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Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-phoz

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 13:13:52

In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-rulz, posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2013, at 10:18:28

> > > > > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dinah
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > > > > Lou PIlder
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > > > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > >
> > > > > The correction to the first link is:
> > > > > Lou
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > >
> > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> > > > The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> > > > My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> > > > Lou, I'm going to:
> > > > A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> > > > B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> > > > C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> > > > D. Something else.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > >
> > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > Lou Pilder
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.html
> >
> > correction:
> > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > Lou Pilder
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> Be advised that your terms of service here is that if a post is not addressed by you, that others could think that you are indicating by your not addressing it, that the statement in question is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
> Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do, for you say that you want readers to try to trust you in that you are doing what will be good for this community as a whole and that you will appreciate it if they do. The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> Let us look at what has been posted here by you:
> Lou PIlder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/424336.html

Mr. Hsiung,
Now I want to cntiue our discussion. But take the following int consideration when you post ay reply to me.
Here you say that just a small statement can lead someone to feel put down, and to be civil at all times
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
Now here are some of the posts that others could think that you are saying that they are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive due to what you have posted about if posts are not addressed by you. If you really think that, then could you post an affirmation of that here now? If you do, then I will go in a different direction here in our discussion.
Here are some of the posts in our discussion that I am awaiting for your response to me.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html

correction- Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussn

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 13:20:39

In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-phoz, posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 13:13:52

> > > > > > > > > > > > If {what if} means that by modifying what can be seen would annul the fact that the post means, I have said that it would not.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I have heard the words often enough, in context, to understand that it's generally meant as a condemnation of Christian churches who do not have Christ at their center.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dinah
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > if you think for one second that I am going to ever stop my efforts here to purge that statement .. then think again my friends
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I did think we might be able to agree on a way to modify it. Apparently not. Reasonable people can disagree. How about moving on to another statement?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > > The statement says what it says. You even want to change it. You could do that and then I will post my response to you in that thread where you make the change. I have the following concerns and would like for you to post answers to the following.
> > > > > > > > > > A. Are you going to actually do some type of computer surgery to the statement and change it so that it will be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community? You do not need my permission to do that.
> > > > > > > > > > B. If so, would the original statement remain or not?
> > > > > > > > > > C. If you could do that to the statement in the post in question, could you also do that to other post's statements?
> > > > > > > > > > D. If so, what are the criteria that you will use to determine which ones you will change and make an unsupportive statement into a supportive statement?
> > > > > > > > > > E. When I read your TOS here, it said to not post anything that could put down those of other faiths. I took you at your word. So are you going to change your TOS from that to something like:
> > > > > > > > > > [...If you post a statement that could put down those of other faiths, I will use my features in my computer to change the statement so that it does not put down those of other faiths...].
> > > > > > > > > > F. Have you done this type of changing previously here? If so, could you post the urls of those?
> > > > > > > > > > G. If you do change the statement, would there be a disclaimer posted in the thread that you made a change to what another member posted and why you modified the statement?
> > > > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > > If you are going to use your option to not respond to my requests in the above post from me to you, then here is the next post in our discussion.
> > > > > > > > > The post is problematic for many reasons. But be it as it may be, the statements still stand that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and IMHO could induce in the minds of a subset of readers the ideas that could lead them IMHHO to think of violence toward Jews, on the basis that some readers could think that the statements about Jews are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare here by you. What I am asking is for you to post there a statement that the statements about Jews are not considered by you to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community. To see the post in question, go to the search box at the bottom of this page and type in:
> > > > > > > > > [ faith,428781 ]
> > > > > > > > > Lou PIlder
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > > Now you write that you would like to go on to another post. But there is the potential, IMHO, for Jews to be victims of anti-Semitic violence as a result of the derogatory statements about Jews being allowed to stand by you here.
> > > > > > > > You say that you do what in your thinking will be good for this community as a whole and for people to trust you in that. But I say to you that as long as you do not respond to my requests, what you allow to stand here about the Jews could inflict harm to Jews because there could be a subset of readers that see these statements in question being allowed to stand and could take that as that what is written about Jews to be supportive by you since you say that support takes precedence. And you also say that one match could start a forest fire so that you do not wait to act. Then statements that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings being allowed to stand by you could cause a subset of readers to think that it is supportive by you to have statements that could defame Jews and stigmatize Jews which I think could induce hostility toward Jews in a subset of readers so that there could be children being beaten and killed by Jew-haters as they could see that a psychiatrist allows such derogatory and dehumanizing statements about Jews to be seen as good for this community as a whole as you say that you do.You say that you take responsibility for what you post here. I say to you that it could be seen that your posture toward Jews by allowing these statements about Jews to stand could stoke the furnace of hate and by allowing the statements, the fire of hatred toward the Jews is still burning. I am here to put out the fire that you are allowing. And as long as these statements that are derogatory and dehumanizing about the Jews are allowed to be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community, so shall I continue to try to stop you from allowing the fire of hatred toward the Jews to spread.
> > > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > > > > > Here are two posts for discussion. The posts have statements in them that could arouse anti-Semitic feelings and the posts can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you.
> > > > > > > In this post anti-Semitic feelings could be aroused IMO. This could stereotype Jews and stigmatize Jews, for the passage doesn't say what the poster says it says.
> > > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > > http:/www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > > > > Then in this post, line #6 uses the word, {only} which precludes Jews and all other religions that have a different way than Christiandom. This could arouse hatred in particular but not limited toward the Jews.
> > > > > > > The post is:
> > > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> > > > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The correction to the first link is:
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> > > > >
> > > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > > You have posted that as the statement in the second link here that has line #6 that starts of with,[What is Christianity...], that as the statement stands, it would need to be modified so as to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of the community as you cited the correct way for the statement to be, ie,[..What is Christianity, a way for (me) or a way for (people of my faith).
> > > > > The statement as it stands puts down at least Jews, and is an antisemitic statement as agreed by you here. For the statement as it stands says that Christianity is the only way for all humanity, which includes the Jews.
> > > > > My request here is to know what remedial action, if anything, you are going to take as a result of posting here that the statement is not in accordance with your own stated rules. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond to you.
> > > > > Lou, I'm going to:
> > > > > A. Leave the statement as it stands because it says what it says and that will be good for this community as a whole.
> > > > > B. Post in the thread where the statement is seen something that shows the readers that the statement is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community.
> > > > > C. I agree that the statement could be taken as an insult to Islamic and Jewish and Hindu people and all other people that have a faith that has their own pathway to return to God outside of Christianity, but I will still not post anything in the thread where the post appears because if those people could feel insulted when they read the statement,[...your answer here ...]
> > > > > D. Something else.
> > > > > Lou Pilder
> > > >
> > > > Mr Hsiung,
> > > > We now have the two posts that IMHO could arouse anti-Semitic feelings by the nature that what is contained in the post could lead a Jew to feel put down. The one post is concerning that it states something like,[...Christianity is he only religion that has a path back to the Father, or to God...]. As of now I do not see any post by you linked to that post. If you are not going to take remedial action in regards to this post that could put down Jews and Islamic people and anyone else that has a religion that offers a way back to God that is not part of Christianity, then you could go on to this post and post here if you consider it to be conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > > Lou Pilder
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130702/msgs/1048569.html
> > >
> > > correction:
> > > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > Lou Pilder
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > Be advised that your terms of service here is that if a post is not addressed by you, that others could think that you are indicating by your not addressing it, that the statement in question is conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
> > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do, for you say that you want readers to try to trust you in that you are doing what will be good for this community as a whole and that you will appreciate it if they do. The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> > Let us look at what has been posted here by you:
> > Lou PIlder
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/423771.html
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/424336.html
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Now I want to cntiue our discussion. But take the following int consideration when you post ay reply to me.
> Here you say that just a small statement can lead someone to feel put down, and to be civil at all times
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
> Now here are some of the posts that others could think that you are saying that they are conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive due to what you have posted about if posts are not addressed by you. If you really think that, then could you post an affirmation of that here now? If you do, then I will go in a different direction here in our discussion.
> Here are some of the posts in our discussion that I am awaiting for your response to me.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/996847.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20101201/msgs/973909.html
>
> correction
The last link is not a post under discussion as a post that could put down Jews as the other two in that set of three are involved in the discussion between Mr. Hsiung and me. I accidently included that link there.
Lou

Re: Lou's reply-ehyngellz » Lou Pilder

Posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2013, at 19:28:38

In reply to Lou's reply-ehyngellz » Phillipa, posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 7:12:01

Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa

Lou's reply-wul » Phillipa

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 14, 2013, at 19:58:48

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ehyngellz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2013, at 19:28:38

> Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa

Phillipa,
The scriptures that the Jews use teach that all we like sheep have gone astray. And an angel is a messenger.
Then the scriptures tell of a way back to God, the Great Shepard, back to the fold, back to the family of God. This way I am prevented from posting here due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsiung.
As to one's responsibility to my message, I have not posted it yet due to the prohibitions from Mr. Hsiung to me. But the scriptures teach that God's sheep hear His voice. The voice is heard in many ways. For the scriptures teach that the heavens declare the Glory of God.
Lou

Recipricol tolerance of zealous and loving hearts. » Phillipa

Posted by SLS on November 14, 2013, at 23:26:55

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-ehyngellz » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2013, at 19:28:38

> Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa

Good piece of logic, Phillipa.

If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou Pilder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the savior? Perhaps Lou should seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou. I think that both pleas come from the heart, even if they are rejected reciprocally.

- Scott

Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion

Posted by Dr. Bob on November 14, 2013, at 23:48:27

In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-rulz, posted by Lou Pilder on November 13, 2013, at 10:18:28

> I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.

Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.

--

> > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
>
> Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.

That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:

I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.

I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.

> > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.

At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.

I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.

Bob

Lou's response-

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 10:52:01

In reply to Recipricol tolerance of zealous and loving hearts. » Phillipa, posted by SLS on November 14, 2013, at 23:26:55

> > Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa
>
> Good piece of logic, Phillipa.
>
> If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou Pilder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the savior? Perhaps Lou should seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou. I think that both pleas come from the heart, even if they are rejected reciprocally.
>
>
> - Scott

Friends,
It is written above. It is difficult for me to have the understanding of what the poster is wanting others to understand from what he wrote for there is much more here about this.
The plea "to accept Jesus as the Savior" is in a post that has been ruled to be not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community if the statement includes that it is the {only} way to have Eternal Life and forgiveness from God.
But this could be problematic because Mr Hsiung has not notated the following as to if it is or is not in the same category. The statement says something like,[...Christianity is the {only} religion that has a way back to God...].
That statement puts down Jews and Islamic people and any other person that has a religion that does have a way back to God that is not a Christian religion. The statement insults Islamic people and Jewish people and Hindu people and all other people that have a religion that could have a way back to God other than the Christian way. The statement can be seen as civil and supportive here due to the nature of Mr. Hsiung's written terms of service here and his written policy that have not been changed yet, although there could be a change to the TOS here. I do not accept Mr. Hsiung allowing the statement to remain naked of any sanction until he changes the written TOS that can be seen now, to say something that would allow the statement to be civil and supportive. And even if he changes his written TOS here to allow it to stand, the statement could still put down Jews and Islamic people and the others that I have written here as included, and Islamic people and others could still consider the statement an insult to Islam and feel offended for if Mr Hsiung does make that written change to his TOS, he then could be seen as fostering insults to Islam and Judaism and the others by allowing the statement to be determined by him to be civil and supportive. This IMHO would be a worse thing for this community as it would allow hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and the others to be considered by a subset of readers to be supportive and good for this community as a whole because Mr. Hsiung says to trust him in that he does what will be good for this community as a whole.
Here is the statement that a subset of readers could think is supportive and civil here due to the fact that it stands unsanctioned and Mr. Hsiung says that even a small insult could start a forest fire and that he does not wait to put it out, a fire of hate as I see it. And the fire could grow and grow and grow outside of this forum and just because it could start here does not mean that it could not spread beyond here as readers could carry the flame of hate to other communities as seeing it as supportive by a psychiatrist. Not just an ordinary psychiatrist, but one that writes books about on-line mental health.
But it is much more than that. You see, the Christiandom member here can post that Christianity is the only religion that has a way back to God, but I am prohibited from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that includes a way back to God from a Jewish perspective.
Let us look at a post in question that I am objecting to here as being that it is allowed to stand as then supportive and civil.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
And then this about Jews is posted and could be seen as civil here and supportive.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html

Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ptdwn » Dr. Bob

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:10:00

In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on November 14, 2013, at 23:48:27

> > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
>
> Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
>
> --
>
> > > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
> >
> > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
>
> That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
>
> I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
>
> I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
>
> > > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
>
> At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
>
> I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
>
> Bob

Mr. Hsiung,
Let us look at this post:
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html

Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ovkoar~

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:54:30

In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ptdwn » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:10:00

> > > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> >
> > Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
> >
> > --
> >
> > > > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
> > >
> > > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> >
> > That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
> >
> > I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
> >
> > I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
> >
> > > > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
> >
> > At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
> >
> > I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> Let us look at this post:
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html

Mr Hsiung,
Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
Lou Pilder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html

Lou's response to Scott's post, more-wursd

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 20:04:58

In reply to Lou's response-, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 10:52:01

> > > Lou so this makes you special like an Angel do the Jews believe in Angels as I don't know. So if I'm not a Jew and I ignore the message. I am not responsible? Phillipa
> >
> > Good piece of logic, Phillipa.
> >
> > If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou Pilder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the savior? Perhaps Lou should seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou. I think that both pleas come from the heart, even if they are rejected reciprocally.
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> It is written above. It is difficult for me to have the understanding of what the poster is wanting others to understand from what he wrote for there is much more here about this.
> The plea "to accept Jesus as the Savior" is in a post that has been ruled to be not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community if the statement includes that it is the {only} way to have Eternal Life and forgiveness from God.
> But this could be problematic because Mr Hsiung has not notated the following as to if it is or is not in the same category. The statement says something like,[...Christianity is the {only} religion that has a way back to God...].
> That statement puts down Jews and Islamic people and any other person that has a religion that does have a way back to God that is not a Christian religion. The statement insults Islamic people and Jewish people and Hindu people and all other people that have a religion that could have a way back to God other than the Christian way. The statement can be seen as civil and supportive here due to the nature of Mr. Hsiung's written terms of service here and his written policy that have not been changed yet, although there could be a change to the TOS here. I do not accept Mr. Hsiung allowing the statement to remain naked of any sanction until he changes the written TOS that can be seen now, to say something that would allow the statement to be civil and supportive. And even if he changes his written TOS here to allow it to stand, the statement could still put down Jews and Islamic people and the others that I have written here as included, and Islamic people and others could still consider the statement an insult to Islam and feel offended for if Mr Hsiung does make that written change to his TOS, he then could be seen as fostering insults to Islam and Judaism and the others by allowing the statement to be determined by him to be civil and supportive. This IMHO would be a worse thing for this community as it would allow hatred toward Jews and Islamic people and the others to be considered by a subset of readers to be supportive and good for this community as a whole because Mr. Hsiung says to trust him in that he does what will be good for this community as a whole.
> Here is the statement that a subset of readers could think is supportive and civil here due to the fact that it stands unsanctioned and Mr. Hsiung says that even a small insult could start a forest fire and that he does not wait to put it out, a fire of hate as I see it. And the fire could grow and grow and grow outside of this forum and just because it could start here does not mean that it could not spread beyond here as readers could carry the flame of hate to other communities as seeing it as supportive by a psychiatrist. Not just an ordinary psychiatrist, but one that writes books about on-line mental health.
> But it is much more than that. You see, the Christiandom member here can post that Christianity is the only religion that has a way back to God, but I am prohibited from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that includes a way back to God from a Jewish perspective.
> Let us look at a post in question that I am objecting to here as being that it is allowed to stand as then supportive and civil.
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html
> And then this about Jews is posted and could be seen as civil here and supportive.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20041109/msgs/428781.html

Friends,
The aspect of the message that Phillipa writes about that has Scott replying to, brings up as to what my message is. I have not posted the message due to the prohibitions posted to me here by Mr. Hsuing.
Now Scott writes,[...If one does not listen to the pleas of Lou Pilder, a Jew, is that any different from Lou PIlder ignoring the pleas of a Christian to accept Jesus as the Savior? ....]
Whatever the plea of mine is, it is not specified here.
And going on with what Scott wrote,[... Lou {should} seek tolerance of the pleas and beliefs of others as others have been asked to tolerate those of Lou..].
The issue here going on now is that there are statements that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that do not accept the claims of Christiandom. One stated above and here is another one.
Here the statement says that one of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if the religion has an agenda not centered in Christ. The statement puts down Jews and Islamic people and all other religions that are organized and have an agenda not centered in Christ. The rule is in Mr. Hsiung's terms of service that is well-known. Yet today, the statement stands as being seen by a subset of readers as supportive and conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community. The statement is an insult to Judaism and Islam and the rest that I have included. And Mr Hsiung states that he does what will be good for this community and to try to trust him at that.
But the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me is not allowed by Mr. Hsiung for me to post here. That is then also good for this community as a whole? Whose being tolerant of whom?
Lou
to see this post:
look at the second list as #5
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html

Re: Lou's response to Scott's post, more-wursd » Lou Pilder

Posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2013, at 20:37:08

In reply to Lou's response to Scott's post, more-wursd, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 20:04:58

What about Mormons, Jehovah's Whitness's and other religions. What about Spiritualism? Phillipa

Lou's reply-smth/rusul » Phillipa

Posted by Lou PIlder on November 15, 2013, at 20:41:37

In reply to Re: Lou's response to Scott's post, more-wursd » Lou Pilder, posted by Phillipa on November 15, 2013, at 20:37:08

> What about Mormons, Jehovah's Whitness's and other religions. What about Spiritualism? Phillipa

Phillipa,
In what respect in regards to those organized religions?
Lou

Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion

Posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2013, at 22:20:47

In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ovkoar~, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:54:30

> > Let us look at this post:
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
>
> Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html

Sorry, could you repeat the question?

Bob

Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-haytminr

Posted by Lou PIlder on November 16, 2013, at 5:24:11

In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-ovkoar~, posted by Lou Pilder on November 15, 2013, at 16:54:30

> > > > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > >
> > > Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > > > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
> > > >
> > > > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> > >
> > > That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
> > >
> > > I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
> > >
> > > I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
> > >
> > > > > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
> > >
> > > At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
> > >
> > > I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr. Hsiung,
> > Let us look at this post:
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> Lou Pilder
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html

Mr. Hsiung et al,
The thinking that IMHO a subset of readers here could get is that you are wanting antisemitism to be considered to be a minor violation here so that you do not have to sanction the antisemitism, as you state that police do not tend to ticket people for "minor" violations. I do not consider statements that could put down Jews to be minor in any setting, and in particular a mental health community owned and oporated by a psychiatrist that has rules against it.
Let us look at your rules and how they are enforced.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
Mr Hsiung states here that he does not see a need to enforce his own rule that says that antisemitic statements put down Jews and are not civil. Mr Hsiung states that others are not likely to see antisemitic statements (allowed to stand) as being supportive and good for the community.
Here are the antisemitic statements that are in discussuon and as of now they can be seen IMHO by a subset of readers as being supportive and good for the community because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that he does what will be good for this communnity as a whole.
In this one, Jews and Islamic people and others are put in the catagory of having a religion that is in the top ten worst reasons for them to be an organized religion because they have an agenda not centered in Christ. Look at the second list as #5.
Now that statement in #5 puts down Jews, Islamic people, Hindus and all other organized religions that have an agenda not centered in Christ. And worse than that, there could be a subset of people greatly offended by the allowing of this to stand here. This could IMHO harm their mental health to feel humiliated that this site allows that to be seen as supportive and good for this community because it is alowed to stand. The effects of humiliation to people in a group are well-documented by psychologists and you can do a search of your own to see how hate could be promulgated in a community by the leader and his constintuancy contolling the content as to that they determine what is a minor violation of rules or not. In this statement in question, those that are in an organized religion that has their agenda not centered in Christ, have the worst reason for them to be an organized religion which means to a subset of readers that Christiandom people are an organized religion that does not have one of the worst reasons for them to be an organized religion. This fits the generally accepted meaning of what is meant by {put down}. This is not a minor issue to me, for hatred toward groups that the leader allows to be defamed can be promoted by the allowing of Jews and others to be put down and seen as groups that have one of the worst reasons for their existance. Millios of Jewish children have had atrocities commited to them and then murdered by people who thought that they were better than Jews. This statement in question can IMHO stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and others, for Mr Hsiung has not taken back that his thinking is that one match could start a forest fire. Look at the secoond list as #5.
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
Then in the following, the statement says something like that Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God. That puts down Jews and Islamic people and all other people that have a faith that is not christiandom based that does have a pathhway back to God The statement could offer a subset of people to post what is analogous to that put down of the Jews and others as being "minor" violation of the rules and not worthy of a "ticket", for I do see a need to address the post so that a subset of readers could not get the idea that antisemitism is suoportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
Lou
Here look at line #6
http://www.dr-bob.org/babblefaith/20080404/msgs/832720.html

correction:replyThe Hsiung-Pilder -haytminr

Posted by Lou PIlder on November 16, 2013, at 5:29:55

In reply to Lou's replyThe Hsiung-Pilder discussion-haytminr, posted by Lou PIlder on November 16, 2013, at 5:24:11

> > > > > I think that you already agree with me here concerning this post. So it then becomes as to if you will notate the post as to that it is not conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community or not.
> > > >
> > > > Have I posted that I agreed with you? If so, you could notate it yourself with a link to my post.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > > > I think we disagree about the likelihood of (1) that statement being seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that leading to you being traumatized.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now if there is a subset of readers that could think that, then the "match" could light the fire of hate and stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and Islamic people and that subset of readers that post such could think that they are doing what you appreciate them to do ... The aspect of how likely that could happen is not in your terms of service, for it reads not to post {anything} that could put down those of other faiths. And anyway, I have not given my thoughts here on how likely or not statements that put down Jews could cause another to target a Jew for murder. So I can not think of why you have any reason to say that you disagree with me in relation to how likely that could happen, for I never stated my opinion about that quantity.
> > > >
> > > > That's a good point, maybe I should rephrase that:
> > > >
> > > > I think we disagree about whether there's a need for me to address those posts. I imagine you see a need because you think it's likely that (1) those posts will be seen as supportive and good for this community and (2) that will lead to you being traumatized. I don't see a need because I don't think that's likely.
> > > >
> > > > I used to try to address all incivility, to try to make this a refuge. Did you prefer that? I don't think you'd be alone.
> > > >
> > > > > > I expect everyone to be civil all the time. Respecting the speed limit most of the time doesn't mean we get to speed the rest of the time.
> > > >
> > > > At the same time, the police tend not to ticket people for minor violations.
> > > >
> > > > I appreciate your tolerance and resilience. I see you as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change.
> > > >
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > > Mr. Hsiung,
> > > Let us look at this post:
> > > Lou
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> > Lou Pilder
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
>
> Mr. Hsiung et al,
> The thinking that IMHO a subset of readers here could get is that you are wanting antisemitism to be considered to be a minor violation here so that you do not have to sanction the antisemitism, as you state that police do not tend to ticket people for "minor" violations. I do not consider statements that could put down Jews to be minor in any setting, and in particular a mental health community owned and oporated by a psychiatrist that has rules against it.
> Let us look at your rules and how they are enforced.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#civil
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#enforce
> Mr Hsiung states here that he does not see a need to enforce his own rule that says that antisemitic statements put down Jews and are not civil. Mr Hsiung states that others are not likely to see antisemitic statements (allowed to stand) as being supportive and good for the community.
> Here are the antisemitic statements that are in discussuon and as of now they can be seen IMHO by a subset of readers as being supportive and good for the community because Mr Hsiung states that support takes precedence and that he does what will be good for this communnity as a whole.
> In this one, Jews and Islamic people and others are put in the catagory of having a religion that is in the top ten worst reasons for them to be an organized religion because they have an agenda not centered in Christ. Look at the second list as #5.
> Now that statement in #5 puts down Jews, Islamic people, Hindus and all other organized religions that have an agenda not centered in Christ. And worse than that, there could be a subset of people greatly offended by the allowing of this to stand here. This could IMHO harm their mental health to feel humiliated that this site allows that to be seen as supportive and good for this community because it is alowed to stand. The effects of humiliation to people in a group are well-documented by psychologists and you can do a search of your own to see how hate could be promulgated in a community by the leader and his constintuancy contolling the content as to that they determine what is a minor violation of rules or not. In this statement in question, those that are in an organized religion that has their agenda not centered in Christ, have the worst reason for them to be an organized religion which means to a subset of readers that Christiandom people are an organized religion that does not have one of the worst reasons for them to be an organized religion. This fits the generally accepted meaning of what is meant by {put down}. This is not a minor issue to me, for hatred toward groups that the leader allows to be defamed can be promoted by the allowing of Jews and others to be put down and seen as groups that have one of the worst reasons for their existance. Millios of Jewish children have had atrocities commited to them and then murdered by people who thought that they were better than Jews. This statement in question can IMHO stoke the furnace of hatred toward the Jews and others, for Mr Hsiung has not taken back that his thinking is that one match could start a forest fire. Look at the secoond list as #5.
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20040729/msgs/378930.html
> Then in the following, the statement says something like that Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God. That puts down Jews and Islamic people and all other people that have a faith that is not christiandom based that does have a pathhway back to God The statement could offer a subset of people to post what is analogous to that put down of the Jews and others as being "minor" violation of the rules and not worthy of a "ticket", for I do see a need to address the post so that a subset of readers could not get the idea that antisemitism is suoportive and will be good for this community as a whole.
> Lou
> Here look at line #6
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babblefaith/20080404/msgs/832720.html

correction:
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080404/msgs/832720.html

Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-alhey » Dr. Bob

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 18, 2013, at 9:27:51

In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on November 15, 2013, at 22:20:47

> > > Let us look at this post:
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
> >
> > Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> >
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
>
> Sorry, could you repeat the question?
>
> Bob

Mr Hsiung,
I had asked for you and others to review your terms of service here both by your written TOS in the FAQ and how they are enforced as well as other policies stated outside of the FAQ Tos.
It is generally accepted that when a body makes rules , the written rules like you have in your FAQ take precedence over any other rule outside of the main body of rules in a TOS declaration that you have here in your FAQ.
This does bring up some questions that if you could post answers to them here, then I could post my response to you. True of False
A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.
B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down. This could be in
1.[...Christianity is the only religion that offers a pathway back to God...]
an,
2.[...One of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ...]
Those two can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you because you do agree that readers that see a statement that is not sanctioned by you could think that, and you are taking back your thinking on what you agreed with me about in respect to that
C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here without any sanction because now you are taking back the definition agree with me here that anti-Semitic statement are those that put down Jews.
D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ to let readers now know that statements like the ones that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that are standing here will be allowed to be posted along with any other statement that is analogous to those.
E. other question to follow if you post answers to the above questions.
Lou PIlder

Lou's reply-howyagonnagetdemanzrs? » 10derheart

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 19, 2013, at 5:59:52

In reply to Lou Pilder » Lou Pilder, posted by 10derheart on November 11, 2013, at 18:36:56

> As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."
>
> Decency is a good and useful quality -- perhaps you could try it sometime. Have a wonderful day, Lou.

10,
You wrote,[...as long as you...I will not respond to your "questions"..].
I am unsure then as to if you will respond to my questions if:
A. I re write the question?
B. Someone else asks you the same questions in my behalf?
C. Another former deputy here posts answers to the same questions?
D. Mr. Hsiung posts answers t the same questions?
E. something else
Lou

Re: Lou's reply-howyagonnagetdemanzrs?

Posted by SLS on November 19, 2013, at 7:45:21

In reply to Lou's reply-howyagonnagetdemanzrs? » 10derheart, posted by Lou Pilder on November 19, 2013, at 5:59:52

> > As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."

> 10,
> You wrote,[...as long as you...I will not respond to your "questions"..].
> I am unsure then as to if you will respond to my questions if:
> A. I re write the question?
> B. Someone else asks you the same questions in my behalf?
> C. Another former deputy here posts answers to the same questions?
> D. Mr. Hsiung posts answers t the same questions?
> E. something else
> Lou

10derheart has no mandate to respond to any of Lou Pilder's questions. Simple.

I would like to see Lou Pilder learn to be more sensitive to feelings others. I thought the observation made by 10derheart regarding his posts to her are accurate. Mr Pilder's subject lines are not terribly cryptic, and can be extrememly uncivil, especially when his posts allude to the behavior or character of others. In my estimation, such posts mutilate civility and provoke others into saying things in anger that they wouldn't say otherwise.

I wonder if Mr. Pilder ever observes that he ask the same questions over and over again. To me, the majority of them seem rhetorical and act as statements to further an agenda.

Lou Pilder, I will here ask my question of you a second time:

> > I say to you, that I have never seen good come from hate

Do you hate 10derheart? YES or NO

I love her. She is quite extraordinary.

- Scott

Lou's reply-psnoughbalz » SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 19, 2013, at 12:30:43

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-howyagonnagetdemanzrs?, posted by SLS on November 19, 2013, at 7:45:21

> > > As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."
>
> > 10,
> > You wrote,[...as long as you...I will not respond to your "questions"..].
> > I am unsure then as to if you will respond to my questions if:
> > A. I re write the question?
> > B. Someone else asks you the same questions in my behalf?
> > C. Another former deputy here posts answers to the same questions?
> > D. Mr. Hsiung posts answers t the same questions?
> > E. something else
> > Lou
>
> 10derheart has no mandate to respond to any of Lou Pilder's questions. Simple.
>
> I would like to see Lou Pilder learn to be more sensitive to feelings others. I thought the observation made by 10derheart regarding his posts to her are accurate. Mr Pilder's subject lines are not terribly cryptic, and can be extrememly uncivil, especially when his posts allude to the behavior or character of others. In my estimation, such posts mutilate civility and provoke others into saying things in anger that they wouldn't say otherwise.
>
> I wonder if Mr. Pilder ever observes that he ask the same questions over and over again. To me, the majority of them seem rhetorical and act as statements to further an agenda.
>
> Lou Pilder, I will here ask my question of you a second time:
>
> > > I say to you, that I have never seen good come from hate
>
> Do you hate 10derheart? YES or NO
>
> I love her. She is quite extraordinary.
>
>
> - Scott
>
Scott,
You wrote that the former deputy here in question has no mandate to respond to any of my questions.
I tend to lean to that there is an implied duty for Mr. Hsiung and his deputy now and his former deputies to respond to any questions from others here that have to do with what could be good for this community as a whole because that is part of the TOS here. Others could disagree with me, but is not the health of others here what takes precedence? And if so, could not answers to the questions to them facilitate better health to some readers?
The issues at hand here are the posts that Mr. Hsiung agrees with me are anti-Semitic posts because they put down Jews. In some cases, they put down Islamic people and others also. This is all part of the TOS here in relation to Mr. Hsiung's section on what is or is not civil and how he enforces that. Mr. Hsiung has posted that he is in the realm of the thinking that one match could cause a forest fire so he does not wait to sanction that so that the fire will not spread. That is an analogy that even small statements of unsupportiveness, like a match, could cause a huge fire of hate like a match igniting other combustibles and the small insult (if it is small, but could be large in other people's minds) posted toward Jews and others here being allowed to stand could stoke the furnace of hate which psychologists have written extensively about as to how hate in a community allowed to burn in the minds of the members could effect their health and the hate could be acted out both toward others and themselves! Mr Hsiung has posted here that he does not disagree with me in a lot about that, so the aspect of allowing anti-Semitic statements to stand could be seen by some as an unsound mental-health practice.
I am trying to offset those in authority here that will not or have not sanctioned statements that could put down Jews and others. Two in discussion now put down Jews and others such as
A.[...Christianity is the only religion that offers a pathway back to God...], and,
B. [...One of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ...].
Both of those IMHHHO could cause great emotional/psychological harm to some readers because they put down Judaism, Islam and other religions that are not Christian religions. I think that it could go a long way in preventing deaths, suicides to those that are not Christian from being bullied or discriminated upon if they were addressed according to the TOS here, for I am prohibited by Mr. Hsiung from posting the foundation of Judaism as revealed to me that IMHHHHHO could save lives, prevent life-ruining conditions and addictions and show how one could have a pathway back to God from a Jewish perspective that is prohibited for me to post here by Mr. Hsiung.
Mr Hsiung agrees with me that genocide, slavery, infanticide and discrimination are abuses of power when a leader of a community commits such or fosters such. I think that it could go a long way to make this community better as a whole if my questions to Mr. Hsiung and the former deputy are answered here. My question, is what could be a rational reason for anyone to want otherwise?
Lou

Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion

Posted by Dr. Bob on November 26, 2013, at 23:36:00

In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-alhey » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on November 18, 2013, at 9:27:51

> The thinking that IMHO a subset of readers here could get is that you are wanting antisemitism to be considered to be a minor violation here so that you do not have to sanction the antisemitism, as you state that police do not tend to ticket people for "minor" violations. I do not consider statements that could put down Jews to be minor in any setting

That's true, there's the theoretical possibility that a subset of readers could get that idea. I'm willing to accept that risk.

I do consider some statements in some settings to be minor violations.

I remain open to negotiating a compromise. Let me know if you'd like to give that a try.

> A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.

False. One match might -- but might not -- start a forest fire.

> B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down.

Did I post that? If so, could you show me where?

> C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here

False. I might allow some statements that I don't see as anti-Semitic, but others do.

> D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ

False.

Bob

Re: daanzr » SLS

Posted by Dr. Bob on November 26, 2013, at 23:41:56

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-howyagonnagetdemanzrs?, posted by SLS on November 19, 2013, at 7:45:21

> such posts ... provoke others into saying things in anger that they wouldn't say otherwise.

I agree, they could. So I see him as helping others to learn the serenity of accepting the things they cannot change. One match doesn't have to start a forest fire.

Bob

Lou's reply- The Hsiung-Pilder discussion- » Dr. Bob

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 27, 2013, at 20:43:06

In reply to Re: The Hsiung-Pilder discussion, posted by Dr. Bob on November 26, 2013, at 23:36:00

> > The thinking that IMHO a subset of readers here could get is that you are wanting antisemitism to be considered to be a minor violation here so that you do not have to sanction the antisemitism, as you state that police do not tend to ticket people for "minor" violations. I do not consider statements that could put down Jews to be minor in any setting
>
> That's true, there's the theoretical possibility that a subset of readers could get that idea. I'm willing to accept that risk.
>
> I do consider some statements in some settings to be minor violations.
>
> I remain open to negotiating a compromise. Let me know if you'd like to give that a try.
>
> > A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.
>
> False. One match might -- but might not -- start a forest fire.
>
> > B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down.
>
> Did I post that? If so, could you show me where?
>
> > C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here
>
> False. I might allow some statements that I don't see as anti-Semitic, but others do.
>
> > D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ
>
> False.
>
> Bob

Mr. Hsiung,
You asked as to where there is that you posted that you did not have a way to determine if someone read something and they felt put down when they read it.
This comes from the following post where in "C", this is brought out and you posted your answer to that as [...of course not...].
Lou PIlder
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html

Lou's reply-vhngeznizmynsezHe » SLS

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2013, at 8:11:08

In reply to Re: Lou's reply-howyagonnagetdemanzrs?, posted by SLS on November 19, 2013, at 7:45:21

> > > As long as you include words like complicity and co-conspirator in your subject lines directed to me, and refer to inciting people to violence, causing death, anti-Semitism and beheadings in your posts relating to me and other (present or former) deputies, there is not a SNOWBALL'S CHANCE IN HADES I will respond to your "questions."
>
> > 10,
> > You wrote,[...as long as you...I will not respond to your "questions"..].
> > I am unsure then as to if you will respond to my questions if:
> > A. I re write the question?
> > B. Someone else asks you the same questions in my behalf?
> > C. Another former deputy here posts answers to the same questions?
> > D. Mr. Hsiung posts answers t the same questions?
> > E. something else
> > Lou
>
> 10derheart has no mandate to respond to any of Lou Pilder's questions. Simple.
>
> I would like to see Lou Pilder learn to be more sensitive to feelings others. I thought the observation made by 10derheart regarding his posts to her are accurate. Mr Pilder's subject lines are not terribly cryptic, and can be extrememly uncivil, especially when his posts allude to the behavior or character of others. In my estimation, such posts mutilate civility and provoke others into saying things in anger that they wouldn't say otherwise.
>
> I wonder if Mr. Pilder ever observes that he ask the same questions over and over again. To me, the majority of them seem rhetorical and act as statements to further an agenda.
>
> Lou Pilder, I will here ask my question of you a second time:
>
> > > I say to you, that I have never seen good come from hate
>
> Do you hate 10derheart? YES or NO
>
> I love her. She is quite extraordinary.
>
>
> - Scott
>
Friends,
The issue here now is concerning statements that could lead a Jew, or Islamic person or others that are in an organized religion that has an agenda not centered in Christ to feel put down when they read those statements in question. And now Mr Hsiung brings up as to what is a "minor" put down or a major put down.
Those statements that could lead people of other faiths to feel put down have been in the past sanctioned by the deputies or Mr. Hsiung.
The question to me here by Scott is if I hate a former deputy.
My question here is could not the deputies not using their power to sanction anti-Semitic statements cause outrage to Jews and other people of other faiths that also could feel put down when they read a statement that is allowed to stand that could lead those in question to feel put down? The feelings that Jews could have by seeing anti-Semitic statements being allowed to stand by all of the deputies can cause a Jew to speculate as to why all of those deputies have not responded to the notifications that the deputies state to use that feature to report anti-Semitic statements. As to if that could cause me to hate them, I guess it could cause outrage and that could lead to hatred toward them for some to seek vengeance against them. But the God that I give service and worship to, which is the same as the Jews do, is a Sun and a Shield. And that God has a promise to those that give service and worship to Him, which is that He says that vengeance is His and not for those to seek such, for He will exact vengeance Himself. And hate is something that I can be shielded from penetrating me so that hatred does not destroy me. I hope that others reading here that are Jews or Islamic or the others that have their faith put down here also are shielded by their faith from the spears of hate that can be seen as coming at them.
The two statements in question that are those that could put down Jews and Islamic persons and the others in question are something like:
[...One of the top ten worst reasons for organized religion is if their aged is not centered in Christ...] and,
[...Christianity is the only religion that has a pathway back to God...]
Lou
Here is a post of the past practice that defines in part what puts down those of other faiths.
[ faith, 690854 ]

Lou's reply-Th Hsiung-Pilder discussion-psehypgaux

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2013, at 10:54:20

In reply to Lou's reply-The Hsiung-Pilder discussion-alhey » Dr. Bob, posted by Lou Pilder on November 18, 2013, at 9:27:51

> > > > Let us look at this post:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
> > >
> > > Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> > >
> > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
> >
> > Sorry, could you repeat the question?
> >
> > Bob
>
> Mr Hsiung,
> I had asked for you and others to review your terms of service here both by your written TOS in the FAQ and how they are enforced as well as other policies stated outside of the FAQ Tos.
> It is generally accepted that when a body makes rules , the written rules like you have in your FAQ take precedence over any other rule outside of the main body of rules in a TOS declaration that you have here in your FAQ.
> This does bring up some questions that if you could post answers to them here, then I could post my response to you. True of False
> A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.
> B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down. This could be in
> 1.[...Christianity is the only religion that offers a pathway back to God...]
> an,
> 2.[...One of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ...]
> Those two can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you because you do agree that readers that see a statement that is not sanctioned by you could think that, and you are taking back your thinking on what you agreed with me about in respect to that
> C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here without any sanction because now you are taking back the definition agree with me here that anti-Semitic statement are those that put down Jews.
> D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ to let readers now know that statements like the ones that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that are standing here will be allowed to be posted along with any other statement that is analogous to those.
> E. other question to follow if you post answers to the above questions.
> Lou PIlder

Mr. Hsiung,
You asked for a compromise. I will not stop trying to have you address, as other posts of the same nature are addressed here by you, the two statements in question, and others that put down Jews and that could lead a Jew and Islamic person and others to feel put down when they read it to be allowed to be seen as supportive and civil here by you and your previous deputies because they are unsanctioned and you agree that there could be a subset of readers that could think that by you not sanctioning a statement, that it is supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole. One match could start a forest fire and those statements have historical implications that you have posted to me here prohibitions so that I can not post here my response to you for what is happening here to show the historical parallels where 1 1/2 million of Jewish children were murdered in a period of time where the anti-Semitic statements here were state-sponsored.
But be it as it may be that the statements in question are still under consideration, we could go on to the next one here.
In this statement that has historical implications and parallels to inciting hatred toward the Jews, others that wanted to blame the Jews and use them for scapegoats and to use Jews to justify their own behavior as being caused by the Jews, (redacted by respondent) and I want you to address this now. If not, others could IMHHO use me and other Jews as a scapegoat for their own posts by saying that what I posted caused them to post what they did and think that because it is unsanctioned, it is state-sponsored here.
Lou Pilder
To see this post, go to the bottom of this page in the search box and type in:
[ admin, 678224 ]
see verse 25

Lou's reply-Th Hsiung-Pilder discussion-pstilburng

Posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2013, at 11:35:04

In reply to Lou's reply-Th Hsiung-Pilder discussion-psehypgaux, posted by Lou Pilder on November 28, 2013, at 10:54:20

> > > > > Let us look at this post:
> > > > >
> > > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20030530/msgs/251820.html
> > > >
> > > > Now let's look at this post. Look at "C" and your answer to that.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20120228/msgs/1020760.html
> > >
> > > Sorry, could you repeat the question?
> > >
> > > Bob
> >
> > Mr Hsiung,
> > I had asked for you and others to review your terms of service here both by your written TOS in the FAQ and how they are enforced as well as other policies stated outside of the FAQ Tos.
> > It is generally accepted that when a body makes rules , the written rules like you have in your FAQ take precedence over any other rule outside of the main body of rules in a TOS declaration that you have here in your FAQ.
> > This does bring up some questions that if you could post answers to them here, then I could post my response to you. True of False
> > A. You are taking back your thinking that one match could start a forest fire.
> > B. You are taking back your thinking that you do not have a way to determine if , let's say, an Islamic person, or Jewish person or other could be likely to feel put down when they read the insult to their faith here as allowed to stand by you that could lead them to feel put down. This could be in
> > 1.[...Christianity is the only religion that offers a pathway back to God...]
> > an,
> > 2.[...One of the top ten worst reasons for an organized religion is if they have their agenda not centered in Christ...]
> > Those two can be seen as conducive to the civic harmony and welfare of this community and supportive by you because you do agree that readers that see a statement that is not sanctioned by you could think that, and you are taking back your thinking on what you agreed with me about in respect to that
> > C. You are now going to allow statements that could be anti-Semitic to be posted at will here without any sanction because now you are taking back the definition agree with me here that anti-Semitic statement are those that put down Jews.
> > D. You are now going to re right your TOS in the FAQ to let readers now know that statements like the ones that put down Jews and Islamic people and others that are standing here will be allowed to be posted along with any other statement that is analogous to those.
> > E. other question to follow if you post answers to the above questions.
> > Lou PIlder
>
> Mr. Hsiung,
> You asked for a compromise. I will not stop trying to have you address, as other posts of the same nature are addressed here by you, the two statements in question, and others that put down Jews and that could lead a Jew and Islamic person and others to feel put down when they read it to be allowed to be seen as supportive and civil here by you and your previous deputies because they are unsanctioned and you agree that there could be a subset of readers that could think that by you not sanctioning a statement, that it is supportive and civil and will be good for this community as a whole. One match could start a forest fire and those statements have historical implications that you have posted to me here prohibitions so that I can not post here my response to you for what is happening here to show the historical parallels where 1 1/2 million of Jewish children were murdered in a period of time where the anti-Semitic statements here were state-sponsored.
> But be it as it may be that the statements in question are still under consideration, we could go on to the next one here.
> In this statement that has historical implications and parallels to inciting hatred toward the Jews, others that wanted to blame the Jews and use them for scapegoats and to use Jews to justify their own behavior as being caused by the Jews, (redacted by respondent) and I want you to address this now. If not, others could IMHHO use me and other Jews as a scapegoat for their own posts by saying that what I posted caused them to post what they did and think that because it is unsanctioned, it is state-sponsored here.
> Lou Pilder
> To see this post, go to the bottom of this page in the search box and type in:
> [ admin, 678224 ]
> see verse 25
Friends,
Do you know where this comes from? And do you know how it has been used and by whom? It came way before 1933. To see where this comes from, and how there could be a subset of people that could think in anti-Semitic terms from reading such as the statements in question could be thought to be supportive and civil and good for this community as a whole by the nature that some could think that unsanctioned statements are supportive and civil here, go to Google and type in:
[ Strateias.org, Luther ]
It is usually first and there is the word "Extracts" in the subject line.
Lou

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