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Dr. Bob is Robert Hsiung, MD,
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Posted by ert on August 25, 2018, at 4:10:16
Dr. bob could give the deputies eg. the authority to delete posts and to handle those requests but for that the policy stated in the policies privacy and copyrights in the faq must be changed. The deputies could be contacted by babble mail.
Posted by Clearskies on August 28, 2018, at 18:27:24
In reply to deputies could handle delete requests, posted by ert on August 25, 2018, at 4:10:16
Not likely that any deputies (if there are any remaining) would be given such discretion, unless something has drastically changed.
Wouldnt that be nice?
Posted by alexandra_k on August 28, 2018, at 20:43:43
In reply to deputies could handle delete requests, posted by ert on August 25, 2018, at 4:10:16
I don't really understand.
You want some of your posts to be deleted.
Then what of the posts that other people have made, responding to your posts?
You want them to be deleted, as well?
At some point in the past you were well enough to follow the consent process, here, in order for to have managed to join the community, here, in order for you to post, at all.
But now, in hindsight, you would rather destroy it? Leave it witih gaping holes where your posts were, or, just get rid of the whole thing, entirely.
How many differnet posters have posted here, over the years, do you think? Many many many many many besides you. They all were well enough to follow the consent process to sign up... To choose to be members of the community here.
They can't say they didn't understand x or y or z because they needed to identify a rephrasing of that when they signed up...
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So... I wonder... What's up?
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Do you feel exposed, here? Like you have shared things with people and you are worried that other people will read snippits out of context and use that information to harm you?
I used to feel that way. I felt that my privacy here was very important to me, indeed. I was fearful that I would be locked out of various things if people found out about my posting here and if people read my contributions here.
I don't feel that way anymore. But I remember feeling that way.
Do you feel like that? Or something else...
I'm trying to understand where you are coming from on this.
Posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 2:54:01
In reply to Re: deputies could handle delete requests, posted by alexandra_k on August 28, 2018, at 20:43:43
Alexandra, it seems that u don't understand. U could go to law school in Auckland.
Posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 3:46:04
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 2:54:01
do you really think the quality of the database that dates back up to 20 years (that therapeutic value remains elusive and not proven) would diminish by deleting eg. this post
http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20151112/msgs/1099241.htmllater on ?
Posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 5:24:19
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 3:46:04
> do you really think the quality of the database that dates back up to 20 years (that therapeutic value remains elusive and not proven) would diminish by deleting eg. this post
> http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20151112/msgs/1099241.html
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> later on ?you could be a troublemaker Alex. You blame tourists, politicians, even cities and more for the sake of your unstable and erratic inner self.
Posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 5:30:05
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 5:24:19
> > do you really think the quality of the database that dates back up to 20 years (that therapeutic value remains elusive and not proven) would diminish by deleting eg. this post
> > http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20151112/msgs/1099241.html
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> you could be a troublemaker Alex. You blame tourists, politicians, even cities and more for the sake of your unstable and erratic inner self.
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>for the rest of your life.
Posted by SLS on August 29, 2018, at 6:56:54
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 5:30:05
> > > do you really think the quality of the database that dates back up to 20 years (that therapeutic value remains elusive and not proven) would diminish by deleting eg. this post
> > > http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20151112/msgs/1099241.html
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> > you could be a troublemaker Alex. You blame tourists, politicians, even cities and more for the sake of your unstable and erratic inner self.
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> for the rest of your life.
ERT:Alexandra challenged you in a civil and respectful manner.
- Scott
Posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 7:57:40
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by SLS on August 29, 2018, at 6:56:54
> > > > do you really think the quality of the database that dates back up to 20 years (that therapeutic value remains elusive and not proven) would diminish by deleting eg. this post
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> > > you could be a troublemaker Alex. You blame tourists, politicians, even cities and more for the sake of your unstable and erratic inner self.
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>I already said that she possesses for me the pattern of a lovely woman...
Posted by SLS on August 29, 2018, at 11:43:07
In reply to Re: sls, posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 7:57:40
> > > > > do you really think the quality of the database that dates back up to 20 years (that therapeutic value remains elusive and not proven) would diminish by deleting eg. this post
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> I already said that she possesses for me the pattern of a lovely woman...
Okay. I guess I misunderstood your comments.I am not always civil, but I try not to be. I'm not always successful.
:-)
- Scott
Posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 14:36:15
In reply to Re: sls, posted by SLS on August 29, 2018, at 11:43:07
it seems for me that both, sls and alexandra are very lovely.
if some money is made with this pbabble with its copyright infringements, then sls would certainly deserve some of it.
I never claimed to be perfect either.
:-)
Posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 15:15:07
In reply to Re: sls + alex, posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 14:36:15
have you already read this ?
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/08/27/denver-elementary-student-suicide/
the cyber-bullying on internet eg. facebook, bullying and blackmail took place. And sometimes it resulted in suicide.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:14:06
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by ert on August 29, 2018, at 5:24:19
> > do you really think the quality of the database that dates back up to 20 years (that therapeutic value remains elusive and not proven) would diminish by deleting eg. this post
> > http://dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20151112/msgs/1099241.html
> > later on ?> you could be a troublemaker Alex. You blame tourists, politicians, even cities and more for the sake of your unstable and erratic inner self.
I think I hear you, Ert.
That is what I used to fear, yes. That someone may read one or more of my posts, here, out of context, and form a really bad opinion of me.
I don't have that fear, anymore.
I mean, people might do that, yes. But, I'm fairly sure, the people who would do that, would only find some other reason to do that, if they are determined.
I don't live in fear of them, anymore.
I used to be afraid that someone would read my more personal posts about my fears and shames and so on. That someone might try and use that sort of knowledge about me to try and manipulate me or trap me in some way. Again, though, if people are determined to do such things, they will find their way to do such things.
I don't live in fear of them, anymore.
There was something in something that I'm not allowed to talk about... Something... About isolation and shame. And it got me thinking. There was no time for thinking. But it got me thinking about how while there are many goods to privacy one of the potential bads to privacy is shame. Shame is a private emotion. Sometimes making public what once was private is a way of... Alleviating... That source of shame.
Babble provided a safe setting for me with (even if only an illusion) of anonymity. In the first place. I was so ashamed about so many things I couldn't bear to see anybody else because I would only see a condemnation in them projected from me...
That whole process of working through was theraputic for me.
I would feel sad if the archives here were gone.
They provide a record. An account. Of what I promised never to forget. To little me.
Sometimes I have read back through archives significantly... Mostly now that is a... Reminiscence... Well, it's time consuming and sort of distressing. If I feel like a good cry, well okay...
There is the potential that someone reads things and it helps them.
I think the boards might be better for having a little... Less of me in them. I feel bad for myself spamming everywhere... Now that the boards have less other people posting so frequently...
I think if people were to read a selection of my posts here they would find a decent human being. What do you guys think? I guess you know aspects of me pretty well. Do you think I'm a nut job and I'd make a horrible doctor - from what you know of me?
I guess it's hard because you don't know of me in that role, if that makes any sense...
But, yeah. I think more good than harm is likely to come from my posting here.
Anyone who doesn't know that people grow and develop and work through and so on... Well... They've got some of that to be doing themselves.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:24:34
In reply to Re: alexandra » ert, posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:14:06
> > You blame tourists, politicians, even cities and more for the sake of your unstable and erratic inner self
I have learned to ask the question: If I believe that: Who profits?
Other people profit for my internalising the blame. It makes me weak and powerless. It makes me feel whiney and feel self-pity. It makes me want to curl up in bed and hide and mope.
But I feel like my eyes have been opened. To who profits from my feeling that way? And that helps me feel more resiliant with respect to people doing what they can to induce those feelings in me.
If I am unstable and erratic (and nobody has called me that for a long time) it's normal behavior for the settings I've found myself in. That's how come other people have been determined to keep themself out of those settings and for them to keep some other poor sucker in those settings.
I don't have to join them... But I do have to see what it is that many people are up to... So I am resilant towards them, yeah. I don't have to play those games... But I do have to realise those are the games that many people are playing so that I don't get suckered in.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:27:40
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:24:34
New Zealand politicians have been making it clear that New Zealand doesn't want more tourists. Doesn't want more immigrants.
Will take more refugees.
Will take more people to treat like garbage, in other words.
Who are the refugees? The oppressed people. The persectuted people.
They can come here and populate our slums. We will happily take them. They are less complain-y about things like clean drinking water, sanitation systems, healthy homes.
It's the low road to economic growth.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:43:32
In reply to Re: sls, posted by SLS on August 29, 2018, at 11:43:07
Hey, Scott. How are you doing?
Posted by SLS on August 31, 2018, at 7:25:03
In reply to Re: sls » SLS, posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:43:32
> Hey, Scott. How are you doing?
I have not been well.
Treatment changes did not go well. I have been doing poorly for over two months. My depression has become more severe, and I had a bad reaction to the antidepressant, Trintellix (vortioxetine). Trintellex produced a mental state that felt like a terrible zombie brain fog with anxiety. It really screwed me up. These adverse effects lasted well beyond the drug's discontinuation. I stopped taking Trintellex four weeks ago, and only now am I feeling better. I haven't been posting much. I have lost my will to fight, and at times struggle with suicidal thoughts.
I'm sorry that you feel oppressed in NZ.
Be well.
- Scott
Posted by ert on August 31, 2018, at 13:58:53
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by alexandra_k on August 30, 2018, at 23:24:34
> > > You blame tourists, politicians, even cities and more for the sake of your unstable and erratic inner self
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> I have learned to ask the question: If I believe that: Who profits?
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> Other people profit for my internalising the blame. It makes me weak and powerless. It makes me feel whiney and feel self-pity. It makes me want to curl up in bed and hide and mope.
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> But I feel like my eyes have been opened. To who profits from my feeling that way? And that helps me feel more resiliant with respect to people doing what they can to induce those feelings in me.
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> If I am unstable and erratic (and nobody has called me that for a long time) it's normal behavior for the settings I've found myself in. That's how come other people have been determined to keep themself out of those settings and for them to keep some other poor sucker in those settings.
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> I don't have to join them... But I do have to see what it is that many people are up to... So I am resilant towards them, yeah. I don't have to play those games... But I do have to realise those are the games that many people are playing so that I don't get suckered in.I have not read your posts from the pasts except the present. I do not like to read anything from other people other than that they write at the present. Maybe it seems a bit that you are recovering. At the end of such a process is a phase of release or leave hold of it. Most people think only short-sighted. they do not care much what will be in the years coming down the road. You will not be able to release your label and you can be prone to flashbacks or risks. However it is individual and also depended on what grounds someone is recovering or not recovering. Personally I would not care other people delete or leave hold because it is their own wish and I would not want to coerce somebody into doing something. Mileage may vary from age, gender, life situation this is besides what laws say
Posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2018, at 21:53:17
In reply to Re: sls » alexandra_k, posted by SLS on August 31, 2018, at 7:25:03
> I have not been well.
I am sorry to hear that.
> Treatment changes did not go well. I have been doing poorly for over two months.
Yes, I thought things had been tough for you over the last month or so.
I haven't heard of that medication under either of those names. We are very restricted in what medications are available here. We get some bulk negotiated... uh... shipment? or something... from Pharmac. Only it's not really bulk negotiated. If it was we would collectively bargain with Australia. One would have thought... Our government pays less on healthcare per head of our population than Australia does. Even the public aspects of the US, I think. But, then, I don't understand how one would factor in exchange rate...
Anyway... I really hope things feel better for you, soon. I do know how it feels to be so very tired of fighting.
It is hard to fight when it doesn't feel like your efforts are resuting in appreciable difference. But sometimes it's like winter, or something. Holding on for the winds to blow some change.
I'm glad you are still here.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2018, at 22:08:10
In reply to Re: alexandra, posted by ert on August 31, 2018, at 13:58:53
> You will not be able to release your label
That's right. So there is an element of my needing to face up to it, or be upfront about it, in the present. Instead of living in fear about when people will find out about my past / living in fear about whether they know about my past already.
There are people who like to prey on other people's weaknesses. Like how my Mother often liked to prey on mine, there are quite a lot of people like that. Those seeking to gain any advantage they can for themselves. If they can induce shame or guilt or fear in me, that makes it easier for them to control me. You gotta be able to stare them directly in the eyes and be like 'huh? what?' till they move along... Sometimes it's just about testing. People want to test you and see if they can upset you / get you to lash out / get you all riled up. I guess because they think that if they can get you to do those things then you won't be much use when they are feeling those things and those things are induced in you by... Induction. I guess I remember testing people... Testing clinicians... Genuinely hoping they would pass my tests and be a source of... Stability. More often than not they failed, however.
They failed. Do I belive I'd do a genuinely better job of it than of many of them? Yes. I do. Do I believe I'll every be as good as some of them? I can only hope. And work really hard.
> and you can be prone to flashbacks or risks.
Maybe. I guess. Sure. But everybody has got their issues. Or, if they don't, then it's unclear whether they have the experiences to understand a little of where the citizens of the health system may be coming from. The issue is in how I respond to those flashbacks or risks.
In NZ we are fond of saying that victims make persecuters. We were doing this government thing which involved identifying high risk victims. The infants of people who were Maaori, had been incarcirated, where transient / didn't stay put in their slum and so on. Putting a little label on those kids so we knew who to target to fill up our prison population down the track. We put a stop to it. Or, we put a stop to telling the public that that was what the government was doing. But there is a great deal of pressure from the government and other sources... To make sure that the great majority of people don't ever recover from being raised in poverty, yeah. I think those who are most ashamed of that... Who do most of what they can to hide that or forget that or not allow it to impact on them... Are those most likely to persecute. I'm talking about the government officials and so on who were raised in State Houses (for example) who went on to sell them off (to themselves) to keep them as slums so that people can be raised worse than they were.
Maybe I'm wrong... I'd rather be wrong. I'd rather people turn out to be... Better than I think they are. But I think my life has gone rather more badly than it should have because I trusted and assumed that people were better. That's a sad truth.
> Personally I would not care other people delete or leave hold because it is their own wish and I would not want to coerce somebody into doing something. Mileage may vary from age, gender, life situation this is besides what laws say
I guess. If Bob decided to pull the boards down, then I don't suppose I'd oppose that. But I think I would feel sad for it. I would grieve for it, somewhat. I like what he chose to do with the writing board. Archiving it. It is still there, but sort of nearer the back of the shelf. That's different from the fires of storage. I don't know.
How are you doing? What is the weather doing in your part of the world? How have natural disasters being treating you? Can you tell me something nice about your day?
Posted by ert on September 1, 2018, at 14:25:20
In reply to Re: ert » ert, posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2018, at 22:08:10
Maybe you are in your rebellion phase of your life, when you separate more and more from your upbringing and your mother. Better with telegram where the GDPR is respected and dmca complaints accepted.
Better you should check sporadically if you can live without this activity. It is possible.
Posted by ert on September 1, 2018, at 14:48:39
In reply to Re: sls » alexandra_k, posted by SLS on August 31, 2018, at 7:25:03
> > Hey, Scott. How are you doing?
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> I have not been well.
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> Treatment changes did not go well. I have been doing poorly for over two months. My depression has become more severe, and I had a bad reaction to the antidepressant, Trintellix (vortioxetine). Trintellex produced a mental state that felt like a terrible zombie brain fog with anxiety. It really screwed me up. These adverse effects lasted well beyond the drug's discontinuation. I stopped taking Trintellex four weeks ago, and only now am I feeling better. I haven't been posting much. I have lost my will to fight, and at times struggle with suicidal thoughts.
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> I'm sorry that you feel oppressed in NZ.
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> Be well.
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> - Scottwhen u change things then these thoughts maybe can increase. wish you strength and wish that u come over this bad phase and u adjust well to another med or without a med.
Posted by SLS on September 2, 2018, at 6:49:25
In reply to Re: sls, posted by ert on September 1, 2018, at 14:48:39
> > > Hey, Scott. How are you doing?
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> > I have not been well.
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> > Treatment changes did not go well. I have been doing poorly for over two months. My depression has become more severe, and I had a bad reaction to the antidepressant, Trintellix (vortioxetine). Trintellex produced a mental state that felt like a terrible zombie brain fog with anxiety. It really screwed me up. These adverse effects lasted well beyond the drug's discontinuation. I stopped taking Trintellex four weeks ago, and only now am I feeling better. I haven't been posting much. I have lost my will to fight, and at times struggle with suicidal thoughts.
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> > I'm sorry that you feel oppressed in NZ.
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> > Be well.
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> > - Scott
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> when u change things then these thoughts maybe can increase. wish you strength and wish that u come over this bad phase and u adjust well to another med or without a med.
Thanks.
- Scott
Posted by alexandra_k on September 5, 2018, at 4:27:15
In reply to Re: alex, posted by ert on September 1, 2018, at 14:25:20
> Maybe you are in your rebellion phase of your life, when you separate more and more from your upbringing and your mother.
Hmm. I think I'm genuinely past that. I did do a period of no contact at all, and then a period of only minimal contact. I actually have a bit more contact with her, now. I do need to try and keep it limited so it is of higher quality. But I can see some things in her that I genuinely like, that I also see and foster in myself. So, that is nice. It took years and years for me to be able to see / say that.
> Better with telegram where the GDPR is respected and dmca complaints accepted.
I think I might have a slightly better idea of where you are coming from, now. I have been reading some stuff on the TPPA (a trans-pacific trade deal) that was proposed, a few years back, now (like around 2010 or something) between the US and Australia and NZ and Chile and Vietnam and... I don't remember...
Anyway... As part of that there was an analysis of 'what's in it for us and what's in it for the various other players'. And it seemed that what was in it for us was more dairy exports to the US from our dairy giant. Which, actually, isn't something that is good for our country, in all honesty. Environmentally etc.
Anyway... So various things were raised about what was in it for other players. But more... Issues were raised about ways in which NZ could develop, if that makes sense. To be in the position to be a more equitable (haha)... A... more mutually beneficial trading partner.
Anyway... One of the things that came out was how we don't have the intellectual property (copyright, trademark, patient) laws that the US and Australia does. We don't acknowledge those countries intellectual propery laws... I didn't realise that other countries do. With respect to the zoning thing, I mean. The delay on video / movie releases and so on.
Anyway... Interestingly (I thought) whis was something that came up in the context of Pharmac. Bargaining for our access to pharmaceuticals. I didn't realise... We basically just source cheap generics and simply do not contribute to the cost of development at all. Like, at all. We aren't even working to produce anything that might have benefit to others on the world stage. I mean, most of our kids don't get GED equivalency... Think that makes it likely they will go on to discover things in chemistry LMFAO.
So... Instead of NZ continuing to develop dairy for exports... We need to develop in these other ways, as well. Intellectual property to protect our developers and so on - otherwise they will simply be forced to split to other countries who will recognise their talent and protect their products and so on.
It helped me see that I haven't really been understanding what you are saying. There was something about how some exception was made so the internet could persist... So stuff like this site could be permanent - instead of every poster having complete control over whether others can view their posts or not.
My issues are more that it's a superficial facade when it comes to the information. I mean, it's still accessible to people with technical know-how it's just not publically viewable. On the other hand, it's not publically viewable anymore if the person doesn't want it to be.
I think I see what you are saying, I just mean to say. And I perhaps take your point.
Maybe this site will go away, one day. There will just be the fleeting stream of chat...
A... Pre-literate society. On the internet. Maybe things will have devolved to that.
I liked it for it's permanence. But, yeah, there are issues here that run deep. I see that.
can live without Babble. I do check that sporadically. When I'm in flow with my work I don't post here, much. It's more when I'm struggling a bit. Writing philosophy, now, gets me... Back in a place before... It makes it harder for me not to fall back in old (bad) habits. I have managed not to take up smoking, again, but have been drinking sporadically, too, and that was gone before replaced completely by exercise.
But, yeah, I'll be okay, no matter how things turn out with this site :-)
> Better you should check sporadically if you can live without this activity. It is possible.
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Posted by alexandra_k on September 5, 2018, at 4:48:28
In reply to Re: ert » ert, posted by alexandra_k on August 31, 2018, at 22:08:10
> Maybe. I guess. Sure. But everybody has got their issues. Or, if they don't, then it's unclear whether they have the experiences to understand a little of where the citizens of the health system may be coming from. The issue is in how I respond to those flashbacks or risks.
And of course they aren't citizens of the health system, at all:
They are peoples.Took me a while hahahaha.
Or, as I like to think of them, for our constitutional document (yet to be written) that will need to be written as something of a pre-condition for our being able to honour the Treaty of Waitangi properly since it's a pre-condition for anybody honouring treaties at all...
'all y'all a yous'
Which is a sort of a hybrid of NOrth Carolina (all y'all) and NZ ('a' short for 'of' and 'yous' which is a plural of you just like 'y'all is).
yep.
but we could just call them 'people's /peoples', i s'pose.
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