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Posted by vines123456 on September 26, 2005, at 18:31:24
Has anyone heard of Anxietol 7? It is suppose to be an alternative to anti-anxiety meds. I found it on the Consumer Health Digest website and it looks interesting.
Posted by nolvas on September 26, 2005, at 19:52:30
In reply to Anxietol 7, posted by vines123456 on September 26, 2005, at 18:31:24
Well I'm never impressed by these type of products. I think they are a cynical way making money out of people who suffer a real and distressing condition namely anxiety.
The main ingredients in this product are SunTheanine which is basically L-Theanine and Sensoril whose main ingredient seems to be Ashwhaghanda.
Both of these ingredients are reputed to lessen anxiety. I have tried L-Theanine and it does nothing for me at all. I would like to try Ashwagandha. All the ingredients in this product you can get in bulk and cheaper.
I personally have found simple Magnesium Glycinate very beneficial in lessening anxiety. I also have read many studies saying Flaxseed oil is great for Agoraphobia which is obvious a very severe anxiety condition. It takes about 2 months of daily use to help with the condition the studies suggest.
If you want some alternative non drug options for dealing with Anxiety then this page lists many :
http://www.netriceuticals.com/articles.asp?id=16
Posted by KaraS on September 27, 2005, at 7:53:24
In reply to Re: Anxietol 7, posted by nolvas on September 26, 2005, at 19:52:30
> Well I'm never impressed by these type of products. I think they are a cynical way making money out of people who suffer a real and distressing condition namely anxiety.
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> The main ingredients in this product are SunTheanine which is basically L-Theanine and Sensoril whose main ingredient seems to be Ashwhaghanda.
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> Both of these ingredients are reputed to lessen anxiety. I have tried L-Theanine and it does nothing for me at all. I would like to try Ashwagandha. All the ingredients in this product you can get in bulk and cheaper.
>
> I personally have found simple Magnesium Glycinate very beneficial in lessening anxiety. I also have read many studies saying Flaxseed oil is great for Agoraphobia which is obvious a very severe anxiety condition. It takes about 2 months of daily use to help with the condition the studies suggest.
>
> If you want some alternative non drug options for dealing with Anxiety then this page lists many :
>
> http://www.netriceuticals.com/articles.asp?id=16
>
>
That's a decent list of natural anxiolytics. I would take some of that information in that article with a grain of salt however. For instance, it says that ALL agoraphobics have dry skin. That's just not true. I'm agoraphobic whenever I go off of medication and since I was a teenager (I'm middle-aged now) I've had oily skin.
Posted by Chairman_MAO on September 28, 2005, at 14:34:58
In reply to Re: Anxietol 7, posted by nolvas on September 26, 2005, at 19:52:30
Mentat/MindCare by himalaya has tons of clinical studies to back it up. I can't wait to order it.
Properly applied, herbal medicine is no more or less "B.S." than medicine wtih "drugs". It's all psychoactive one way or another
Posted by nolvas on September 28, 2005, at 20:49:34
In reply to Re: Anxietol 7 » nolvas, posted by Chairman_MAO on September 28, 2005, at 14:34:58
Yeah I have seen Mentat mentioned before by a fella called Vikram who posted on usenet. He is a proponent of ayurvedic remedies and here are a couple of his posts I dug up from usenet. One mentions that he takes mentat and the other is his list of anti anxiety ayurvedic herbs.
If you have any more information to add about these herbs I would be grateful to hear about it, as Vikram says these are not well known like kava, but again more interesting supplements to add to the arsenal of anti anxiety remedies :)
Posted by teejay on September 29, 2005, at 6:52:50
In reply to Re: Anxietol 7 » nolvas, posted by Chairman_MAO on September 28, 2005, at 14:34:58
I've found himilaya's own website and the mentat product. You are right, it does have loads of stuff in it!
I'm curious though, how good (or bad) their reputation is in the industry for quality of product and also, do you have links to any of this research on the product?
Thanks in advance
TJ
Posted by nolvas on September 29, 2005, at 7:08:17
In reply to Re: Anxietol 7 » Chairman_MAO, posted by teejay on September 29, 2005, at 6:52:50
Here is one study on mentat (found on pubmed) >
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=8045603&dopt=Abstract
Posted by Jakeman on September 30, 2005, at 23:39:44
In reply to Re: Anxietol 7, posted by nolvas on September 29, 2005, at 7:08:17
I just ordered some Mentat off ebay..will be my first foray into Ayurvedic treatments. I'll report back on my experience, I hope others do the same.
Here's a study summary from the Townsend Letter for Doctors and Patients:
Another study showed interesting results using an Ayurvedic formulation -- Mentat. In this study, 40 hyperactive children were enrolled in a double-blind placebo-controlled study to receive either an active drug Mentat or a placebo. One group of 20 received Mentat syrup and another a placebo. The drugs were given for 3 to 7 months in both groups. Evaluation was done on Yale's Behavior Inventory before and after the twelve weeks of treatment. It was observed that there was remarkable improvement in behavioral pattern along with an increase in concentration. There was significant reduction in hyperactivity, temper tantrums and improvement in language usage. Social behavior improved in those who received Mentat treatment as opposed to those on placebo. Mentat is an Ayurvedic formulation (Himalayan) that has been reported to be effective in disorders involving memory and attention.
(26.) Experience with Mentat in Hyperkinetic Children. Mrs. Renu B. Patel, M.D., D.C.H., Professor and Head of the Dept. of Pediatrics, Institute of Child Health, Grant Medical College and J.J. Group of Hospitals, Bombay And Mrs. Leela Pereira Medical and Psychiatric Social Worker
Posted by ravenstorm on October 9, 2005, at 18:37:51
In reply to Re: Anxietol 7 - Mentat, posted by Jakeman on September 30, 2005, at 23:39:44
Could you please post about your reactions to mentat when you try it?
Also, for me herbal stuff can have just as many side effects as meds if not more, so if anyone knows about side effects that would be helpful.
Posted by Jakeman on October 9, 2005, at 20:28:00
In reply to mentat, who else has tried it. side effects? » Jakeman, posted by ravenstorm on October 9, 2005, at 18:37:51
> Could you please post about your reactions to mentat when you try it?
>Sure. I think my order is coming from India so it may be a couple of weeks before I get it.
I was browsing the health food store last week and came across a product called StressCare, another ayurvedic formulation from the same company. http://www.himalayausa.com/products/stress/pg_1.html
While at work last week I took 1 Stresscare tablet on two consecutive afternoons. It had a mild calming effect somewhat like valium but not as strong. I was not at all cognitively impaired. I noticed that one of the ingredients is 'mucuna pruriens' that BarbaraCat and others have been discussing in another thread.
The biggest problem I've had with plant based formulations is poop-out. Many seem to work at first then lose their effectiveness.
warm regards ~Jake
Posted by ravenstorm on October 9, 2005, at 21:16:43
In reply to Re: mentat, who else has tried it. side effects? » ravenstorm, posted by Jakeman on October 9, 2005, at 20:28:00
Valerian and I just don't get on together. I can't imagine being able to take ANY product during the day that has valerian in it. I can't even take valerian at night and function the next day!! Plus it depresses the hell out of me.
Was also somewhat irked by the statement on the website that there are no side effects if taken as directed. Uh, excuse me, but any of the herbs listed as ingredients have potential side effects. . .including valerian~!
I'll check what the stress care has in it. Thanks!
Posted by verne on October 9, 2005, at 21:28:24
In reply to Re: mentat, crud it has valerian in it, posted by ravenstorm on October 9, 2005, at 21:16:43
I agree about Valerian. It is a heavy sedative for me. The quality of sleep is crappy since my body seems to fight it. I lay there half asleep listening to my heart pound.
It's great for those nights you want to stay up, unable to sleep, yet are too tired to do anything.
Verne
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