Posted by Gabbee on June 13, 2008, at 19:58:29
In reply to Re: Suicide Clusters - » AbbieNormal, posted by Mc Comfortable on June 13, 2008, at 18:47:19
Hmm..
I've honestly never really seen a post here that seemed to glorify suicide. A few silly ones but they didn't do anything but incite well rounded discussion.I agree with Tabitha that were not a bunch of teenagers who, in wanting a romantic tragedy, seem to think they'll have it both ways, die and also get to see the effect it has on people who were close to them. I'm excluding obviously more troubled teenagers.
Why do I think someone should be allowed to say something that doesn't put it in an entirely negative light? Becuase it invites discussion, perhaps they will see alternate points in what people have to say.
It's too Big Brother to me, to not be allowed to say anything but that suicide is unnaceptable
It's mental illness,
I don't get that:
"Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem, or that it's when your coping capacity is ovewhelmed by circumstance.
That's not been true for me.
I've thought sometimes damn, I wish I didn't have to go through this "loss" transition, whatever"
but it's never been what's made me seriously conemplate suicide
Mine come from a desperate need to escape gut wrenching fear and sadness that arrives out of nowhere, obliterates anything good and renders me unable to function in the most basic of jobs.
That talk is for people who think "I lost my job" I want to end it all, or my girlfriend dumped me I want to die.
Depression/comorbid disorders are NOT a temporary problem for most of us here.
The combination of sh*tty help, playing psychiatry roulette / abuse from the system,/stigmatization by Dr's when you actually have a physical problem and they won't consider its' anything but your " head illness" talking.Meds that can mess up your head, your body and the Shrinks who make you feel it's your fault.
The loss of self.. in all this.The depression convincing you that you're a drain on everyone around you especially if you can't work
And that's not even the mental illness, that's the trying to get BETTER part.In the words of Andrew Solomon, Depression *can* make your life as terrible as the depression made you think it was" Magical help isn't out there for everyone, support isn't out there for everyone.
Some people don't want any more support.. they want a semblance of a normal life. or something, on thing that they that they can count on and when you don't even know why you're feeling what you do, it's a little unsettling.. to say the least.
I'd never want to say anything good about suicide after a run of isolated bad luck, breaks, or "my life isn't what I thought it would be"
I wouldn't and I don't think most people do.I do empathize with those though who see it's the last bit of control they have.
It SUCKS to be one left behind But I still don't see it as a selfish act because we don't know what they were feeling, only how we feel and project our struggles that we've overcome onto them. "I did it, so can you" ..and idealize what or who they would be alive.
In some cases, I'm quite sure that a person taking their own life, even if they have family, was likely done to avert a greater tragedy and quite possibly an act of sacrifice.
My personal belief is that we stay alive for each other, and that we need to need to promote awareness.
But someone who can't do that anymore isn't weaker than I am.Isn't that what's always said?
"Depression is not about character weakness"
I don't think many suicides are either.Suicidal thinking in a depressed person, is no different than paranoia in a paranoid schizophrenic.
It's NOT a crime, it's an illness.My partner had a small stroke that doesn't even register on a brain scan. yet their are distinct
differences in his personality now. it isn't a tendency to suicidal thinking, but it easily could be inherent in someone else.I was on a med combination once that for three days had me in an unending ghoulish terror, impervious to support, words.. I won't bother trying to describe it.
I always think of that when I think that there are problaby some who feel that way every day and are yet told they're taking the easy way out if they take their life.
Bugger that.Spalding Grey wasn't suicidal until after until he had facial surgery he was in a terrible car crash.
Something changed biologically during that surgery.
And I know I never wouldn't have made it through.
Never- it was otherworldy. And to anyone who expected me too, you don't get it. Not that, you don't.People need heartfelt hope to survive, not hope thats handed to them, when that hope doesn't exist, and what you're experiencing is a repeated soul holocaust caused by..god knows what
I am not going to stigmatize or call selfish or someone who decides that there's only one way out of that pain.
No I don't want suicide romanticized, but I want it acknowledged that for the most part these people have fought and struggled, more than anyone should ever have to, and I think it's their right. And it's their due, to be seen as someone who fought and contributed through their pain, and not hidden away as someone who did
"The wrong thing"
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