Posted by Vincent_QC on October 2, 2010, at 8:56:53
In reply to Re: Do not do it!, posted by bleauberry on September 24, 2010, at 17:32:22
> Meds like vicadin, buprenorphine, or ldn, do something....they competitively displace whatever toxins are residing (clogging) the opioid receptors. That's why some people experience profound antidepressant effect from opioid meds, but not the euphoria or dysphoria experienced by a normal healthy person. The med is simply competitively displacing the toxin and allowing the receptor to do what it was designed to do.
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> Obviously this only applies to an unknown subset of depressive patients, since not everyone is suffering from an unknown toxic load. And not everyone will have a good outcome on the opioid journey.
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> If nothing else, I believe the use of these kinds of meds as quick challenge trials is a powerful diagnostic tool. It can help steer someone stuck in the failed psych office to someone who knows about infections and detox. The reaction to a challenge trial of opioid meds supplies a lot of useful detective information. Euprhoria, dysphoria, remission...whatever happens, it tells a story and gives direction in treatment.*************************************************
I'm having panic disorder, agoraphobia, social phobia and probably some OCD and GAD... Everytime I had a surgery and was in a remission state from the panic disorder, I had a return of the anxiety problems after surgery... and all the opioid meds always increase a lot my anxiety level and they don't decrease the pain level...
I had a surgery last november and was put on Dilaudid 2 mg every 4 hours and was not able to take it because of the intense panic attacks I was experiencing with that med, they change it for Oxycontin, who was worse than the Dilaudid... same reaction on the Demerol injection...same for the tramadol...
What does it mean??? I don't understand why peoples on babble say that opioid meds help them with the depression/pain and anxiety !!!
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