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Posted by Phillipa on April 13, 2007, at 22:09:36
Would you think it good or bad for someone on multiple meds for sleep with severe insomnia to drink a glass of whey proten before bed? Love Phillipa
Posted by someday on April 14, 2007, at 0:57:47
In reply to More Whey Protein, posted by Phillipa on April 13, 2007, at 22:09:36
> Would you think it good or bad for someone on multiple meds for sleep with severe insomnia to drink a glass of whey proten before bed? Love Phillipa
I tried that a few days ago, and I got very very sick from it. I did some research and I found out that concentrated whey protein contains free glutamate, which when taken in large dosage can lead to MSG intolerance symptoms. After 24 hours, symptoms are subsided but it was some horrible thing I would never go thru. Sigh...what am I gonna do with that big can full of whey protein?
What a waste of money :(
Posted by tealady on April 14, 2007, at 17:32:13
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein, posted by someday on April 14, 2007, at 0:57:47
> > Would you think it good or bad for someone on multiple meds for sleep with severe insomnia to drink a glass of whey proten before bed? Love Phillipa
>
>
> I tried that a few days ago, and I got very very sick from it. I did some research and I found out that concentrated whey protein contains free glutamate, which when taken in large dosage can lead to MSG intolerance symptoms. After 24 hours, symptoms are subsided but it was some horrible thing I would never go thru. Sigh...what am I gonna do with that big can full of whey protein?
> What a waste of money :(the very sick.. was that the tiredness/weakness with muscle aches you were describing?
The tiredness/possible weakness but drowsiness could be the high tryptophan in the whey?... unsure though
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2007, at 19:55:10
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein, posted by tealady on April 14, 2007, at 17:32:13
So good or bad for anxiety induced non sleep? Love Phillipa
Posted by tealady on April 14, 2007, at 22:36:23
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein » tealady, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2007, at 19:55:10
> So good or bad for anxiety induced non sleep? Love Phillipa
usually helpful if taken within a few hours (max of 4 hrs) before bed ?
If you think you may be shortish on tryptophan for any reason it can help to determine if it may help.. some examples would be, - withdrawal from an SSRI?, been eating a lot of gelatine lately?- need to increase your melatonin at night for any reason?
May make you a bit tired an wiped though if it IS increasing tryptophan too much.
A glass of they used to give warmed milk before bed works similarly(remember they used to recommend giving children a glass of warmed milk just before bedtime in the olden days?)
In the moring it could caused a bit of tiredness and wiped out feeling though...
some reckon warming Not in a microwave is better though.. like Dr Mercola?It was just a htouht that maybe the whey powder might have caused a too high a tryptophan-serotonin etc level if someone already on SSRI or some pdrug especially?
Posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2007, at 22:58:29
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein, posted by tealady on April 14, 2007, at 22:36:23
tealady so if you're on an SSRI and valium and xanax not a good thing directly at bedtime. I had thought that maybe the protein in water would keep blood sugar stable throughout the night and better sleep. Sounds like I'm on too many med for that am I correct? Love Phillipa
Posted by Jay on April 19, 2007, at 20:17:49
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein » tealady, posted by Phillipa on April 14, 2007, at 22:58:29
Phillipa, I think any protein powder (incl. Whey) has a high amount of the amino acid l-glutamine (or glutamic acid?) I'd be very careful with this stuff, as it has thrown me into a deep, anxiety-ridden depression everytime I take it. The glutamine erases the effects of calming aminos like Trytophan.(the precurser to serotonin). Also, glutamine is highly stimulating in the brain, and when someone has a stroke, massive amounts of this are released in the brain, which causes the brain damage.
Posted by Phillipa on April 19, 2007, at 20:23:34
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein..caution... » Phillipa, posted by Jay on April 19, 2007, at 20:17:49
Jay oh wow and I thought it was calming . Is soy the same? Never again thanks for the warning. Love Phillipa
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 21, 2007, at 11:10:42
In reply to More Whey Protein, posted by Phillipa on April 13, 2007, at 22:09:36
> Would you think it good or bad for someone on multiple meds for sleep with severe insomnia to drink a glass of whey proten before bed? Love Phillipa
I would think it worth the experiment. Warm milk is highly regarded. Sometimes it's a collection of factors which works the best.
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 21, 2007, at 11:11:29
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein, posted by someday on April 14, 2007, at 0:57:47
> > Would you think it good or bad for someone on multiple meds for sleep with severe insomnia to drink a glass of whey proten before bed? Love Phillipa
>
>
> I tried that a few days ago, and I got very very sick from it. I did some research and I found out that concentrated whey protein contains free glutamate, which when taken in large dosage can lead to MSG intolerance symptoms. After 24 hours, symptoms are subsided but it was some horrible thing I would never go thru. Sigh...what am I gonna do with that big can full of whey protein?
> What a waste of money :(Lower doses? Taken with meals?
Lar
Posted by Larry Hoover on April 21, 2007, at 11:18:31
In reply to Re: More Whey Protein..caution... » Phillipa, posted by Jay on April 19, 2007, at 20:17:49
> Phillipa, I think any protein powder (incl. Whey) has a high amount of the amino acid l-glutamine (or glutamic acid?) I'd be very careful with this stuff, as it has thrown me into a deep, anxiety-ridden depression everytime I take it. The glutamine erases the effects of calming aminos like Trytophan.(the precurser to serotonin). Also, glutamine is highly stimulating in the brain, and when someone has a stroke, massive amounts of this are released in the brain, which causes the brain damage.
I'm sorry to hear of your bad reaction, Jay. I just want to caution readers that glutamate is the ionized form of l-glutamic acid. A different amino acid is known as l-glutamine. Glutamine has some properties quite opposed to glutamate, although they share some biochemistry via possible interconversion.
Lar
Posted by Sebastian on May 12, 2007, at 0:15:06
In reply to More Whey Protein, posted by Phillipa on April 13, 2007, at 22:09:36
NO! Protein wakes you up. Try, dairy, or carbs.
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