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Posted by becksFLA on February 3, 2008, at 1:21:31
In reply to Re: Medical Freak of Nature! » becksFLA, posted by Larry Hoover on January 14, 2008, at 13:05:28
Is Mg right? Whatever. I've heard this mentioned many times before, Magnesium, Tyrosine, Taurine, many herbal, etc. supplements for anxiety/depression, but I've always been EXTREMELY skeptical about this. 1. My anxiety is so severe, and as I posted earlier, I've tried a few benzos at extremely abnormal dosing levels that did not do a thing. I can hardly believe something like that would help?
Thanks
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 3, 2008, at 1:21:31
In reply to LH - regarding your Mg post, or anybody else, posted by becksFLA on January 30, 2008, at 9:48:38
> Is Mg right? Whatever. I've heard this mentioned many times before, Magnesium, Tyrosine, Taurine, many herbal, etc. supplements for anxiety/depression, but I've always been EXTREMELY skeptical about this. 1. My anxiety is so severe, and as I posted earlier, I've tried a few benzos at extremely abnormal dosing levels that did not do a thing. I can hardly believe something like that would help?
>
> ThanksI'm suggesting things you haven't tried. For anxiety, taurine, magnesium, and niacinamide are the most obvious considerations. There's only one way to know for sure.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on February 3, 2008, at 1:21:31
In reply to LH - regarding your Mg post, or anybody else, posted by becksFLA on January 30, 2008, at 9:48:38
> Is Mg right? Whatever. I've heard this mentioned many times before, Magnesium, Tyrosine, Taurine, many herbal, etc. supplements for anxiety/depression, but I've always been EXTREMELY skeptical about this. 1. My anxiety is so severe, and as I posted earlier, I've tried a few benzos at extremely abnormal dosing levels that did not do a thing. I can hardly believe something like that would help?
>
> ThanksI meant to say something more than I did....
The alternatives mentioned work by totally different mechanisms than do the benzos. *If* your issue is a genetically weak benzo receptor site, then it doesn't make sense to persist with benzos. The alternatives may not be anyone's first choice, but once the first choice is shown to be unsatisfactory....
Lar
Posted by former trx resistant on February 3, 2008, at 1:21:31
In reply to Re: LH - regarding your Mg post, or anybody else » becksFLA, posted by Larry Hoover on January 31, 2008, at 10:50:36
listen to Lar! He's the wisest man!
Posted by zatar on February 4, 2008, at 13:32:21
In reply to Re: LH - regarding your Mg post, or anybody else » becksFLA, posted by Larry Hoover on February 3, 2008, at 1:21:31
> I'm suggesting things you haven't tried. For anxiety, taurine, magnesium, and niacinamide are the most obvious considerations. There's only one way to know for sure.
> LarI swear that Magnesium taurate (Cardiovascular Research 125mg) increases anxiety. I stopped
taking it at night because I couldn't fall asleep on the couple of nights that I tried it (I'm also on 10mg doxepin which always puts me to sleep and keeps me asleep). The other morning, I thought the coffee shop mistakenly put caffeinated coffee in the dispenser instead of decaf because I started to feel very anxious and hyper. I remembered that I took one Mg Taurate that morning to see if I fared better with it than at night.Mg Malate doesn't do that to me, but I haven't tried Mg Glycinate.
My anxiety and panic attacks decreased on Klonopin 0.5mg and 10mg propranolol, but the local doctors won't put me on long term Klonopin.
Is there any connection between responding to BZD and the type of magnesium that you will respond to?
-Zatar
Posted by cache-monkey on February 6, 2008, at 1:28:38
In reply to Re: LH - regarding your Mg post, or anybody else, posted by zatar on February 4, 2008, at 13:32:21
> I swear that Magnesium taurate (Cardiovascular Research 125mg) increases anxiety.
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> Mg Malate doesn't do that to me, but I haven't tried Mg Glycinate.
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> My anxiety and panic attacks decreased on Klonopin 0.5mg and 10mg propranolol, but the local doctors won't put me on long term Klonopin.
>
> Is there any connection between responding to BZD and the type of magnesium that you will respond to?
>FYI: I respond well to BZDs for anxiety, although they make my depression worse. I have had a bad experience with taurine, which I think when added to Mg makes magenesium taurate. Similar stuff, increase in racy-type energy. I do a lot better on magnesium citrate, which I find quite calming.
~cache-monkey
Posted by zatar on February 6, 2008, at 20:22:13
In reply to Re: LH - regarding your Mg post, or anybody else » zatar, posted by cache-monkey on February 6, 2008, at 1:28:38
This is the only information regarding side effects of taurine I could find:
"Excess taurine may cause anxiety, irritabil-
ity, and a high sensitivity to noise. Euro-
pean countries have banned the sale of
energy drinks because the safety of the
so called energizing ingredients in com-
bination is not known and are potentially
dangerous."
http://www.calgaryhealthregion.ca/hecomm/nal/SchoolAgeChildren/Jill%20Aussant%20PHN%20newsletter%20(Jan2006).pdfNo reason why anywhere.
-zatar
Posted by Questionmark on April 27, 2008, at 21:36:51
In reply to Re: LH - regarding your Mg post, or anybody else, posted by zatar on February 6, 2008, at 20:22:13
Taurine is really interesting to me. It definitely has noticeable effects (at least most of the time, unless other factors are masking it/ preventing it from "working") and apparently has so many different neuro-chemical effects. It can be a good anxiolytic (in theory, and for some people in practice) because it is a natural/endogenous inhibitory transmitter in its own right (correct?). Yet i also remember reading that it increases dopamine activity in certain specified parts of the brain (unfortunately i do not remember where or how), as well as, i think, having some other interesting but puzzling properties.
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