Posted by alexandra_k on December 21, 2013, at 17:12:16 [reposted on December 23, 2013, at 0:37:26 | original URL]
In reply to Re: Lou's reply-- Lou's Little Shoppe-, posted by Willful on December 19, 2013, at 12:00:45
> But as I'm sure you know historically women have received far less education-- or no education-- by the way, this still goes on in many countries--
yeah. and if parents need to choose which of their children goes to school (because they can't afford to send both, for example) they usually send the boy. even though if you educate the girls they are more likely to pass that onto their kids... that is one thought, anyway.
> So it's hardly a mystery why they're produced far less philosophy, literature, etc than men.
yes. also... while i need to read up more on this... women are still involved in a continuous cycle of popping out kids in many parts of the world, which impacts on time available, rather. i need to look into things more... birth control pill has only been available since... 60's???
> Even today, the same paper, or identical resumes, presented as a man's and a women's yields far more and far better publications and job offers for the man than for the woman.i am not sure about this one. many universities have affirmative action plans in place - which i actually have mixed feelings about. especially for areas that are considered to be 'under-represented' by women (e.g., physics, engineering, philosophy).
why are some fields over-represented with women (e.g., english literature, history?)
?
one of the issues is: how many less publications would make a female a comperable candidate given that she's had a few years out to have / look after kids?
my undergraduate university was distinctive in having more females full time on staff than males in my field. perhaps the only university in the western world where this was the case... so as an undergraduate i never thought of philosophy as being a particularly male dominated field.
in australia... there was one visiting female when i arrived. and then there was another. more women came later... but it was fairly male dominated, yeah. question time was... verbal sparring to be sure.
when i visited the US the place i visited had an affirmative action plan where half of their new PhD students were female. apparently this was NOT a policy they were going with for new hires, however. The women there were big on their meetings for women as an oppressed minority group etc etc etc.
i just...
felt sorry for the single black guy in the department. who was such a minority he didn't even get to muster anything like a 'minority group'.
this last conference... i think partly it is just because the NZ division conference is smaller... but it felt friendlier than many. more people trying to amplify / help rather than people trying to poke holes / critique. i... feel wary about assigning questioning styles to gender... i... well... i guess i'm more 'male brained' than most girls (if that makes sense) which is partly what made physiotherapy so hard, i think... and why i prefer weights in the gym... but the supportive questioning was nice... i thought.
i guess the verbal sparring is about getting to know each other. so you get to practice your skills against more hostile threats from without. and you know when to step in to support vs when to let the person handle themself as you get to know them... i don't know...
i am starting to think that i floundered rather in the less supportive environment. i think mostly i should have persisted more in asking *why* they were having problems with my work... tried to get them to articulate that in a way i could understand...
learning development people did try and help, to be fair. only... i didn't know what the problem was... thought it was my bad character / they couldn't really help me.
too late now.
i think.
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