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Posted by Lawrence S. on June 25, 2001, at 11:33:18
I gave Zyprexa a try as an augmenter. Also to stop my ruminating thoughts. After seeing how it has helped my Mom I really had high hopes. I really am hesitant to say this for fear that it may upset someone. The only word that comes close to the way I felt is, lobotomized. Lithium and Verapamil made me feel the same way. Anyone else experience this feeling or am I so far gone that nothing will help me? By the way, My Mother seems better than I have ever seen her in my life, since she has been on Zyprexa, Respiridal and Effexor combo.
Posted by cramx2 on June 25, 2001, at 14:58:45
In reply to Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by Lawrence S. on June 25, 2001, at 11:33:18
What exactually do you mean by lobotomized,
can you be a little more descriptive. Are you experiencing cognitive dulling or derealization?
Posted by anita on June 25, 2001, at 16:02:03
In reply to Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by Lawrence S. on June 25, 2001, at 11:33:18
Hi Lawrence,
How much Zyprexa are you taking? The dose may be too high for you. Then again, when I tried Zyprexa I felt somewhat mentally dulled (as I did with lithium), but that mostly went away after a week.
Zyprexa just may not be the drug for you. You can always try another antipsychotic like Risperdal or Geodon -- they won't necessarily have the same effect. Just remember you have to give meds time to work, and the side effects you get at first may not be lasting.
I wish you luck,
anita
> I gave Zyprexa a try as an augmenter. Also to stop my ruminating thoughts. After seeing how it has helped my Mom I really had high hopes. I really am hesitant to say this for fear that it may upset someone. The only word that comes close to the way I felt is, lobotomized. Lithium and Verapamil made me feel the same way. Anyone else experience this feeling or am I so far gone that nothing will help me? By the way, My Mother seems better than I have ever seen her in my life, since she has been on Zyprexa, Respiridal and Effexor combo.
Posted by Janelle on June 25, 2001, at 22:28:11
In reply to Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by Lawrence S. on June 25, 2001, at 11:33:18
My pdoc had me do the same thing - try Zyprexa to eliminate (or at least control) ruminating, obsseive and racing thoughts - it kinda did, but gave me HORRIFIC nightmares (one woke me up in a cold sweat), as well as feeling like a zombie during the day. Half of the lowest dose is about all I seem to be able to tolerate.
Posted by Lawrence S. on June 26, 2001, at 2:31:42
In reply to Re: Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by cramx2 on June 25, 2001, at 14:58:45
> What exactually do you mean by lobotomized,
> can you be a little more descriptive. Are you experiencing cognitive dulling or derealization?
>
> O.K. I'll try to be more detailed. I guess cognitive dulling would be close to how I feel on Zyprexa. I would call it more like personality dulling, suppresion, Whatever part of my brain that makes up my psyche, personality, etc. seems like it is washed away when I take neuroleptics.
Many years ago I was put on Verapamil for a heart condition. My mental state started to deteriorate. I felt like I was going to have a breakdown. I stoped it and got better. now I see that Verapamil has some mood stabilizing properties.
Neurontin made me hallucinate. I could'nt tell if I was awake or asleep because I was having waking dreams.
It took me years to get over that washed away" feeling when I tried Lithium for just a few weeks. What do I try next. Every time I try A.P.s it is more of a downward spiral. Please help!!
Lawrence S.
Posted by Lawrence S. on June 26, 2001, at 2:46:15
In reply to Re: Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by Janelle on June 25, 2001, at 22:28:11
> My pdoc had me do the same thing - try Zyprexa to eliminate (or at least control) ruminating, obsseive and racing thoughts - it kinda did, but gave me HORRIFIC nightmares (one woke me up in a cold sweat), as well as feeling like a zombie during the day. Half of the lowest dose is about all I seem to be able to tolerate.
> >Janelle, that's it! It was as if losing your freedom of thought, controlled, intrusive sort of feeling. Maybe the nightmares were telling you that this is not the right med.
> Lawrence S.
Posted by Lawrence S. on June 26, 2001, at 2:59:11
In reply to Re: Zyprexa gives me the blah's -- Lawrence, posted by anita on June 25, 2001, at 16:02:03
> Hi Lawrence,
>
> How much Zyprexa are you taking? The dose may be too high for you. Then again, when I tried Zyprexa I felt somewhat mentally dulled (as I did with lithium), but that mostly went away after a week.
>
> Zyprexa just may not be the drug for you. You can always try another antipsychotic like Risperdal or Geodon -- they won't necessarily have the same effect. Just remember you have to give meds time to work, and the side effects you get at first may not be lasting.
>
> I wish you luck,
> anita
>
> Thanks Anita, I was only taking 2.5 mg. a day at bedtime.
I heard that Amisulpride doesn't have the A.P. effect at low doses this sounds appealing to me, especially since it's also supposed to have disinhibitory properties as well. Which should help my social anxiety.
Thank you all for your caring and quick responses. I wish you all health and happiness.
Lawrence
> > I gave Zyprexa a try as an augmenter. Also to stop my ruminating thoughts. After seeing how it has helped my Mom I really had high hopes. I really am hesitant to say this for fear that it may upset someone. The only word that comes close to the way I felt is, lobotomized. Lithium and Verapamil made me feel the same way. Anyone else experience this feeling or am I so far gone that nothing will help me? By the way, My Mother seems better than I have ever seen her in my life, since she has been on Zyprexa, Respiridal and Effexor combo.
Posted by AndrewB on June 26, 2001, at 10:46:34
In reply to Re: Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by Lawrence S. on June 26, 2001, at 2:46:15
Lawrence,Also consider amisulpride, a neuroleptic noted for not causing emotional blunting. In fact, when it works, it makes one feel more emotionally alive and socialble. Also good for ruminations.
Available from overseas. For an ordering source (non-prescription) se the above thread entitled 'non-prescription sources'. For more info on amisulpride see the site: http://www.IChoosePeace.com/
I have taken amisulpride for approx. 2 years and have my doctor's prescription for ordering it from overseas. He is eager for the day when it will become commercially avail. in the US (hopefully not to long into the future!).
Best wishes,
AndrewB
Posted by Cece on June 27, 2001, at 14:46:34
In reply to Re: Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by Lawrence S. on June 26, 2001, at 2:31:42
I recently began taking Zyprexa (in addition to a complex mix of other meds for BPII), on an as needed basis. As needed for me means when I get into an especially obsessive, agitated, and depressed state, which generally happens in reaction to outside stressors. I take only a quarter or half of a 2.5mg tab. The longest I have taken it is for 3 days, twice a day. About half the time it has helped to interrupt/check my extreme state, and abate the depression- with just one or two 'hits'. When I took it for 3 days, even for 2, I found that it gave me a spacey kind of depression rather than a boost. So I'm glad to have it as a back-up, but would not consider for me it on an on-going basis (even without the weight gain issue).
I tried Geodon right after my first try on Zyprexa, and took it continuously (at 10mg, hard to do because 20mg caps are the lowest available) for almost a week. My reaction, which seems not to be typical of posters here, was that I felt disassociated and spacey- maybe similar to what you mean by 'lobotomized'.
Cece
Posted by Andy123 on June 28, 2001, at 7:32:49
In reply to Zyprexa gives me the blah's, posted by Lawrence S. on June 25, 2001, at 11:33:18
> I gave Zyprexa a try as an augmenter. Also to stop my ruminating thoughts. After seeing how it has helped my Mom I really had high hopes. I really am hesitant to say this for fear that it may upset someone. The only word that comes close to the way I felt is, lobotomized. Lithium and Verapamil made me feel the same way. Anyone else experience this feeling or am I so far gone that nothing will help me? By the way, My Mother seems better than I have ever seen her in my life, since she has been on Zyprexa, Respiridal and Effexor combo.
I think the original PDR write up on Zyprexa said that increased suicidal ideation was a problem in 36% of patients (only schizophrenic patients.) After seeing that in print, it made me wonder how it was ever approved for anything.
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