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Posted by hotagent339 on January 1, 2005, at 15:35:54
I am on Topamax and Lamictal. I hate the stigma of being labeled "mentally ill" (by my in laws) and am on it for anxiety. They think I am on it for bipolar because when you google it thats all you see. Can anyone tell me differently? There has never been a formal diagnosis of anything. My inlaws and I have been fighting for a very long time and I have written some mean emails because of my feelings towards them, hence their calling me mentally ill.
And get this, my husband has also looked up the medications I am on and has concluded that I am bipolar. He has done his own search and thinks that I am mentally ill and agrees with his parents. I am a very high functioning person. I run my own successful business, run my household with a toddler, volunteer with 2 organizations, and recently finished college with a 4.0. Its making me so mad that these people are labeling me due to the medications that I am on right now. Isnt it possible that I am on them due to anxiety (which they have helped me tremendously in that department due to the amount of stress I am under!!!)
thanks for your help. Happy new year
Molly
Posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2005, at 18:29:14
In reply to Stigma, posted by hotagent339 on January 1, 2005, at 15:35:54
Hey there. I don't think anyone likes the stigma of being labelled 'mentally ill'. Medications are used (typically) to alleviate particular symptoms, rather than being specific to particular disorders. The same symptom can occur across a variety of diagnoses (and indeed, in members of the 'normal' population) so the inference from a particular type of medication to a particular type of disorder is unwarranted. (Barring the medications which you need a certain diagnosis to be prescribed).
With respect to whether you are 'mentally ill' or not then I guess you would need to look at your social and occupational functioning. You say that you function pretty well, so then there wouldn't be grounds to diagnose you with a 'mental disorder'. That being said, sometimes people are caught at low points in their life and once you have been given a diagnosis it can be a real b*gg*r to try and get rid of it. I am pretty highly functioning, yet I consider myself to have a mental disorder.
Part of the journey is lifting the stigma that we put on ourselves.
Happy new year to you too :-)
Posted by zmg on January 1, 2005, at 19:18:03
In reply to Re: Stigma » hotagent339, posted by alexandra_k on January 1, 2005, at 18:29:14
Maybe its the old punk-rocker in me (or..em, immature) but f*ck em. What business is it of theirs anyway? EVERYONE has problems, your husband, his family, everyone. If they want to point at your medication its only their ignorance and their inability to accept their own (like the rest of us) ample short-comings.
Zach
Posted by chemist on January 1, 2005, at 21:35:15
In reply to Stigma, posted by hotagent339 on January 1, 2005, at 15:35:54
> I am on Topamax and Lamictal. I hate the stigma of being labeled "mentally ill" (by my in laws) and am on it for anxiety. They think I am on it for bipolar because when you google it thats all you see. Can anyone tell me differently? There has never been a formal diagnosis of anything. My inlaws and I have been fighting for a very long time and I have written some mean emails because of my feelings towards them, hence their calling me mentally ill.
>
> And get this, my husband has also looked up the medications I am on and has concluded that I am bipolar. He has done his own search and thinks that I am mentally ill and agrees with his parents. I am a very high functioning person. I run my own successful business, run my household with a toddler, volunteer with 2 organizations, and recently finished college with a 4.0. Its making me so mad that these people are labeling me due to the medications that I am on right now. Isnt it possible that I am on them due to anxiety (which they have helped me tremendously in that department due to the amount of stress I am under!!!)
> thanks for your help. Happy new year
> Mollyhello there, chemist here...tell your family that topamax is a drug categorized as an antiepileptic: this is true, as the drug is approved for use as an antiseizure medication, and an adjunct to a primary one at that (hence the utility prescribed off-label for mood disorders being of questionable validity, to say the least)....lamictal was approved as - yes - an antiepileptic drug, and only recently as a augmentation for prolonging the length of time between mood swings (broadly defined) in patients suffering from bipolar I disorder: it has been used as monotherapy, yet alone or in combination with a primary med for acute mania, lamictal does not prevent or diminish the mood swings but does appear to attenuate the frequency.
tell the folks you're epileptic and ask your psychiatrist why you are taking antiepileptic meds of limited if not no use for anxiety next time you visit: there are alternatives that actually work, and have been proven to be effective over a long period of time...all the best, chemist
Posted by Maxime on January 2, 2005, at 0:56:51
In reply to Re: Stigmata » hotagent339, posted by chemist on January 1, 2005, at 21:35:15
Don't feed the stigma. If the meds help, continue to take them and ignore the ignorance of your family.
I am mentally ill. I have bipolar illness and I am very open about it. I also have an IQ of 182. I have my masters degree and my PHd. Mental Illness is what it is. And yes, forms of anxiety disorders fall into that category.
Arguing with your family is only going to cause you more stress and may lead to more anxiety. They are not worth it.
Maxime
Posted by hotagent339 on January 2, 2005, at 10:14:09
In reply to Re: Stigmata » hotagent339, posted by chemist on January 1, 2005, at 21:35:15
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> hello there, chemist here...tell your family that topamax is a drug categorized as an antiepileptic: this is true, as the drug is approved for use as an antiseizure medication, and an adjunct to a primary one at that (hence the utility prescribed off-label for mood disorders being of questionable validity, to say the least)....lamictal was approved as - yes - an antiepileptic drug, and only recently as a augmentation for prolonging the length of time between mood swings (broadly defined) in patients suffering from bipolar I disorder: it has been used as monotherapy, yet alone or in combination with a primary med for acute mania, lamictal does not prevent or diminish the mood swings but does appear to attenuate the frequency.
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> tell the folks you're epileptic and ask your psychiatrist why you are taking antiepileptic meds of limited if not no use for anxiety next time you visit: there are alternatives that actually work, and have been proven to be effective over a long period of time...all the best, chemistHi Chemist,
I guess heres my dilemma. My inlaws and I have been fighting for quite some time now. We have written emails back and forth and they are emotionally dead. He is a big shot lawyer and cant understand that people have feelings. He only can argue facts of a situation. One of the emails I wrote to them was completely immature and was a release of pent up anger. My hubby never acted as an ambassador to our family so I was basically alone in my struggle. I was furious. So, my inlaws brought my emails to their psychologist and HE diagnosed me as mentally ill!
It didnt help that my husband broke a promise to me by telling them that I started seeing a psychiatrist. It only fueled the fire Im sure to their label of me. Im just furious that the meds Im on prove them right? This is the stigma that Im talking about. I firmly believe that I am just a highly emotional person put in a very stressful sitution with NO help. During all of this, I started my own business, raising a toddler, figuring out finances with my husband, etc.One thing I have noticed is that I have always bitten my nails..my whole life. Since being on these meds I have no desire to and actually have long, nice nails!! Is nail biting a sign of bipolar? I have found it to be a symptom of anxiety. I have tried lots of meds in the past to "fix me" like zoloft, welbutrin, etc but all with side effects like lack of sex drive. My husband would then get on me for not having a normal sex life so I got off of those. I also felt like a zombie.
Ive read the definitions of bipolar and the mania is NOT me at all!!!! I am a passionate person but nothing at all like the description Ive seen. On the flip side, I was down after my daughter was born and when I was in school not knowing which career to pursue. I can attribute many of my "down" times to specific things going on in my life. If anything, I need some coping skills, not meds and a label.
I know you said you were a chemist and not a therapist, so thanks for hearing me out. That said, any suggestions on the chemical side after hearing this??
Thanks,
Molly
Posted by Michael Bell on January 2, 2005, at 13:36:52
In reply to Stigma, posted by hotagent339 on January 1, 2005, at 15:35:54
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Mental illness is nothing more than a physical ailment of the brain. It is no different from epilepsy, diabetes, multiple sclerosis, heart defects, problems with the lungs, etc. Science is just now catching up to that premise. Sure, childhood issues effect personalities, but I have no doubt that nature bears more effect on "mental problems" than nurture. The brain is an extremely complex organ. It takes time to figure out which transmitter/structural/recptor/hormonal disfunction is reponsible for specific psychological disturbances.Individuals - husbands, wives and families included - who still view illnesses such as bipolarism, schizophrenia, social phobia, depression etc. are simply just not enlightened. I know what you're going through is painful, but I think that the way people view mental illnesses is going through a renaissance of sorts in which the mass public is beginning to see that these things are PHYSIOLOGICAL and CHEMICAL in nature and not some sort of mystical defect.
Good luck.
I am on Topamax and Lamictal. I hate the stigma of being labeled "mentally ill" (by my in laws) and am on it for anxiety. They think I am on it for bipolar because when you google it thats all you see. Can anyone tell me differently? There has never been a formal diagnosis of anything. My inlaws and I have been fighting for a very long time and I have written some mean emails because of my feelings towards them, hence their calling me mentally ill.
>
> And get this, my husband has also looked up the medications I am on and has concluded that I am bipolar. He has done his own search and thinks that I am mentally ill and agrees with his parents. I am a very high functioning person. I run my own successful business, run my household with a toddler, volunteer with 2 organizations, and recently finished college with a 4.0. Its making me so mad that these people are labeling me due to the medications that I am on right now. Isnt it possible that I am on them due to anxiety (which they have helped me tremendously in that department due to the amount of stress I am under!!!)
> thanks for your help. Happy new year
> Molly
Posted by yellowbrickroad on January 2, 2005, at 15:05:36
In reply to Re: Stigmata, posted by hotagent339 on January 2, 2005, at 10:14:09
Mental health professionals aren't supposed to diagnose people they don't actually treat.
It's possible he didn't do that, anyway. It's possible that they asked this guy to supply a theory and he threw out some information...it's impossible to know what he really said when the information was given to you out of context and realayed to you third-hand.
I'm angry on your behalf that your husband is not doing a good job of acting like he's on your side (I always think that spouses should stick up for each other in front of parents...you're a TEAM).
Anyway, if they're sticking you with labels of any kind, it's probably their way of gaining power in the family hierarchy. If it wasn't mental illness, maybe it would be something else.
And "chemist" has a good point about off-label uses for drugs. In fact, if you used your in-laws' logic, then every man who took Rogaine before it was approved for marketing as a hair-loss remedy would HAVE to have a heart condition. That's what the drug was created for. The baldness cure was a side-effect.
YBR
Posted by yellowbrickroad on January 2, 2005, at 15:16:13
In reply to Re: Stigmata, posted by hotagent339 on January 2, 2005, at 10:14:09
But if your in-laws have their OWN psychologist, then...what's their diagnosis?
Happy, well-adjusted citizens who get a kick out of undermining their son's wife?!
YBR
Posted by jasmineneroli on January 2, 2005, at 17:05:53
In reply to And wait a minute... » hotagent339, posted by yellowbrickroad on January 2, 2005, at 15:16:13
The personality and lifestyle you describe sounds a lot like me........I have Generalized Anxiety Disorder.
Here are some facts:
1) People (like me) have GAD type personality (driven, energetic, overly conscientious control freaks, usually very bright) all their lives with no problem. Usually it all breaks down into anxiety attacks, panic or general overwhelmed feelings, after prolonged stress - from ANY source.
2) When it breaks down like that, so you can't cope without medication, it is then a DISORDER.
3) You may be able to function fine again without the meds, but you may need the meds for the rest of your life, because your brain chemistry has been altered by the prolonged stress/anxiety.
4)Anti-seizure medication is often prescribed for anxiety, but there are a whole range of meds that might help. As chemist says, ask your doctor for an exact diagnosis and research/ask for other medication suggestions.Your family needs to consider that they may have contributed to your excessive stress and anxiety. It may well be a factor into tipping you over the edge to an anxiety disorder!
Your family needs to be educated about Generalized Anxiety Disorder and other anxiety disorders. I bet if they were to read the DSM iv descriptions of GAD and all other mood disorders they could probably find that they, too, have a "mental illness"! Or at the very least, recognize traits within themselves that might develop into such disorders!What you need is acceptance and suppport, not labelling and criticism. You are a functioning individual in society.......so what's their problem?????? Would they rather you be an insulin dependant diabetic, who needs to take insulin shots everyday to function? OR have congestive heart failure and take clonidine and lasix everyday to survive. Is a chronic physical disorder more socially acceptable than a mood disorder? Probably.
Be at peace with who you are, and with what you need to do, to survive. They're the ones with problems.
Take care,
Jas
Posted by banga on January 2, 2005, at 18:20:03
In reply to Re: And wait a minute..., posted by jasmineneroli on January 2, 2005, at 17:05:53
I think you definitely need to ask your psychiatrist, what they think the diagnosis might be for now and why these meds were prescribed. There is a wide range of problems and difficulties meds can be prescribed for, including as temporary remedies for temporary life adjustment issues. Right now you and your in-laws are needing to do a lot of guesswork..as someone already said, there is no way someone can give you a diagnosis without seeing you.
I know it is easier said than done, but I think for yourself it would be good to step back, take a breath, and first find out for yourself what is going on, what the doc says. When you have clearer answers, you can better decide how to work through this issue with your in-laws. Is there a reason why the in-laws' idea of your having mental illness is particularly problematic right now (say, questioning your ability in being with your kids or something), or is it simply upsetting that they are all riled up and triggering all kinds of nasty e-mails? I would try to step back from the situation---it's more important for YOU to understand what is going on, and how YOU feel about it and how your doc sees things, and LATER worry what your in-laws think and feel and how to deal with that. Stigma are not easy to deal with. In a perfect world people would think of mental ailments just as they would any other physical illness--no big deal, you have it so you treat it. But we are not in a perfect world, people will react in all kinds of ways, often in not so helpful ways.
As I said, easier said than done but first take care of yourself, try to brush off all this noise from the in-laws. But not in an angry manner, even if you are mad. Probably, telling them to f*** off wont help-just will give them more reason to say "see! youre not well!!", try to do it more calmly and say you need space for a while, you'll talk about all this later with them when everyone is calmer.
talk to your doctor, ask what he/she thinks is the trouble, how does he/she see it affecting you, what he/she hopes these meds will do for you.
Just some thoughts...it felt like more than anything you need to step back and take some deep, deep breaths....
Posted by anneL on January 2, 2005, at 21:25:48
In reply to Stigma, posted by hotagent339 on January 1, 2005, at 15:35:54
I relate to the issues you have with your inlaws and your husband. Many people (myself included) who have GAD and other anxiety disorders have distortions in the way we process incoming data. We make assumptions about ourselves and others, overmagnify a situation until it becomes larger than life and then find ourselves in a sticky situation (a hastily fired off email to the inlaws). Your diagnosis and the meds you take are between you and your doctor. To fight back and get your own life back, I recommend, "Feeling Good - The New Mood Therapy".
You have at least 1,000 different ways in which to manage the controlling inlaws without it affecting your sense of well-being.
Stay in touch,
:) anneL
Posted by banga on January 2, 2005, at 22:12:17
In reply to Re: Stigma, posted by banga on January 2, 2005, at 18:20:03
PS remember that the meds you are taking are in the class of mood stabilizers. That is precisely what they are intended to do--stabilize peaks and valleys, whether the peaks are true mania or simply agitation and irritability--regardless of the reason. So if the in-laws need a quick note in the meantime, you could say its a mood stabilizer to just even things out for now, it does not necessarily imply a specific diagnosis.
But as another poster just said--this subject is truly between you and your doc.
Posted by hotagent339 on January 3, 2005, at 14:02:36
In reply to Re: Stigma PS, posted by banga on January 2, 2005, at 22:12:17
First of all, I want to thank you for the HUGE support you've all given me! I never thought Id be reading so many perspectives and emails on this subject.
Heres what went down. My inlaws have no idea what boundries are. I got fed up and wrote them an initial email bullet pointing the things that have bothered me for the past 2 years. Then I waited...and waited...so I followed it up with another email saying how disappointed I was that there was no response from them. I was hurt by them just ignoring me. After a month or so, my husband was told that I wasnt welcome to their house anymore but our 2 year old daughter and himself were...my husband, Mike's, grandmother was coming for a visit and thats when the message was relayed.
After 2 months of hateful feelings on my part, his dad, a big time corporate finance laywer with a HUGE firm, finally wrote me back. He went on to explain point by point the situations I explained in my original email. Basically, NOT validating any of my feelings. Typical lawyer fashion of arguing facts and not considering the possiblity that people could ever have hurt feelings! OH NO! No one has ever stood up to Jim.
So, in response to that horrible, insenative, arrogant, "we can do no wrong," immature email from them, I went off the deep end, as you might say, and wrote a nasty, over the top one myself, parts of which now Im embarssed I wrote. I was furious with him for the things they have said and done, and how they have ignored me for the past 4 months. His mom is a peditrician as well. Both are high achieving people and come from a very patriarcial, meddling families. Even after bringing to their attention things they have done since writing to them, they have crossed the same lines again with Mike...they just dont get it!!!
Mike tried to assert himself after he saw how his parents were treating me, and after our therapist showed him, and wrote them an email. His parents suggested we all go to counseling. Mike told them that if we do go it would not be some sort of court room battle for them to get some sort of right/wrong type of vindication. My inlaws wanted to go over all of the emails sent which meant that we would only be moving backwards, not forwards. We agreed to the counseling and foolishly I said to them, "bring it on". I followed that up with an explanation that it wasnt meant in any certain tone and we were very much excited to work this out in therapy. They then backed out and that started the trouble again...That was Thanksgiving time.
Thats when they started seeing a psychologist. Im sure they brought the email I wrote in anger and thats when I was labled "mentally Ill." Also, since I went back and forth a few times on "I hate you, Ill try and be nice, to I hate you for backing out" they see me as unstable. Being on meds has only fueled their belief that I am mentally ill. (like an idiot, Mike broke a promise and told them I was seeing a psychiatrist and was on meds...ARGH!!!)
They look down upon me, as you can imagine. I dont know why I care so much....Like I said...they are very high achieving individuals...very snobby, rich, and come from a culture where you dont talk about problems, you just sweep them under the rug...in my opinion at least. They say that its not true but that I completely handled it the wrong way, which I may have, but my hubby never stepped in when I needed him to. I was left to deal with it all by myself with all of this bottled up inside. Its all a tangled ball of yarn.
It seems that I am the scape goat in this. "Medicate Molly and all is well! Molly is the sick one and once she is in control everything will be fine! There is NOTHING wrong with us, we are perfect and poised." Its degrading. Therefore, add that to raising a toddler, moving into a new house, starting and maintaining my own insurance agency, playing in an orchestra, volunteering as a rape counselor, etc. You get the point.
Get this. Before we bought the house, my father in law said he'd give us $10,000 to help out. He knew where the house was that we wanted. We made the offer and got the papers rolling. The next day he pulled his offer off of the table saying "The offer was for a house that I approved of and was in an neighborhood that I approved of." That is the type of people Im dealing about...sick eh?? Enough stress to make anyone angry off. I mean, How arrogant and judgmental?. The house his own SON wanted?..We got the house because we really didnt need the money but it would have been nice.
Anyway, thanks for your ears...or should I say eyes. Im going to look into this GAD. What I like about the Topamax is the weight loss thing. Ive lost like 8 lbs and I LOVE IT!!!!! Thats the main reason I want to stay on it and not rock the boat on this stuff. Is that wrong? It does make me feel more calm too. Like the title of my email, I hate the names they are calling me...mentally ill. I believe my lifestyle and my inlaws drove me to this stress level.
Molly
Posted by yellowbrickroad on January 3, 2005, at 15:23:45
In reply to Re: Stigma PS » banga, posted by hotagent339 on January 3, 2005, at 14:02:36
That's a lot to deal with. I can certainly feel the stress coming through the screen. I'm sorry that your in-laws are so controlling. I certainly wouldn't appreciate such manipulations. I imagine that it must feel especially tough because they have some outwardly visible signs of success, and they sound like they are very willing to use these in a power struggle.
Forgive me if this is too personal of a remark, but I really think your husband ought to play for "Team Molly", as he is your life partner now, and not theirs. If he doesn't want to fight them, he doesn't have to. But he can certainly make the rule that "I don't go anywhere my wife is not welcome, and neither will our child." Maybe Mike's grandma can pay a visit to your home while she's in town (if you do, in fact, live in the same town as his parents).
I hope you have some friends who are supportive, so that you don't feel like it's you against the whole world. Also, it's good to have people to remind you that you, too, are very successful in life.
A grown woman should have to put her tail between her legs for anyone, not even rich in-laws. If you know that you're successful, you're a good wife to their son, and you're a good mother to their grandchild, then why shouldn't you hold your head up high? You have nothing to be ashamed of.
I wish you strength.
YBR
Posted by yellowbrickroad on January 3, 2005, at 15:25:54
In reply to Wow » hotagent339, posted by yellowbrickroad on January 3, 2005, at 15:23:45
Clarification: A grown woman should *not* have to put her tail between her legs for anyone.
Oops.
Posted by banga on January 3, 2005, at 20:33:43
In reply to Re: Wow » yellowbrickroad, posted by yellowbrickroad on January 3, 2005, at 15:25:54
You really are dealing with a LOT. Im so sorry your in-laws are...well, the way they are. It must be both infuriating and hurtful at the same time. It still amazes me how arrogant and clueless ('arrogantly clueless' perhaps?) people can be. And som,etimes not even all that clueless but simply mean.
As you seemed to say, it doesnt sound like they are ready and able to work through any meaningful discussion in a normal way at this point, try to step back and continue what you are doing--taking care of yourself first!
Boy, I am so tempted to try the Topomax for weight loss to counteract weight gain from other drugs. I just fear what some have complained about in terms of side effects of Topomax--cognitive difficulties. I already am in an absent-minded fog as it is. It sounds as though for now it is working OK for you though?
Posted by hotagent339 on January 4, 2005, at 0:21:29
In reply to Re: Wow, posted by banga on January 3, 2005, at 20:33:43
Thanks for you message. I did make some attempt to show that I am slowly warming up..I sent them a link to some Christmas photos that were taken at my family's house for Christmas. My husband when to their house but Claire, our daughter, and I were not to be part of their festivities. Im sure they were jealous of the fun Xmas we had with my family but oh well.
I hope they think the photos are a good will gesture and not a "rub it in your face" type thing. My father in law gets back to his office tomrrow so he'll see them then. My husband has promised to let me know if/when he hears feedback from his dad about the photos. We'll see..Ill let ya know what I find out! Our therapist has suggested that I send little emails or we send cards with ALL of our signatures on it to show we are "coming around" or being the bigger people in this situation to work things out. I guess its to show them that I am "calm" and not neurotic to fly off the handle. Like I said, Im the WHOLE problem. Sure...With the help of all of you, I have made the decision to say, "F*** them!" in my head. I dont need their approval and I never have. I knew that in my head but I let it get the best of me. I was really mad that Mike didnt step up for me in the beginning. At least Im beginning to realize where most of my anger should be placed.
I think the incident with the money and the recinding of the offer house was the straw that broke the camels back. I was so angry after that and thats when I wrote the letter that got this all started. My father in law has applogized to Mike but has never said a word to ME about it...Mike and I are a team...He still treats us like Mike is the ONLY one who runs things. Fact is, I am the one. Mike wouldnt remember to tie his shoe if I didnt tell him to! haha Im the super organized one and efficent one. I have to be to remember everthing for our household and to run my business by myself.
Anyway, on to the Topmax. I have noticed that spelling is weird for me now. I have never had a problem with it and now when it comes to longer more complex words I have to stop and really think about them. Thank goodness for spell check eh? Its not enough to make me stop taking it though. I am going to look up GAD after Im done writing this. Other than that, I think Im OK. I get thirsty more often and want more to drink. I also find that alcohol isnt as appealing. I could have a few drinks before but now I get super thirsty and dont feel great the next day. I know im not supposed to drink on meds like these but a glass of wine here and there wont kill me Im sure.
I love this message board and all the support it brings!! I cant thank you enough!
Molly
Posted by eeyorena on January 4, 2005, at 1:42:37
In reply to Re: Wow, posted by hotagent339 on January 4, 2005, at 0:21:29
Molly--
wow. Wow. wow. You are under an INCREDIBLE amount of stress. This does not necessarily mean that you are "mentally ill." This means that you are normal. If you had all of this going on and were emotionally numb to it, I would have to wonder about that. It is sometimes VERY healthy to be angry. It is how we direct that anger that can work for us or against us. I loved the book, "Dance of Anger" by Harriett Goldhor-Lerner. Easy read. Lots of simple case studies and ideas. Very practical and affirming.
I am offically mentally ill :) I'm very high functioning but...there it is. Chronic depression and anxiety with a lot of survival and coping mechanisms that allowed me to "kind of" hide my depression for years.
I'm not ashamed anymore. I do have a very supportive husband and in-laws (it's my own family that has the issues) so that makes it easier. I know other HF depressives who I really admire. Plus, I'm Irish and have cultivated a dark sense of humor about the whole thing.
Here are some things I put together about how I regard my depression which will hopefully make you laugh.
http://happynothappy.blogspot.com/2004/12/top-ten-reasons-i-can-go-with.html
take very good care of YOURSELF! Later...E
Posted by Dr. Bob on January 4, 2005, at 17:59:02
In reply to Re: Wow, posted by eeyorena on January 4, 2005, at 1:42:37
> wow. Wow. wow. You are under an INCREDIBLE amount of stress...
Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to redirect follow-ups not about medication to Psycho-Babble Social. Here's a link:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/social/20041226/msgs/437779.html
Thanks,
Bob
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