of experience and feedback from patients, if not the test itself.
Posted by rianny on November 15, 2003, at 6:11:15
In reply to Acu-cell site, what do you all think? , posted by JLx on November 15, 2003, at 5:05:47
Well, I think there is no form of nutrition, like Vitamin B complex here for example, can not be perfectly "Good" for us regardless of its amount. I think balance b/w nutritions is also important.
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 15, 2003, at 7:45:33
In reply to Acu-cell site, what do you all think? , posted by JLx on November 15, 2003, at 5:05:47
> Here's some food for thought regarding taking a B complex all the time. http://www.acu-cell.com/bx.html
>
> I don't know if that guy knows what he's talking about or not; I'd like to hear other people's opinions as he has much intriguing (if he's right!) info on that site.My opinion: Sites like this one are scary. There is some fine information in there, mixed in with serious hocus-pocus. Left- and right-sided receptors? Give me a break.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 15, 2003, at 7:49:45
In reply to Acu-cell site, what do you all think? , posted by JLx on November 15, 2003, at 5:05:47
> The "Acu-cell Diagnostic Test" is listed under Quackwatch's list of "dubious diagnostic tests", but nothing more is said about it. Imo, QW is generally knee jerk anti-everything that is not absolutely mainstream medicine (as if that is utterly benign all the time!) so I take that with a grain of salt.I agree about Quackwatch....but, he's right (IMHO) some of the time.... and he's right this time.
The test, as described, is bogus. Totally bogus. As a practitioner using the test method, I could get it to give any results I wanted it to....I've studied the machine itself (or what it seems to be, based on the description).
Lar
Posted by tealady on November 17, 2003, at 14:18:21
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?tealady, posted by rianny on November 15, 2003, at 1:01:14
> Oh they have Non-Medicinal Ingredients:
>
> From B Complex:
> Dicalcium Phosphate, Hydroxypropyl Methylcelulose, Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide, Carnauba Wax
>
> From multi-vitamin/mineral:
> Dicalcium phosphate, cellulose, vegetable oil powder, croscarmellose sodium, vegetable gade magnesium stearate (lubricant) and coating.
>
>
> Also, do you know if fish oil or evening primrose oil can cause anxiety? because I'm taking those too.
>
> I just bought Effervescent Tablets of vitamin B complex, vitamin C + magnesium, and B1 here is in different form (thiamine monophosphate ester chloride). Maybe I should try this.sounds OK
The fillers are reaonable. ..so now you know you can tolerate
Dicalcium Phosphate, Hydroxypropyl Methylcelulose, Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide, Carnauba WaxThe DIFFERENT fillers in the multi vit/min that leaves you anxious cellulose..contained in methylcelulose..so should be OK for you
, vegetable oil powder..probably OK
, croscarmellose sodium, .... probably OK..unsure
and coating...could possibly be a culprit if an artificial color like tartrazine?What you can best do is list all the things in the one you can take..and note they are all OK for the future...then treat anything DIFFERENT in a tablet you react to as sus...eventually with a no of tablets considered you should be able to narrow it down to just a few sus ingredients.
I know I have some fillers that are supposedly inert, and on testing I can't dissolve them in anything either, but they give me asthma every time, so go figure...none are on your lists
Hope this helps, it's a slow process
Jan
Posted by rianny on November 17, 2003, at 20:08:35
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?tealady ?rianny, posted by tealady on November 17, 2003, at 14:18:21
> > Oh they have Non-Medicinal Ingredients:
> >
> > From B Complex:
> > Dicalcium Phosphate, Hydroxypropyl Methylcelulose, Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide, Carnauba Wax
> >
> > From multi-vitamin/mineral:
> > Dicalcium phosphate, cellulose, vegetable oil powder, croscarmellose sodium, vegetable gade magnesium stearate (lubricant) and coating.
> >
> >
> > Also, do you know if fish oil or evening primrose oil can cause anxiety? because I'm taking those too.
> >
> > I just bought Effervescent Tablets of vitamin B complex, vitamin C + magnesium, and B1 here is in different form (thiamine monophosphate ester chloride). Maybe I should try this.
>
> sounds OK
>
> The fillers are reaonable. ..so now you know you can tolerate
> Dicalcium Phosphate, Hydroxypropyl Methylcelulose, Magnesium Stearate, Silicon Dioxide, Carnauba Wax
>
> The DIFFERENT fillers in the multi vit/min that leaves you anxious cellulose..contained in methylcelulose..so should be OK for you
> , vegetable oil powder..probably OK
> , croscarmellose sodium, .... probably OK..unsure
> and coating...could possibly be a culprit if an artificial color like tartrazine?
>
> What you can best do is list all the things in the one you can take..and note they are all OK for the future...then treat anything DIFFERENT in a tablet you react to as sus...eventually with a no of tablets considered you should be able to narrow it down to just a few sus ingredients.
>
> I know I have some fillers that are supposedly inert, and on testing I can't dissolve them in anything either, but they give me asthma every time, so go figure...none are on your lists
>
> Hope this helps, it's a slow process
> Jan
>
>
Thx a lot for reply =)
The Effervescent Tablets that I have mentioned above, it gave me some kind of temper feeling. I don't believe it contains any filters because it is not mentioned. Maybe I shouldn't take any vitamin/mineral supplement =(
Posted by cavgrsays on May 29, 2011, at 10:38:33
In reply to Re: Get anxious with vitamin B complex ?tealady, posted by rianny on November 15, 2003, at 1:01:14
I do too. B12 does this -- it's a very energizing vitamin and I now take "stress b-complex" from CVS. I'm much less anxious since I started it. However, I still get a bit tense during the mornings for the 30 minutes after I take it (but I feel much worse if I don't take it, the whole day).
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