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Posted by jmoyer3 on February 21, 2001, at 23:05:20
In reply to Re: Sarafem=Prozac(np), posted by Noa on January 8, 2001, at 6:13:04
> Sarafem=Prozac, I believe
Yes, for history of the drug, see article http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0049/spartos.shtml
Posted by Marchelle on February 22, 2001, at 1:37:46
In reply to Re: Sarafem=Prozac(np), posted by jmoyer3 on February 21, 2001, at 23:05:20
> > Sarafem=Prozac, I believe
>
> Yes, for history of the drug, see article http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0049/spartos.shtmlGood article. I definitely agree with the article that this new push for the PMDD diagnosis and an anti-depressent to treat it reinforces a negative stigma associated with women's mentrual cycles. I mentioned earlier that I was given a Sarafem Rx after talking to a doctor about my symptons for five minutes. It was the first time I was in to see this "hormone specialist" and had to make an appointmet a month in advance. No mention of a daily diary was made. This article calls attention to the intentions of the makers of Sarafem. All this suggests revalutation of the PMDD diagnosis and ways to go about handeling women's suffering other than taking Sarafem. How discouraging for those who have tried all the natural ways without succes...
Posted by meg_bat2000 on February 23, 2001, at 12:38:53
In reply to Re: Sarafem=Prozac(np), posted by Marchelle on February 22, 2001, at 1:37:46
I am 28 years old and was diagnosed with endometriosis seven years ago after years of suffering from massive PMS (major mood swings that would last for at least two weeks, cramps that I would have to practically overdose on Motrin for, bloating, irregular periods, etc.). I have had two surgeries for the endo (I am/was only in Stage I) and have been on five different kinds of birth control pills to control the physical pain from the endo, which has worked successfully. Now I am battling the emotional/mental aspect. I have started paying more attention to the vitamins and minerals that I take, under suggestion from an endometriosis book and guidance from my doctor and I must say that I have noticed a great difference in my mood swings simply by increasing my intake of vitamin B-6. However, it does not help with the PMS I have/get about a day or two just before my period; this lasts for about three to four days from the onset. It is very bad - I get/feel very self-destructive and/or sad, which I can control to a certain degree. Another thing I have noticed is that I tend to get naseous during this time too. I am already on Prozac (I have been on it for several years for PMS), so Sarafem does not look like an alternative for me since it appears to be very similar. Am I suffering from PMDD (I am very wary of this term)? I don't believe that this emotional/mental impairment is due to the endo or something like depression since it only happens right before my period like clockwork. What other options do I have? -- Meg
Posted by ARR on February 25, 2001, at 18:27:20
In reply to Re: Sarafem=Prozac(np), posted by Marchelle on February 22, 2001, at 1:37:46
Dear Marcelle
Try not to be discouraged. I believe that there is hope. Many times the natural solutions fail because the changes that people make are not comprehensive enough. PMS is not a seratonin deficiency. It is often the expression of many imbalances in the bodies hormonal biochemistry and trying to alter one small part of that may not be sufficient.
(Let's take the example of B6: B6 supplementation will often fail if magnesium is lacking, and even B6 and magnesium are is only a small part of the picture}
I've recently attended a presented by Dr. Jeffry Bland that is currently being give to hundreds of nutritionally oriented physicians around the country. This seminar presented an overview of many factors that can contribute to hormone imbalance associated with PMS. It also presented a research study done on a nutritional product called Estrobalance which addresses a broad spectrum of the imbalances that leads to PMS. This includes therapeutic levels of B6, folic acid, magnesium, zinc, flax, and a blend of isoflavones provided in a rice based protein/carbohydrate balanced medical food. The study that was performed with this medical food showed dramatic and statistically significant results in women who followed the program a two month period of time.
If you are interested in finding someone who can help you with this, go to Metagenics.com and you can be directed to a list of practitioners in your area who would be familiar with it.
I think that this represents a tremendous clinical breakthrough and that it will offer many women true hope rather than the false hope that I feel the Prozac family of drugs offers. On that note, I would highly recommend reading the book Prozac Backlash. This was writtten by a Harvard psychiatrist who used these medications for many years and began finding alarming symptoms that lead him to research the scientific literature on these drugs. What he turned up is nothing short of terrifying. Anyone who is on or who is considering taking any of these drugs must read this book.
I hope this helps, and don't give up hope. There are viable alternatives that do work. The fact that these are so little known is indirectly explained in this book. The Prozac family of drugs generates more than $4,000,000,000 is sales per year. The lack of research and news concerning effective natural solutions is not an accident.
ARR
> > > Sarafem=Prozac, I believe
> >
> > Yes, for history of the drug, see article http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0049/spartos.shtml
>
> Good article. I definitely agree with the article that this new push for the PMDD diagnosis and an anti-depressent to treat it reinforces a negative stigma associated with women's mentrual cycles. I mentioned earlier that I was given a Sarafem Rx after talking to a doctor about my symptons for five minutes. It was the first time I was in to see this "hormone specialist" and had to make an appointmet a month in advance. No mention of a daily diary was made. This article calls attention to the intentions of the makers of Sarafem. All this suggests revalutation of the PMDD diagnosis and ways to go about handeling women's suffering other than taking Sarafem. How discouraging for those who have tried all the natural ways without succes...
Posted by Doug Anderson on February 26, 2001, at 7:50:49
In reply to experience w/ sarafem » Paulette, posted by Marchelle on February 20, 2001, at 22:59:13
> > > > The physiology of each woman is very complicated. There are variations in each womans cycle can be explaned by the amout of estrogen secreted by the follicle as it matures. Estrogen enhances the amount of tryptophan in the brain which is a precursor to serotonin. Serotonin is the chemical in the brain responsible for mood stability. After ovulation, if an egg is not fertilized, levels of estrogen fall off. This rapid decrease may also decrease the availability of serotonin. Those of you who are sensitive to this fall off experience mood swings. If estogen levels are low from a particular follicle this may increase your symptoms in a particular month. Your estrogen levels are not constant from month to month. This month may be bad but the next may not be. Some women can tell which overy is active just by the symptoms they are having. Therefore a constant dose of Sarafem may be good for one month and not the next. This is a delemma. You don't want to have a higher dose just to cover the worst month. The matter of bloating and secondary symptoms is not clear since prostaglandins are responsible for this and SSRI's like Prozac(Sarafem) do not affect this. There is a very good book out there to explain alot of this called Women's Moods by Deborah Sichel and Jeanne Watson Driscoll. You may have to go on line to Amazon or Barnes and Noble to find it. I highly recomend it. I hope I was some help. Hang in there! Next cycle may be better.
Posted by super on February 26, 2001, at 13:51:34
In reply to Re: experience w/ sarafem, posted by Doug Anderson on February 26, 2001, at 7:50:49
Hi Doug,
Since you seem to know a lot about this, can I ask you a couple basic questions? Why would I still have PMS when I'm on birth control pills, since they regulate the amount of estrogen, etc in your body? Also, would a high estrogen birth control pill help control moods due to the seratonin connection?
Thanks!
> > > > > The physiology of each woman is very complicated. There are variations in each womans cycle can be explaned by the amout of estrogen secreted by the follicle as it matures. Estrogen enhances the amount of tryptophan in the brain which is a precursor to serotonin. Serotonin is the chemical in the brain responsible for mood stability. After ovulation, if an egg is not fertilized, levels of estrogen fall off. This rapid decrease may also decrease the availability of serotonin. Those of you who are sensitive to this fall off experience mood swings. If estogen levels are low from a particular follicle this may increase your symptoms in a particular month. Your estrogen levels are not constant from month to month. This month may be bad but the next may not be. Some women can tell which overy is active just by the symptoms they are having. Therefore a constant dose of Sarafem may be good for one month and not the next. This is a delemma. You don't want to have a higher dose just to cover the worst month. The matter of bloating and secondary symptoms is not clear since prostaglandins are responsible for this and SSRI's like Prozac(Sarafem) do not affect this. There is a very good book out there to explain alot of this called Women's Moods by Deborah Sichel and Jeanne Watson Driscoll. You may have to go on line to Amazon or Barnes and Noble to find it. I highly recomend it. I hope I was some help. Hang in there! Next cycle may be better.
Posted by Marchelle on February 26, 2001, at 20:10:16
In reply to Re: Sarafem=Prozac(np), posted by ARR on February 25, 2001, at 18:27:20
ARR: Since my active involvement with trying to correct my PMS and its effects, I have spent much time researching literature at my health food store. I have found an essiental oil blend for women, daily vitamins designed for women and calcium and magnesium supplements. I have been taking them according to the recommendations in the wonderful book, "Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing" suggested for treatment of PMS. I am not yet expecting the uncomfortable symptoms of PMS for a couple more days, but I can already percieve an improvement in a consistant, healthy, and elevated mood for the last 2 1/2-3 weeks. Thank you for the suggestion of Estrobalance, it is definitely something that I will look into.
Also... I have really been keeping up with all the posts. Every one has been so helpful! Thank you and best wishes!
> Dear Marcelle
>
> Try not to be discouraged. I believe that there is hope. Many times the natural solutions fail because the changes that people make are not comprehensive enough. PMS is not a seratonin deficiency. It is often the expression of many imbalances in the bodies hormonal biochemistry and trying to alter one small part of that may not be sufficient.
>
> (Let's take the example of B6: B6 supplementation will often fail if magnesium is lacking, and even B6 and magnesium are is only a small part of the picture}
>
> I've recently attended a presented by Dr. Jeffry Bland that is currently being give to hundreds of nutritionally oriented physicians around the country. This seminar presented an overview of many factors that can contribute to hormone imbalance associated with PMS. It also presented a research study done on a nutritional product called Estrobalance which addresses a broad spectrum of the imbalances that leads to PMS. This includes therapeutic levels of B6, folic acid, magnesium, zinc, flax, and a blend of isoflavones provided in a rice based protein/carbohydrate balanced medical food. The study that was performed with this medical food showed dramatic and statistically significant results in women who followed the program a two month period of time.
>
> If you are interested in finding someone who can help you with this, go to Metagenics.com and you can be directed to a list of practitioners in your area who would be familiar with it.
>
> I think that this represents a tremendous clinical breakthrough and that it will offer many women true hope rather than the false hope that I feel the Prozac family of drugs offers. On that note, I would highly recommend reading the book Prozac Backlash. This was writtten by a Harvard psychiatrist who used these medications for many years and began finding alarming symptoms that lead him to research the scientific literature on these drugs. What he turned up is nothing short of terrifying. Anyone who is on or who is considering taking any of these drugs must read this book.
>
> I hope this helps, and don't give up hope. There are viable alternatives that do work. The fact that these are so little known is indirectly explained in this book. The Prozac family of drugs generates more than $4,000,000,000 is sales per year. The lack of research and news concerning effective natural solutions is not an accident.
>
> ARR
>
> > > > Sarafem=Prozac, I believe
> > >
> > > Yes, for history of the drug, see article http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0049/spartos.shtml
> >
> > Good article. I definitely agree with the article that this new push for the PMDD diagnosis and an anti-depressent to treat it reinforces a negative stigma associated with women's mentrual cycles. I mentioned earlier that I was given a Sarafem Rx after talking to a doctor about my symptons for five minutes. It was the first time I was in to see this "hormone specialist" and had to make an appointmet a month in advance. No mention of a daily diary was made. This article calls attention to the intentions of the makers of Sarafem. All this suggests revalutation of the PMDD diagnosis and ways to go about handeling women's suffering other than taking Sarafem. How discouraging for those who have tried all the natural ways without succes...
Posted by ladytj on March 2, 2001, at 2:14:42
In reply to PMDD - Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder, posted by Jan on March 1, 1999, at 10:54:47
> PMDD - I'm looking for anyone being treated for it, and I'd like to know what the treatment consists of. I'm in my 30's and anti-depressant meds don't help at all. My Dr says that I'm to young for Estrogen therapy. I'm running out of options. Any information would be appriciated.
>
> Thank you.I really think that this whole thing is a farce to say the least. Granted women have the tears, the bloating,the not wanting to be around anyone thing and of course the additude, but you can't tell me the it is now called a disorder!...it is mother nature, it is the way it has been since Adam and Eve. Having a period is no different then having a bad hair day!..so get over it..this whole disorder thing is nothing but a medical term for "The monthly curse", "Aunt Raggy coming to visit","On the rag". Im 35 and have NEVER wanted to kill someone or wanted to make my family miserable. I am the one that is miserable, I have to deal with it, not them!!!!!!!!
By the way..Let Go Let God!!!!
Posted by Wendy on March 2, 2001, at 4:07:45
In reply to Re: PMDD - Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder, posted by ladytj on March 2, 2001, at 2:14:42
What an obtuse way of thinking! If we didn't intervene when modern medicine allowed for it, our civilization would not be as prosperous nor as healthy as it is today.
Your statement amounts to nothing more than gobblidee-goop! If we just "let nature take it's course" as you would have us do, then my father's cancer would have surely been the end to a wonderous part of my existence and a loss for many, many people.
This is a SUPPORT board! While opinions are valued here, negative ignorance is not. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the subject of women's health and PMDD in particular, then come back and join the discussion.
Posted by SalArmy4me on March 2, 2001, at 6:27:28
In reply to Re: PMDD - Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder » ladytj, posted by Wendy on March 2, 2001, at 4:07:45
Its only when people are about to commit suicide because of the pain that they finally decide to seek safe and effective treatment. And seeking treatment means asking for help from someone else--something that many people refuse to do.
The Salvation Army: 1865-2001 and beyond
> What an obtuse way of thinking! If we didn't intervene when modern medicine allowed for it, our civilization would not be as prosperous nor as healthy as it is today.
>
> Your statement amounts to nothing more than gobblidee-goop! If we just "let nature take it's course" as you would have us do, then my father's cancer would have surely been the end to a wonderous part of my existence and a loss for many, many people.
>
> This is a SUPPORT board! While opinions are valued here, negative ignorance is not. Perhaps you should educate yourself on the subject of women's health and PMDD in particular, then come back and join the discussion.
Posted by Cathynan on March 2, 2001, at 15:42:57
In reply to Re: PMDD - Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder, posted by ladytj on March 2, 2001, at 2:14:42
Really I feel sorry for you, because you are just IGNORANT.
You can't relate, because you don't have the disorder!
I welcome you to come around me when I am off my meds for a month.
I also welcome you to talk to my mother, father, boyfriend and roomate. They
will tell you how they have watched me sink into an unreachable depression, sleeping
for 16 hours straight at night and crying non stop. I KNOW what PMS is, and I KNOW what PMDD is,and they are different.
Before PMDD symptoms started to appear in my life, I had a regular PMS, so I KNOW.
Ask any one of them, and they will tell you it's a disorder.
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 2, 2001, at 22:40:16
In reply to Re: PMDD - Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder, posted by ladytj on March 2, 2001, at 2:14:42
> I really think that this whole thing is a farce to say the least... so get over it...
> What an obtuse way of thinking!
>
> Your statement amounts to nothing more than gobblidee-goop!> Really I feel sorry for you, because you are just IGNORANT.
Please, everyone, be civil, even if you disagree, otherwise I'll need to try to block you from posting. Thanks,
Bob
PS: Any follow-ups regarding this should be redirected to Psycho-Babble Administration.
Posted by Doug Anderson on March 4, 2001, at 1:47:52
In reply to Re: PMDD - Premenstrual Dysphoric Disorder » ladytj, posted by Cathynan on March 2, 2001, at 15:42:57
> Really I feel sorry for you, because you are just IGNORANT.
>
> You can't relate, because you don't have the disorder!
>
> I welcome you to come around me when I am off my meds for a month.
>
> I also welcome you to talk to my mother, father, boyfriend and roomate. They
> will tell you how they have watched me sink into an unreachable depression, sleeping
> for 16 hours straight at night and crying non stop. I KNOW what PMS is, and I KNOW what PMDD is,and they are different.
> Before PMDD symptoms started to appear in my life, I had a regular PMS, so I KNOW.
> Ask any one of them, and they will tell you it's a disorder.I guess if this person never experienced PMDD first hand then they have no idea. As a man I have never gone through it but I see what it does to the woman I love. That constant battle is beyond my ability to understand but I try. Putting blinders on does not make PMDD unreal. I hope that this person never has to deal with all this because it would change the way that they thought. Hang in there and keep trying for yourself most of all but also for the ones that love you. Who ever said that women were the weaker sex was nuts. God Bless! Doug
Posted by pattykay on March 6, 2001, at 11:32:02
In reply to Re: experience w/ sarafem » Doug Anderson, posted by super on February 26, 2001, at 13:51:34
I just happened on to this site because I was doing research on sarafem. My mood swings and sensitivity during the one or two weeks before and first week of my period have affected my life for years. I started taking the pill for the first time in my life when I was 31. After trying 4 kinds of pills in a year I finally gave up since all my pms symptoms were so much worse no matter which pill I used (though lower levels of progestin seemed to be the best). My relationship has improved immensely since I ceased using the pill but the pms symptoms are still strong. I would really like to try the pill again and see how it works WITH sarafem. I almost started crying while I read all the postings from women with problems similar to mine. If you haven't experienced it it's so hard to comprehend. Thanks for all the good information. I'm going to see my doctor armed with a lot of pertinent questions about how my own chemistry is working (or not working).
Patty
> Hi Doug,
>
> Since you seem to know a lot about this, can I ask you a couple basic questions? Why would I still have PMS when I'm on birth control pills, since they regulate the amount of estrogen, etc in your body? Also, would a high estrogen birth control pill help control moods due to the seratonin connection?
>
> Thanks!
>
> > > > > > The physiology of each woman is very complicated. There are variations in each womans cycle can be explaned by the amout of estrogen secreted by the follicle as it matures. Estrogen enhances the amount of tryptophan in the brain which is a precursor to serotonin. Serotonin is the chemical in the brain responsible for mood stability. After ovulation, if an egg is not fertilized, levels of estrogen fall off. This rapid decrease may also decrease the availability of serotonin. Those of you who are sensitive to this fall off experience mood swings. If estogen levels are low from a particular follicle this may increase your symptoms in a particular month. Your estrogen levels are not constant from month to month. This month may be bad but the next may not be. Some women can tell which overy is active just by the symptoms they are having. Therefore a constant dose of Sarafem may be good for one month and not the next. This is a delemma. You don't want to have a higher dose just to cover the worst month. The matter of bloating and secondary symptoms is not clear since prostaglandins are responsible for this and SSRI's like Prozac(Sarafem) do not affect this. There is a very good book out there to explain alot of this called Women's Moods by Deborah Sichel and Jeanne Watson Driscoll. You may have to go on line to Amazon or Barnes and Noble to find it. I highly recomend it. I hope I was some help. Hang in there! Next cycle may be better.
Posted by Doug Anderson on March 6, 2001, at 15:10:01
In reply to Re: experience w/ sarafem, posted by pattykay on March 6, 2001, at 11:32:02
> I just happened on to this site because I was doing research on sarafem. My mood swings and sensitivity during the one or two weeks before and first week of my period have affected my life for years. I started taking the pill for the first time in my life when I was 31. After trying 4 kinds of pills in a year I finally gave up since all my pms symptoms were so much worse no matter which pill I used (though lower levels of progestin seemed to be the best). My relationship has improved immensely since I ceased using the pill but the pms symptoms are still strong. I would really like to try the pill again and see how it works WITH sarafem. I almost started crying while I read all the postings from women with problems similar to mine. If you haven't experienced it it's so hard to comprehend. Thanks for all the good information. I'm going to see my doctor armed with a lot of pertinent questions about how my own chemistry is working (or not working).
> Patty
>
>
> > Hi Doug,
> >
> > Since you seem to know a lot about this, can I ask you a couple basic questions? Why would I still have PMS when I'm on birth control pills, since they regulate the amount of estrogen, etc in your body? Also, would a high estrogen birth control pill help control moods due to the seratonin connection?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > > > > > > The physiology of each woman is very complicated. There are variations in each womans cycle can be explaned by the amout of estrogen secreted by the follicle as it matures. Estrogen enhances the amount of tryptophan in the brain which is a precursor to serotonin. Serotonin is the chemical in the brain responsible for mood stability. After ovulation, if an egg is not fertilized, levels of estrogen fall off. This rapid decrease may also decrease the availability of serotonin. Those of you who are sensitive to this fall off experience mood swings. If estogen levels are low from a particular follicle this may increase your symptoms in a particular month. Your estrogen levels are not constant from month to month. This month may be bad but the next may not be. Some women can tell which overy is active just by the symptoms they are having. Therefore a constant dose of Sarafem may be good for one month and not the next. This is a delemma. You don't want to have a higher dose just to cover the worst month. The matter of bloating and secondary symptoms is not clear since prostaglandins are responsible for this and SSRI's like Prozac(Sarafem) do not affect this. There is a very good book out there to explain alot of this called Women's Moods by Deborah Sichel and Jeanne Watson Driscoll. You may have to go on line to Amazon or Barnes and Noble to find it. I highly recomend it. I hope I was some help. Hang in there! Next cycle may be better.Most birth control pills are cyclical and contain various amounts of estrogen. When you end a cycle of pills there are only the few days of blank placebo's so that your cycle can run. Higher levels of estrogen don't help because it is the sensitivity to any fluctuations that cause the PMDD symtoms. Birth control pills containing progestins(A synthetic progesterone) can aggrivate the depression by competing for estrogen sites. from what I hear this can be much worse for severe PMDD sufferers. The book I mentioned goes in to greater detail and is much more clear that I am. Get it, read it. It is the best book that I have read so far. I can tell you from the experiences that I have had with my dear friend, the IUD's have progestin in them too. They compete with natural progesterone in the uterus and estrogen elsewhere in the body. If you have one you may want to ask about that. Good luck. I don't really think birth cotrol is the best method of controlling PMDD. Read up on Paxil. Heard that it might have some benefit.
Doug
Posted by adams on March 6, 2001, at 15:39:16
In reply to Re: experience w/ sarafem, posted by Doug Anderson on March 6, 2001, at 15:10:01
I have not read this entire thread and I am not going to because I am not interested, but I just wanted to ask why they had to come up with a new name for prozac just because they wanted to use prozac for PMDD, why not just call it prozac? Now we have to make up a new medical condition for PMS and rename prozac for a special medication, you know what I think, I think there just trying to sell more prozac to people so they can make more money.
Posted by Wendy on March 6, 2001, at 21:08:50
In reply to Re: sarafem? , posted by adams on March 6, 2001, at 15:39:16
Maybe some of what you say is true, as Sarafem DOES have the same 'active' ingredient as Prozac; however, it also contains other drug components.
Unfortunately, until our society releases much of the stigma associated with 'Prozac', it will continue to be a drug associated with mental illness and not for the many positive aspects as it should be.
Posted by Emily B. on March 10, 2001, at 0:35:29
In reply to Re: Sarafem=Prozac(np), posted by Noa on January 8, 2001, at 6:13:04
After only 8 months of marriage, my husband is threatening to leave me. I KNOW I have PMDD, but I'm afraid of being associated with having a psychiatric disorder. Anything to save my marriage. Please someone, I need advice, and I need my husband to understand that I'm NOT crazy, my actions speak otherwise.
Posted by Doug Anderson on March 10, 2001, at 6:16:44
In reply to I'm scared, posted by Emily B. on March 10, 2001, at 0:35:29
> After only 8 months of marriage, my husband is threatening to leave me. I KNOW I have PMDD, but I'm afraid of being associated with having a psychiatric disorder. Anything to save my marriage. Please someone, I need advice, and I need my husband to understand that I'm NOT crazy, my actions speak otherwise.
Dear Emily,
If you like you can let your husband read this. I am a man who has fallen in love with a woman that has suffered with this all of her adult life. We hace been together for a year and a half. I understand all to well, the hard times that you go through. Real abiding love does not quit through hard times. I have spent hours on the net lokking for answers. I look for books to further that understanding. You have to work together to find an answer. I have tries to reassure my loved one that this is not a matter of psychology. It is a physiological condition that mant wonan suffer from in varios degrees. The first and most important thing is to understand this condition. The second is to arm yourself with the facts and go to a doctor experienced in this and get help. Changing your diet and getting exercise are great but I have come to believe that there are medications out there, when used correctly can make a big difference. Love and support can go a long way in making you feel more comfortable. Let me tell you that no matter how irritable and angry you get during this time, never say what you don't mean. I have been told such horrible things that i become depressed. When you both go down at the same time it will be devastating. Get your husband involved and get help. Look into a book called Women's Moods. You can find it at Amazon.com. Get your husband to read it. It will help him to understand you. Another thing you might get him to read is one little passage from the Bible. it is 1Corinthians13. It is a great definition of love. It is what keeps me going on with my love. Good luck Emily. You can e-mail me if you need any more info. Doug
Posted by Wendy on March 11, 2001, at 6:57:02
In reply to I'm scared, posted by Emily B. on March 10, 2001, at 0:35:29
Emily - Don't wait! I waited nearly 4 years before I actually accepted that I NEEDED help! I couldn't do it by myself! And there IS help out there for you!
I've been on 20mg/day Paxil for 2 1/2 months now, and I can say only one thing - YES!!! I'm finally able to feel good every day again! My kids are all the better for it, and my husband now has a partner he can enjoy just being with again!
I understand your hesitancy where the association of medication and 'psychosis' can be enough to make you shy away from taking any meds. However, those medications are there for HELPING us where we can't fix it ourselves - hopefully you can get past that fear and ask for/get the help from your doctor that you deserve. You won't be sorry for it, you'll be healthier and happier for it.
Posted by Cammy on March 11, 2001, at 12:01:13
In reply to a great book on PMDD - , posted by pullmarine on November 20, 2000, at 2:26:17
This is my first visit to this thread. I have spent the better part of the morning reading all of the information. After my last "episode" I promised my husband that I would research and see my doctor. I suppose the old adage "misery loves company" is true because I have to admit it was a relief to know that others suffer with these horrible mood swings, angry outbursts, crying jags, anxiety, etc. I am especially thankful to see that there are men who are supportive of their wives and girlfriends. My husband is fearful of my monthly bouts but he knows that within a few days I once again be the woman he loves. I have been "diagnosed" as bipolar in the past and put on Depacote (anti seizure drug) that left me with hand tremors. I have been prescribed Xanex for the anxiety attacks (helped during an attack but certainly doesn't prevent them). I have tried diet changes and exercise. I plan on making an appt with my doctor next week to look into other alternatives. I am 42, my periods are getting heavier, and my associated symtoms are getting worse. Is there anyone else out there my age who is experiencing escalating problems like this? I also just want to say Thanks to all of you for your postings. I feel encouraged.
Posted by meand him on March 12, 2001, at 15:33:42
In reply to Re: I'm scared, posted by Wendy on March 11, 2001, at 6:57:02
I was very scard of what would happen and what people would think of me.
But i now realize that living good and feeling good about life in general is so much more important. Im on effexor and have beine for almost one year and i can tell you that you will see things in a better light if only you can reach out and let someone help you .Not getting help is much more scary.
Posted by phylis on March 13, 2001, at 15:24:31
In reply to Re: I'm scared, posted by meand him on March 12, 2001, at 15:33:42
I am searching advice on whether I suffer from PMDD. Does anyone while going through the Ms. Jeckell/Hyde thing experience any feelings of anger that drives them to violent outbursts? I find that particularly around my period that if my husband pushes my buttons for instance that things may esculate to a point where I totally freak out and start hitting him. It has become quite severe, where I am afraid I will drive him to hit me back, and them ultimately drive us to separating. He tends to brush it aside, sometimes blaming himself for this happening, but I feel that something is not right in my mind. I started acting like this about 5 years ago. It just worsened, and I hate myself for it. We now have an 18 month old, and I really want to find an answer to this before it is too late. I want the best for my baby, and for my marriage, and if this behavior is indeed linked to PMDD I would like to seek help. Before all this I was a very easy going person, wouldn't harm anyone, but it breaks my heart that this happens. My husband and I have been married for almost 5 years, and he is my best friend and would never want to lose him over this, which I hope can be helped. Anyway, I have babbled enough, I was just hoping someone out there understands all this and maybe shed some light on my situation. I am hoping that this is the answer to why I act like this, as I feel that I experience most of the symtoms here. Please give me some feedback, it would be much appreciated! Thank-you
Posted by Dr. Bob on March 14, 2001, at 1:46:19
In reply to Ms. Jeckell/Ms. Hyde- Please help!, posted by phylis on March 13, 2001, at 15:24:31
> I am searching advice on whether I suffer from PMDD...
It's fine to ask questions like this, but since they're not about medication, they really should be asked at Psycho-Social-Babble. So if you respond to this, please redirect your post there, too. Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Tina Lynne on March 18, 2001, at 14:00:03
In reply to Re: I'm scared, posted by meand him on March 12, 2001, at 15:33:42
I'm scared too. I was only recently diagnosed with pmdd. Although I have had it for years, I just scared off the wonderful guy I was dating because of PMDD. He RAN with his tail between his legs and will not even speak to me. This prompted a visit ot the Dr.
PMDD is a horrible hell to live in. As many as 10 days before my period I would become really bitchy, then for the few days before my period, I would be totally emotionally unmanagable. My skin would crawl and I had terrible restless sleeps. I could have as many 4 mood swings per sentance almost always resulting in tears.
Sometimes I would cry out loud for it to stop and always knew that within two days of my period I would be "normal" again. It was like Aunt Ruby was a tornado and I would have to look back at the messes I (she) made and have a ton of damage control to do once it was over...
Doctor has now put me onto oral contraceptives and told me to change my diet. My diet is very high in protein. I am very active including weight training and need the proteins to rebuild muscle. The Dr told me that diary, red meats, anything high protein, coffee and chocolate all seem to antagonize the sypmtoms. I can not find any medical information to support this hypothesis and wondered if anyone else out there knows about high protien and PMDD.
I sure hope the pill is going to work - I don't want to lose any more friends - or myself!! to PMDD.
Thanks
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