Posted by Lou Pilder on August 16, 2014, at 9:58:24
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on August 3, 2014, at 10:22:56
> > D. Some of Lou's notifications that are outstanding pre-date 2013
> > F. Statements that insult Judaism in particular but not limited to, are showing unsanctioned before 2013.
> > G. Statements that defame Lou are showing unsanctioned that were posted before 2013.
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> I didn't mean to imply that my policy didn't change until 2013. It had been evolving before that, but I may not have made it explicit until then.
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> > A. If you do or do not have a notification from me concerning the statement in question
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> OK, I looked, and in fact I do.
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> > B. If you are willing to turn over your archive of notifications to an impartial body for discovery
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> No.
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> > C. Why you posted what you did here {except maybe you}, if you would not have sanctioned the statement anyway even if there is the notification from me on the grounds that you state that you will use the discriminatory policy to act on notifications except for some of Lou's.
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> Sorry, could you repeat your question?
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> > D. What the good is by you leaving the defamation against me to be seen as civil in the post where it is posted originally, since your thinking is that what you do will be good for this community as a whole, and for readers to trust you at that.
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> 1. Not sanctioning it could lead to it being seen as civil, but not necessarily.
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> 2. The good I see is that intervening less = trusting the community, including yourself, more.
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> > E. Why do you want readers to trust you in what you do in your thinking here if defamation is allowed to be seen as civil where it is originally posted if your rule is to not post anything that could lead one to feel accused or put down?
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> If they trust me, (1) there may be less conflict here and (2) they may be more able to trust others.
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
Let there be no misunderstanding here. You are allowing defamation against me to be seen as civil by you where it is posted originally. The false statement that I am a disturbed person posted here could cause harm to me. But it is much more than that.
Your reply to me here could lead readers to think that you are justifying your allowing of the defamation toward me to be seen as civil where it is posted originally. To justify hate here is not in accordance with what has been revealed to me as a Jew as part of the Golden Rule that you say you use in your moderation of this site. Nor could it be considered fair by a subset of readers for you to discriminate by sanctioning other statements that could lead one to feel put down or accused and leave the defamation toward me to be seen as civil.
The tactic of evading in the aspect of deceit is when one puts forth a reason to justify something by making a statement that you want others to think is true that is irrelevant and leads to a false conclusion.
Here you put forth that you are justified in leaving the defamation un sanctioned on the basis that you put forth that by doing so there will be less conflict and readers will be more able to trust others. As to if that is true or false does not annul the fact that the harm that could come to me from being defamed falsely as a disturbed person that others could think that you are ratifying the libel on the basis that you say that un repudiated statements means that the statement is not against your rules. To allow any justification for defamation is not in accordance with support for your rule is to not post anything that could lead one to feel put down.
If you could do this to me, you could allow defamation to stand against anyone here, justifying in your mind that it will be good for this community as a whole. That is the same argument used to justify slavery, and infanticide, and discrimination and genocide. Time will be the judge of that. But time has already judged how discrimination harms those that are victims of it and how genocide was fostered on the basis that it would be good for the country as a whole. They become stigmatized and devalued and the practice of discrimination is abhorrent to the Golden Rule in what as been revealed to me as a Jew. It can cause depression in vulnerable people, people like those here. And readers led to believe that they can get support here as you state that being supportive takes precedence. They could feel protected by reading your TOS. But your TOS can deceive readers because you fail to disclose that they could be harmed by becoming victims of defamation that you use discrimination as a tool to allow it. And by you saying that you use the Golden Rule and fairness in your moderation, that could lead to members to think that you would abide by your rules and they could take you at your word in that they would not be discriminated against by you and your deputies of record. And that you want readers to trust you, what could happen to them when you use discrimination against them and allow defamation to be posted against them?
Lou
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