Posted by bleauberry on November 11, 2009, at 17:30:44
In reply to Re: Peter Breggin » bleauberry, posted by SLS on November 10, 2009, at 16:57:34
Hi SLS,
Just to set the tone, I am not entering into a serious discussion in this thread, just kind of tossing the ball back and forth in a friendly discussion. So let's play.> Hi Bleauberry.
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> How do you define the word "depression" as you apply it? Semantics are critically important.Depression is everything you and I know it to be, consistent with the symptoms listed in DSM. Either one symptom or multiple symptoms. The problem occurs when an unsusptected disease manifests itself primarily as depression, and yet that primary disease goes undiagnosed or unrecognized.
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> > I think it will be 50 to 100 years before the theories...both pro and con...can be debated with any sense of scientific body.
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> What theories? What do you mean by "pro and con"?By pro I mean some people strongly praise meds as the way to go, while the cons (like Breggin) attack them. You are a strong pro, I am a modest pro, Breggin is a con.
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> > I think it deserves mention...and this is significantly contrary to the beliefs of most everyone here...that depression is not a disease.
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> What about bipolar disorder (BD)?Borrelia and cousins, Candida and cousins, immune dysregulation, and toxic burden can all manifest as bipolar symptoms. Just off the top of my head as the most common and easy to explain why the symptoms occur, I am sure there are others.
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> > but in the support of ADs, the right one can actually reverse the disease...
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> What is the disease? Does major depressive disorder (MDD) count?I don't know. Is chronic diarrhea a disease? I think it is a symptom, right? There is something else wrong? I see mood disorders as being similar...they are outward clusters of symptoms that correlate with something else causing them. The "something else" is the disease, the mood disturbance is the symptoms of that disease.
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> > it is possible for an AD to regulate the immune system
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> I should think it more likely that an AD helps reregulate the brain, which, in turn, regulates the immune system through the secretion of neuropeptides.I would think it probably could work either way from case to case. I just wish it would happen more often.
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> - Scott
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