Posted by Lou Pilder on April 25, 2008, at 17:24:07
In reply to Re: Lou's reply to SteelyDan-inqutn » Lou Pilder, posted by SteelyDan on April 25, 2008, at 14:09:55
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> > > > > > A. what does it mean, in your belief , as to {believe in Jesus}?
> > > > > > B.Are the children that were murdered that did not believe in Jesus, according to what you believe, in hell?
> > > > > > Lou
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> > > > > A. To believe (accept) that he is the Messiah, the Son of God, that He died on the cross for our sins. He is The promised son of Abraham, and a descendent of King David. He is the Great IAM!
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> > > > > B. I believe there is an 'age of accountability' which is different for each individual according to our just God. The murdered children i believe go to heaven.
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> > > > > -Dan
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> > > > Dan,
> > > > You wrote,[...to believe (accept) that he is...]
> > > > The generally accepted meaning, IMO, of the grammatical structure of the statement in question is that {believe} is being equated with {accept}.
> > > > If that is what you are wanting to mean, then I am unsure as to what connotation you are wanting to assign to the word {accept}.
> > > > Some generally accepted meanings of the word {accept} are:
> > > > A. to receive officially
> > > > B. to receive willingly
> > > > C. to endure without protest (this could mean IMO that the acceptance is forced, unwillingly, upon the person)
> > > > D. to give approval
> > > > E. to recognize as true
> > > > F. to receive favorably
> > > > G. others not listed
> > > > If you could identify as to what you are wanting the word {accept} to mean in your statement in question, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > > > Lou
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> > > You answered your own question...A through F are excellent examples of the word and definition of 'accept'.
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> > Dan,
> > You wrote,[...You answered your own question.A through F are excellent examples...].
> > As I read your reply to my question, which was that I was unsure as to the connotation that you are wanting to mean for the word {accept} in your statement,[...to believe (accept) that he is...], which I think that the grammatical structure could mean that {believe} and {accept} are being equated and I listed A through F.
> > Your reply,[...A through F...]has the grammatical structure in my opinion to mean that {C} could be one connotation that you are wanting to mean in your statement. If that is so, then I could read your statement as [...to {believe in Jesus}...] to have the potential iMO to mean:
> > [... to accept Jesus...]which by replacing {accept} with {C}, then the statement could read, [...to be forced unwillingly to accept Jesus...]
> > I do not think that that is what you are wanting to mean here, but that is how I could IMO interpret the grammatical structure of the statemnt in question due to your reply that IMO could mean that {C} is an option in the list of choices from A through F that one could use.
> > If you are wanting to mean that even forced belief is included, could you clarify what means are used to force one today to {believe in Jesus}?
> > Lou
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> Ha, you remind me of my College English Lit. Professor. No, you cannot be forced to believe in Jesus, or 'accept' Him for that matter. God gives all men free will, it must be a personal decision..a choice to either believe that He is who He said He is (The Messiah) or reject Him as if He is merely a crazy man making false accusations about Himself.
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> -DanDan,
You wrote,[...you can not be forced to believe in Jesus...all men free will...it must be...either believe..or reject...]
Could you post here your authority that you use to say that {you can not be forced}? Could you post here the authority that you use to say that all men have free will? Could you post your authority here that you use to say that it is {either}{or}? If you could, then I could have the oportunity to respond accordingly.
Lou
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