Posted by Lou Pilder on November 8, 2013, at 20:50:28
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on November 8, 2013, at 14:25:37
> > You say that you want to do what is right and that you take my concerns seriously.
> > the three statements in question here that have not been notated by you ... could lead a subset of readers to have hatred infused in them toward Jews and others
> > I would think that if you are taking my concerns seriously as you say, that you have not addressed my concerns as serious, until you post in those threads remedial action as to show that they are not supportive.
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> I can take your concerns seriously, but still not agree with you. For example, I don't agree with you about how likely it is that those statements will infuse hatred in readers.
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> > Now if you are not going to take affirmative action on the above three, then you could go on to this:
> > Here is a statement that you have allowed for readers to think is supportive and good for this community as a whole. I am asking that you immediately post in the thread that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community. For if it is, then hate is good for this community as a whole, and you say that you want to do what is right. Now is a time for you to declare what you think is "right" by either taking remedial action on that post or allowing it to stand as supportive.
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> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1051978.html
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> I took action after Lar posted that. Again, I disagree with you about how likely it is that that statement will be seen as supportive and good for this community as a whole.
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> This isn't the first time a poster and I have disagreed about whether I'm listening. I think part of it may be semantic. The poster may mean "listen" in the sense of "give heed to attentively in order to obey", whereas I mean "attend to closely".
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> BobMr Hsiung,
You wrote,[...I do not agree with you about how likely it is that those statements will infuse hatred in readers...].
I do not see how your reply to me addresses my concerns here. My concerns are that there are the three posts I question that I am asking for you to post something in the threads to show that those statements are not supportive, unless you are contending that they are supportive. If you are contending that they are supportive, could you please state such? You say that you disagree with me about the likelihood of those statements infusing hatred in readers. But that is not what I wrote. I wrote that :
[...there could be a subset of readers to have hatred infused in them toward Jews and others...].
But the issue here is in regards to your terms of service which has in it that one is not to post what could put down or accuse another, not to post what could put down those of other faiths, and not to post what is not supportive for support takes precedence. The statements in question are naked in any statement from you that they are not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community, so readers could see them as being supportive because support takes precedence and you state that you do not wait to put out a match, for one match could start a forest fire. The initial fire could be very small at first, but then escalate to an inferno. Here, the initial statement could be like a match, and may even be considered by you to not have great likelihood to cause hatred to be infused in someone toward Jews and others. But it is your own thinking that it doesn't matter if a match is a small fire, for if it is not put out initially, it could cause a forest fire. Your analogy is correct and there could IMO be a subset of readers that could think that since the statement is one that puts down Jews, and Islamic people and others, and is not addressed by you or your deputies, that it is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole as you say that you are doing here. That statement by you could be IMO felt to the core by a subet of people as an insult to Jews and Islamic people and others. The TOS of yours states that you will act without waiting on statements that are not supportive, and not if they could or could not infuse hatred in readers toward Jews and others. The context here is what it is. If you do not think that these statements could infuse hatred in readers, remember that I did not say that. What I did say is that I want you to take remedial action in those threads: TO SHOW THAT THEY ARE NOT SUPPORTIVE (emphasis mine), unless you think that they are supportive and then I would like for you to post that here.
In regards to Lar's post, there is not a post by you *linked* to the post in question at all. And anyway, the post that you did link to is a different post than the one that I have asked you to link to. I would like for you to explain to readers here what you are saying that you acted on what I am asking you to act on, when your action is to another post and there are things in one post that are not in the other.
Lou Pilder
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1050116
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1054043.html