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Posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by undopaminergic on December 23, 2020, at 2:25:10
Yeah I can't really contribute anything useful here. When I am under great distress, I usually pray. God is a great listener.
Somehow this board has gone from Antidepressants to controlled substances
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:53:22
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
Can't help you with those. I avoid them.
Posted by undopaminergic on December 23, 2020, at 7:20:51
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
> Yeah I can't really contribute anything useful here. When I am under great distress, I usually pray. God is a great listener.
>In my experience, yes, I do feel God is always listening, but he seems to be roused into action in my life only when I'm feeling good already, and not when I am down and really *need* his help. It seems to me that he's a fun-loving sort of a guy.
One prank he pulled on me was to make me lose my iPod, and then give it back -- I dropped it outdoors and couldn't find it, but later it was in a cabinet indoors as if it had never been gone at all. I'm sure skeptics would say I dreamt or hallucinated the loss. I guess that is a possibility I can't dismiss, but does that matter? In either case, I experienced it all the same, and it seemed every bit as real as sitting here now writing this. If it wasn't an example of God's work, it was an example of the immense, god-like, powers of the mind, to be able to play such as trick on me!
-undopaminergic
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 13:47:01
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by undopaminergic on December 23, 2020, at 7:20:51
Hmm, I pray in bad times and later when my life is fine again I realize, that this "guy" doesn't let me down at least not in the long haul. So then I feel the praying helped. Sometimes we need to learn tough lessons. I trust that "he" will make the right choices for everyone involved.
Posted by Hugh on December 24, 2020, at 15:34:45
In reply to Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by jay2112 on December 21, 2020, at 22:02:06
The beta-blocker pindolol is showing promise as a treatment for alcohol addiction, and for depression and anxiety. It hasn't been tested as a treatment for other addictions, but it might be worth a try. The dose usually used is 7.5 mg once per day.
https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-blood-pressure-drug-problem-drinkers.html
A thread about pindolol:
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 24, 2020, at 22:30:45
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by Hugh on December 24, 2020, at 15:34:45
Jay
Naltrexone is a good med for keeping you sober. They used it alot with addiction cases. You probaly may of heard of it. May just ask about it. Use disapline and resist and block urges to take oxy's.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 26, 2020, at 13:01:57
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 24, 2020, at 22:30:45
i didnt mean that in insulting way, it sounded like it. Just look up naltrexone, just read on it ... that's all. I didnt mean that to be insulting
Posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 0:55:49
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by sigismund on December 22, 2020, at 19:47:51
Well, once I was on a high dose of Cymbalta (major norepinephrine agonist) and Wellbutrin (nor-dopamine agonist) both first thing in the morning (I need VERY high doses..I was on 120mg of Cymbalta!!) and it would push me through the day...but like a maniac!!..lol)...THEN at about 9pm, I would pop 35mg of the most potent SRI, Lexapro/Cipralex. 35 f'in mg's!!! It made me bathe in such a calm, relaxing high.....I would put on Madonna's Ray of Light disc, and cry for a bit....feel like I was in a beautiful trance...resolve some of my past trauma issues.
So, I am currently trying a high dose of Anafranil, a medium dose of Effexor, to get to that Serotonin high...where it starts to affect Oxytocin, the Love chemical. It worked in the past with high dose Prozac (120mg) and Nortriptyline (75 mg). I use(d) low dose Risperdal to kill the SRI 5-ht agonism..which is the 'irritable' serotonin receptor.
I figure, if I am going to try all this stuff, I am going to (safely) max the hell out of these drugs! Anyhow, just IMHO...YMMV, etc...
Jay
Posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 0:59:02
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by Hugh on December 24, 2020, at 15:34:45
> The beta-blocker pindolol is showing promise as a treatment for alcohol addiction, and for depression and anxiety. It hasn't been tested as a treatment for other addictions, but it might be worth a try. The dose usually used is 7.5 mg once per day.
>
> https://medicalxpress.com/news/2019-12-blood-pressure-drug-problem-drinkers.html
>
> A thread about pindolol:
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/20191019/msgs/1107190.htmlHugh....thanks so kindly for that!! I am going to look into Pindolol...as well as Trandate.....another beta-blocker.
Jau
Posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 1:07:26
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 23, 2020, at 3:51:13
> Yeah I can't really contribute anything useful here. When I am under great distress, I usually pray. God is a great listener.
>
> Somehow this board has gone from Antidepressants to controlled substancesLamdage...drugs are drugs are drugs. In Canada, many of these things are not as tightly as 'controlled'. And, I am a mental health and addictions counsellor. It is called 'Concurrent Disorders'. And, that is great you have your belief in your god. I am faithless...but I cling to hope..and I believe in love...and that is faith enough for me. Vive la différence!!
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 1:57:40
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » Lamdage22, posted by Jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 1:07:26
That is helpful as well. Just believing in SOMETHING- (other than drugs).
> but I cling to hope..and I believe in love...and that is faith enough for me. Vive la différence!!
Posted by jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 20:30:26
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 1:57:40
> That is helpful as well. Just believing in SOMETHING- (other than drugs).
>
> > but I cling to hope..and I believe in love...and that is faith enough for me. Vive la différence!!
>
>I apologize...reading that over I sounded very critical. Yes, one of my main problems is developing relationships. I am 51, and I really have no friends...no romantic relationships...I am trying so, so hard to have these things. But, I feel quite useless. The only things I have are my music, and books. I may have precious little..but it's still precious. Women don't seem to care much about these things...especially for a guy like me on disability benefits. They want $$$$, LOTS of 'success', etc, etc. Otherwise..I am just a bottom-feeder. :(
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 23:46:44
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » Lamdage22, posted by jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 20:30:26
Its ok, I will survive.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:02:27
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 30, 2020, at 23:46:44
Yeah friends... I think they often don't know what is going on with us and how to behave. It is really hard to connect with people when you are tormented with psychological distress. And if people can't connect, then they see no point in meeting. I don't blame them. Now that I am doing much better, people stick around more. It can be a vicious circle or the opposite if you are doing well.
The suffering that can be seen on psychobabble is sometimes hard to digest. I wish I could help, but most of the time I can't. I stick around for the talk about alternative treatments. People post it on the meds board, which is something I don't dare.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:06:43
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:02:27
Maybe I can help, but people don't want that kind of help. For whatever reason.
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:14:59
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:06:43
It is not possible to help if people don't want the help or firmly believe that the help won't help. However, with meds and drugs, they are much less critical.
Posted by jay2112 on December 31, 2020, at 4:02:29
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 0:14:59
> It is not possible to help if people don't want the help or firmly believe that the help won't help. However, with meds and drugs, they are much less critical.
Well, it is hard with meds, because there is, like, a 'critical mass'...you take this juggling balance of meds, hoping, praying, it will do their job. There have been many times I have gone into, almost, remission, with a HUGE list of meds. But, when my dear parents passed a year apart, then I FELL apart BIG TIME!! On the day of my Mom's funeral, I took 30 mg's of Zyprexa, just praying it would do some kind of magic to stop me from crying. I cried every day for many months. The Zyprexa made it much worse. I just laid in bed, with my little dog, scared, unproperly medicated, for Oct, Nov, and Dec 2014. I had gotten a p/t job, I ventured out to once in a while. But, I got canned when I had THREE whooping full on panic attacks, and I begged co-workers to help me....and they treated me like crap...telling me to "straighten up", and I fell to pieces.
The thing is, as I posted before, in Zen, people's "realities" are just illusions..fake...and can be torn apart in minutes. I think EVERYBODY should be forced to experience deep trauma, to hopefully awaken their empathy. That is something like the movie 'The Minority Report'. Yes, I am "Damaged", but I am a much better person for it!! Be proud...love generously. OK...CUT...I am falling asleep...it is 5am on the east coast!! night night...
Posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 8:18:19
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » Lamdage22, posted by jay2112 on December 31, 2020, at 4:02:29
Right, I wouldn't recommend Vitamin C here.
> Well, it is hard with meds, because there is, like, a 'critical mass'...you take this juggling balance of meds, hoping, praying, it will do their job. There have been many times I have gone into, almost, remission, with a HUGE list of meds. But, when my dear parents passed a year apart, then I FELL apart BIG TIME!! On the day of my Mom's funeral, I took 30 mg's of Zyprexa, just praying it would do some kind of magic to stop me from crying. I cried every day for many months. The Zyprexa made it much worse. I just laid in bed, with my little dog, scared, unproperly medicated, for Oct, Nov, and Dec 2014. I had gotten a p/t job, I ventured out to once in a while. But, I got canned when I had THREE whooping full on panic attacks, and I begged co-workers to help me....and they treated me like crap...telling me to "straighten up", and I fell to pieces.
Posted by sigismund on January 1, 2021, at 0:06:56
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » Lamdage22, posted by jay2112 on December 30, 2020, at 20:30:26
>Otherwise..I am just a bottom-feeder. :(
One thing we can believe is that the ugly social psychology of winners and losers should be beneath us....these beliefs are simply not worthy of humanity....it's barbarism, isn't it?, and it is recent.
Posted by sigismund on January 1, 2021, at 0:19:36
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » Lamdage22, posted by jay2112 on December 31, 2020, at 4:02:29
>On the day of my Mom's funeral
On the day of my brothers funeral I was in no state for public speaking, nor did I feel any desire or need to testify. Through the grace of a friend I had some oxycodone. The compromise was the reading from Ecclesiastes 'To every thing....' I decided not to break down, that when I felt like that I would stop and look at the congregation. The 10 verses took more than 10 minutes. I recall pausing for a minute after.......'a time of war' because the next words are 'a time of peace', and I thought the congregation could wait until I could feel that it might be a possibility......why rattle that off? Painkiller necessary? Hell yes.
Posted by Lamdage22 on January 1, 2021, at 1:47:43
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on December 31, 2020, at 8:18:19
You either experience it yourself, or you study it and then gain knowledge through experience with patients. Those are the only two possibilities to understand. Im sure your coworkers didn't mean to do any harm.
> and I begged co-workers to help me....and they treated me like crap...telling me to "straighten up", and I fell to pieces.
>
Posted by jay2112 on January 9, 2021, at 21:47:53
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by sigismund on January 1, 2021, at 0:19:36
> >On the day of my Mom's funeral
>
> On the day of my brothers funeral I was in no state for public speaking, nor did I feel any desire or need to testify. Through the grace of a friend I had some oxycodone. The compromise was the reading from Ecclesiastes 'To every thing....' I decided not to break down, that when I felt like that I would stop and look at the congregation. The 10 verses took more than 10 minutes. I recall pausing for a minute after.......'a time of war' because the next words are 'a time of peace', and I thought the congregation could wait until I could feel that it might be a possibility......why rattle that off? Painkiller necessary? Hell yes.Oh, I had a good stash at home after the funeral. Dexedrine..I squashed back a handful, washed down with vodka at the wake. I saved my T3's for the evening. I can now barely remember...as I have my daily panic attack, and now I am going to turn to a hell of a lot more alcohol. Alcohol, I have just found out, is a good friend of mine. A nice handful of Xanax, say 7-8 mg's, would be my saviour tonight.
Posted by jay2112 on January 9, 2021, at 22:06:29
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » jay2112, posted by sigismund on January 1, 2021, at 0:06:56
> >Otherwise..I am just a bottom-feeder. :(
>
> One thing we can believe is that the ugly social psychology of winners and losers should be beneath us....these beliefs are simply not worthy of humanity....it's barbarism, isn't it?, and it is recent.In my little bubble, my tiny, filthy apartment, I would make that the first law...everyone deserves to be a winner...some way or another. Self-loathing, well, the nice little white and pink benzo's and painkillers take that away. For an evening, anyways. PURE barbarianism for sure!! I NEED my pills for armour..not little Prozac or whatever...just the ones that smother the hell out of the pain. Why won't they prescribe ME what I want...oh I know why...because the shrink get's his 14 million dollar chalet paid for everytime I go squirming back to him. The god damn pharmacy I goto, I just noticed a sticker on the door when I enter, has a "Community Narcotics Awareness" program going. So, yesterday, I phoned them up about my script's, which they keep telling the doctor 'oh...you can't prescribe this with this!!', and spoke to the pharmacist and told him there was a nice little place in Hell waiting for him, and then got my stuff transferred to another pharmacy. A place where they will LISTEN...to me, that is. My body..I will put in it what I want..if you are going to force me to live in this stupid, stupid arrangement of societal neo-fascism. But, I am smart enough to know I must live. I will fight on the beaches...etc. Sorry.
Jay
Posted by jay2112 on January 9, 2021, at 22:09:51
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation, posted by Lamdage22 on January 1, 2021, at 1:47:43
> You either experience it yourself, or you study it and then gain knowledge through experience with patients. Those are the only two possibilities to understand. Im sure your coworkers didn't mean to do any harm.
>
> > and I begged co-workers to help me....and they treated me like crap...telling me to "straighten up", and I fell to pieces.
> >
>
>But, these people were fellow social workers!! THEY DO know better...but still, they turn on their own. "Who is the next one we can throw under the bus?"!! :-(
Posted by sigismund on January 12, 2021, at 23:43:02
In reply to Re: Lamdage + Rj.. et al Dissociation » sigismund, posted by jay2112 on January 9, 2021, at 22:06:29
>to force me to live in this stupid, stupid arrangement of societal neo-fascism.
Exactly.
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