Posted by Lou PIlder on July 18, 2008, at 21:36:47
In reply to Lou's request for clarification-ehkaltmt » gardenergirl, posted by Lou PIlder on July 18, 2008, at 20:52:42
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> > > gardenergirl,
> > > You wrote,[...the ..system does not allow for enough time for..individual attention..from (the administartion)...]
> > > I am unsure as to what you are wanting to mean by the statement above. If you could clarify by answering te following, then I could have a better understanding of what you are wanting to mean and respond accordingly.
> > > A. If the system does not allow as what you have written here, then if another member sent the same notification that is of the one that I sent that is outstanding,at around the same time, I am unsure as to what would happen in regards to the post in question could in your opinion as to the grammatical structure of your statement in question here, that the other member's notification would or would not be responded to.
> > > Lou
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> > I don't have any way to predict how the current team would respond in that situation. I can tell you about factors that might influence my actions in a similar situation if that would help.
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> > First, I'd have to consider what the notifications were about. If they were about an area I did not feel especially competent to evaluate, which includes most Faith board posts, I would likely not respond to either notification and defer it to the others.
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> > Assuming it was something I did feel competent to evaluate, I'd also look at whether your notification was about someone you've notified about more than three times in the past that did not warrant action as determined by admin. Admittedly, there was no "list" or other way to track that, so I would have to go by my memory of past notifications and their outcomes and perhaps check my email archives. Because as you know, Lou, according to one of the rules of three, if one's notification is about someone for whom one has notified more than three times (or three times?) prior on posts that were not uncivil, further notifications sent by the same poster about the same other poster will not be considered. On a side note, that could be an explanation for at least some of your outstanding notifications.
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> > Another factor is "readability". If one poster sends a notification that is concise, direct, and clear, I found it easier to take on. If the notification is long, less direct, contains multiple rationals or criteria or other extraneous as far as what I needed as a deputy to do my job, I would be less inclined to act on that one.
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> > If I had to choose between two notifications to take on as a deputy due to time, energy, or interest constraints, and one was from someone who sent in an occasional notification (or even no prior notifications) and the other was from someone who had sent in numerous and sometimes repetitive notifications, I would likely feel more inclined to address the first. That would feel more equitable to me in how I used my "deputy" time. Typically, I would rather have spent it helping more people a bit than helping one person a lot. The latter never felt fair to me.
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> > And the obvious part to your scenario is that if two notifications were presented on the same post, and one was "addressed" and the other was not, the post is still getting looked at. If the post is uncivil, the subsequent admin action would be there in the thread for all to see, including anyone who sent in a notification. If the post was deemed not uncivil, I think it would be appropriate to let both posters who notified know of the decision, although if one of them as in the "Three strikes" situation with the poster in question, then they might not get a reply. Though from my point of view, if I'm composing one reply, it would not be too difficult to copy and paste that into a reply to the other poster either, regardless of the rule of three status.
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> > Dear lord, this is complicated and hard to explain. But those are the factors I can think of that could and did at times influence my choices about responding to notifications.
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> > Finally, to be perfectly frank, Lou, if I believed that any reply I sent to you to explain a decision that a post you notified about was not uncivil would be highly likely to be met with further appeals from you about it, I did at times choose to avoid getting into it altogether. I was grateful that this was an option for deputies and that we could elect this option for any reason.
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> > gg
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> > PS: Regarding the coded aspects of your subject lines in this dialog, I do not find Babble to be a hostile environment nor do I find selective administration to occur due to anti-semitism or other discrimination towards specific individuals and/or groups. I do believe that Babble might not feel like a supportive, nurturing, and/or comfortable place for every single individual for any number of reasons. No place is. And any selective administration I've noted appears to me to stem more from trying to be as effective and efficient as possible given all of the demands and the limited resources available to meet them.
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> gardenergirl,
> You wrote,[...I can tell you about my factors that..in a similar situation if it would help..
> I have read your reply and I still am unsure concerning the situation, in paticular, but not limited to Mr. Hsiung's post that says something like that we've missed it (the notifications outstanding). If I was to know what he is wanting to mean by {missed}, then I could have a look at what he wants to mean by {we've}. In this, Mr. Hsiung also states that if I was to send them again that they would be addressed per the notification procedure that says that they will either be notated on the board or something will be sent to the one notifying.
> By the nature of Mr. Hsiung's post, it could have the meaning that my post was received and that there was nothing about it that caused them to reject it, such as being in the 3 rule that you meantion or have something other than that to cause them to {miss} it. The notification procedure states to do X,Y and Z as per the TOS and I have followed that procedure. And when the notifications are not responded to, a reminder can be posted on the board which I have done. And when the reminder id not attended to, a nother reminder can be posted as in Mr.Hsiung' statement to keep reminding him. I have followed those procedures.
> Mr. Hsiung has posted that if I send them again that they will be addressed. I am willing as I have posted here to accomodate the administration inthat regard if all of the deputie post individually here that they have no remembrance by going to the time period and board in question of the post in question that was notified and have no way to know what the post was either by checking sources that could have the notification or by remembering. I am awaiting that to happen and then I will send them again.
> But you write that this is complicated and I agree and that is why I am posting requests for clarification of this situation, so that the complications can be cleared up.
> Anothe request that I think could clear up the complication is that Mr. Hsiung wrote concerning the emails, that he can not answer all emails now. I am asking to clear that up by him responding to my request to know what he is wanting to mean here in referrence to the situation because his statement could mean that he could answwer 999 out of 1000 emails and he does invite members to email him and it is posted here that it is advised to email him if you want a quicker response. I took him at his word.
> Lougardenergirl,
You wrote,[...if this could help (from your perspective)...].
Your perspective does bring out what you perceive but it could speak for other deputies and Mr Hsiung if they reiterated your perspective. But I see that the 3 rule and the other factors that you use may not be what they used to not respond yet because of that Mr. Hsiung has posted,[...we've *missed* them...please send them again...].
Your perspective could give some light on what is meant by {missed} but their meaning intended could be different from yours and I await his reply to my request for clarification. I also know that the member was not requested 3 other notifications in the past because I have a list of those and there are few.
As to waiting for the response from the administration concerning the outstanding requests, I have posted conditions for me to resend them that they post what I have requested from them. That could mean that the posts in question may not be addressed. But if there has been a significant time lapse already, what could in your opinion be the consequences to me for the posts to go unaddressed even if they are to be addressed now?
I think that there are ways to clear up the complications to this situation here, one being if the deputies posted here in this thread what is what they are wanting to mean by {missed} to me when I read Mr. Hsiung's statement to me, then that is one thing that IMO could clear up the situation here. And along with that, the deputies could explain how Mr. Hsiung may have used the word {we've} in [...we've missed them...send them again...].
Another way that I think that the situation could be resolved is if Mr. Hsiung replied to me in relation to the emails that he posted about of mine to him or post here hwy he can't in relation to his statement that he can not answer {all} emails as to what the reason is that he can not reply to my emails to him.
Another way is for us to agree on an impartial third party, not from the U of Chicago as I once requested, and allow them to post their decision on the admin. board, not on the thread in question.
Another way that I think could resolve this is for Mr. Hsiung to allow me to post more than 3 consecutive posts in the thread in question to uncover what may be not seen like I did with the poem by Mark Morford and the statement by Jean Jacques Rousseau.
Another way could be for a deputy to email me and we could discuss the location but not the post in question so that the deputy could then narrow the post down.
Another offer is that a member be allowed to post for me the post in question on the admin board that you choose.
Another way to clear this up IMO is for a new deputy be appointed and I will email it to that member.This could amount to a special moderator that I have previously suggested for I could then send all of the outstanding requests to them.
Other good and just solutions to this complication.
Lou
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