Posted by Lou Pilder on September 21, 2013, at 11:52:16
In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on September 21, 2013, at 3:01:15
> > the following is one of those posts. The part involved is the second list in the post, entitled {..the top ten worst...}, and it is #5 in that list.
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
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> I consider that OK. Yes, in #5 she only said "Christ", but in #7 she did say "the Bible or other scripture".
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> BobMr. Hsiung,
You wrote that you consider the statement in question to be {OK}. That does not mean that it is supportive, but what you say is that {OK} means {acceptable}. If it is acceptable, that means that you consider it acceptable. It does not mean that others could think that it is not acceptable. This brings up as to what is the standard, if any, for a statement to be acceptable here. The standards could be understood by your terms of service as given in your FAQ, one which states:
[..do not post anything that could lead one to feel accused or put down...]and another is that you say that if there is a conflict between anything posted, that support takes precedence. Since you say that the statement in question is not supportive, but you are going to allow it to be posted anyway since you say it is acceptable, then my question still remains as to what is your rationale for allowing a statement that is not supportive to be considered to be acceptable by you here. Let's see what the statement could lead others to think. Here is the statement:top 10 worst reasons for organized religion:
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5. to foster any agenda that is not centered in Christ
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Now "worst" literally means "bad". So there could be a subset of people that read the statement and could think that religions that foster any agendas that are not centered in Christ are bad. Or they could think that there is a ranking of religions and that those people that belong to religions that foster an agenda other than one that is centered in Christ are in a bad religion or are bad people, for they belong to a bad religion.
This could lead to a hostile environment here for Jews, people of Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Pantheism, Taoism and all other religions that foster an agenda not centered in Christ, because you say it is acceptable to post the statement in question here, which insults Judaism, Islam and all other faiths that foster an agenda not centered in Christ. By you saying that the statement is acceptable, some could think that you are saying that hate is acceptable to be posted here, for it is allowed to be thought that religions other than those that foster agendas centered in Christ are bad religions or that those people that belong to such religions are bad people by the nature that it can be seen as supportive since the statement is allowed to stand and there is not a post by you in the thread where the statement appears where you say that the statement is not supportive, but you are going to allow it to stand anyway as being acceptable.
Now if hate could be spawned by allowing the statement in question to stand as supportive, as that is how it can be seen now, could hate also be spawned here if you posted in that thread that you do not consider the statement to be supportive, but you are going to allow it to stand anyway? I would like for you to post that there and then I will post my response to you there. You could also post your rationale for allowing it to stand as acceptable but not supportive and why you do not consider the statement to be an insult to Judaism and Islam and the others so that people can respond to you there unless you do consider the statement to be an insult to those faiths, in which you could post your rationale, if any, for allowing the insult to stand as acceptable.
In regards to you saying that the poster wrote in #7,
[To make it up as they go along, without concern for alignment with Bible or other scripture]
I say, so what?
That is just another in the list by the poster that religions, according to the poster, are in the top 10 worst reasons for an organized religion. It is separate from {fostering any agenda that is not centered in Christ}.
There are religions that make it up as they go along, but Judaism and Islam and others are fixed and do not make things up as they go along. And there are religions that have no concern for alignment with scripture, but that is not Judaism or Islam or others that adhere to their scripture's principles.
What could be thought by reading #7 is that since the poster says that she is a member of the Latter Day Saints, (LDS) sometimes called the Mormon Church, that they use the Bible and {other scriptures}. The other scriptures are books that Joseph Smith in the 18oo's claim were given to him from God and it is my understanding that the LDS say that those books supersede the Bible books, or they trump the Bible books. One is called the book of Mormon which is supposedly aligning the scriptures in the Bible by his further revelation from that book and others.
By you saying that the statement in question is acceptable to be posted here, then you also say that you take responsibility for what you post. I think that there is a subset of people that could have anti-Semitic feelings aroused in them when they read that post that you say is acceptable by you. And I think that they could have hatred induced in them when they read it because it could be thought to delegate Jews and others into a class of bad or worst or that Christianity is superior to Judaism or Islam and others faiths that foster an agenda not centered in Christ, and that you say it is acceptable to post here.
Those that could receive the inducement of hate that I think could be fostered here by you saying that the statement is acceptable, according to psychologists could transfer that hate to others, even themselves and/or others, even commit mass-murder. I am trying to save lives here, and have people freed from the captivity of depression and addiction, and I know that as long as people are steered to think that one religion has a higher ranking than all others, or that people are bad that belong to Judaism, Islam and other faiths that do not accept the claim in question that hatred could be induced into some that believe that to be true. And when a psychiatrist says that it is acceptable to post that here, and all his previous deputies also allowed it also, then others could indeed be steered, but where to? Where are they being steered to? And where they find themselves by them allowing you and your previous deputies to steer them there, they could find one that says to them, "Judge not, for you will be judged."
Lou Pilder
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URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130903/msgs/1051083.html