Posted by Quintal on December 9, 2006, at 10:43:53 [reposted on December 10, 2006, at 23:43:14 | original URL]
In reply to Re: non-opiate replacement for hydrococone? TO ALL » Quintal, posted by liliths on December 9, 2006, at 7:06:25
Hi Liliths,
Kratom made me feel much like I do on opiates, but less sedating and sometimes energizing. I felt warm inside and completely at peace. I was using it mostly as a high occasionally at weekends like most people use alcohol to relax. I hadn't really thought of using it daily for anxiety and depression though there's no reason why you can't - like people use Kava for anxiety. I did once put some powdered leaf into a capsule as a sleep aid and slept deeply. I am going to get some more myself.
Kratom does seem to be mildly addictive and habit forming as you would expect for an opiate-like substance, but withdrawal seems less traumatic than with traditional opiates like the hydrocodone you're already taking.
All the info on oxytocin, including web links are on the link to the thread I posted earlier. I'll put them here again for convenience: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20061110/msgs/704011.html
You can buy oxytocin spray here: http://www.verolabs.com/product.php?UID=2006112308022688.110.78.59, http://www.verolabs.com/. I can't get it because I have no credit card right now.
You can buy kratom here: http://www.iamshaman.com/eshop/10Browse.asp?Category=Kratom. I don't particularly like this site because there are a few dubious claims made over some of its products, but it is one of the few head shops that supply Kratom in the US. I think it should be reliable as far as the Kratom is concerned.
I would recommend buying one of the stronger extracts as you get more mileage out of them. It sells for about $8.99 for 28g and an average dose to get high is about 3-6g. I suspect you would need much less as a daily supplement for depression and anxiety. I don't know what you consider expensive, but I guess anything that helps you get your license and living the lifestyle you've worked so hard for is pretty valuable in itself? I've read it's possible to augment the effect of opiates and prevent tolerance by adding Lamictal if you can tolerate it.
Q
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