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Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 16:54:30
ugh i hope this post is not going to be a flop and no post to it....but anyways...i've been praying to God....Jesus Christ for healing of my infirmaties...and it just is so frustrating to believe and then nothing happens...you know having all the faith in the world and then feel like your destroyed when it all turned out to be an illusion/delusion.
its just frustrating trying to find God. The only couple times I've had the spirit filled me was once when I was 17 and I was trying my best to do my assinments for class and everyone got them done, no problem...and went to parties, and I sat there slowly trying to figure out the assinment at home. I was torn up for not having support besides my mom, I went into my room and let it out bad, it was the desolate feeling alone, behind, can't connect with others...cried hard for a while...but I felt this tingling feeling on my forehead and through out my body...and felt this presence it wasnt a outside see or hearing, but I could feel this presence come over my body, saying jesus christ is inside me...this complete feeling of like water of life flowed through me....the sorrow went away, not all of it, but it was a precious feeling of hope. Since then, i've been seeking that same spirit, and I can't find it, once and while at night when im praying I can feel it but it goes away. I read about it all the time, and never find anything.
But still enough with that yakyak...I just hope that i'll find healing, i've heard of people had miraculis things happen, cancer being healed, demonic forces leaving, people being healed with every kinda of infirmaty....but its just rare, you don't walk down the street and see this, it doesnt happen often, and there's been many preachers that got into a delusion they could heal and it didnt happen. You don't see a ray of light in your room and suddenly be healed, its a rare event when it does happen.
But, i have to ask people here...i mean how do you see this kinda of healing taking place? like begging God, over and over for a miracle to happen? I've been trying to be healed of social impairment, but here on babble i have no problem writing and discussing things, its just im not a social guy...and have not found a solution.
Well....i just want relief, feel that feeling of life going through me again..
any thoughts would be great...:)
r
Posted by schleprock on December 11, 2012, at 17:55:10
In reply to spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 16:54:30
A lot of us feel the same way about Dr. Bob.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 19:34:58
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...??, posted by schleprock on December 11, 2012, at 17:55:10
haha....:)
Posted by willyyeee on December 12, 2012, at 1:53:08
In reply to spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 16:54:30
Sorry i couldent read your whole post,so im commenting on the topic,i found god a few years ago,then jesus,and what i find i love to do when i pray is not say a scripted hail mary type of prayer,god dont want that,he wants to hear from you,so i go to my relaxing place,where im alone and i smoke my cig and in a low voice i talk to jesus,i even get angry and said lord what is going on,et etc and when i walk away i feel a great feeling inside.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 12, 2012, at 18:08:13
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...??, posted by willyyeee on December 12, 2012, at 1:53:08
yea....everytime I pray hard...or write a letter to god and put it up on my alter in my room...its like this feeling of gladness, or joy...even thought nothing happened, its like that feeling in the spirit. It's difficult for me to hear God...alot, get mixed messages which is my own thoughts just playing around with me, so I have to filter those out. I think its sometihng called the Holy Spirit...i dunno i've read about that many times in scriptures....and on the net too....and say that's how God communcates with us, also through random signs in life....
thanks for the post..:)
r
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 12, 2012, at 20:31:09
In reply to spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 16:54:30
> ugh i hope this post is not going to be a flop and no post to it....but anyways...i've been praying to God....Jesus Christ for healing of my infirmaties...and it just is so frustrating to believe and then nothing happens...you know having all the faith in the world and then feel like your destroyed when it all turned out to be an illusion/delusion.
>
> its just frustrating trying to find God. The only couple times I've had the spirit filled me was once when I was 17 and I was trying my best to do my assinments for class and everyone got them done, no problem...and went to parties, and I sat there slowly trying to figure out the assinment at home. I was torn up for not having support besides my mom, I went into my room and let it out bad, it was the desolate feeling alone, behind, can't connect with others...cried hard for a while...but I felt this tingling feeling on my forehead and through out my body...and felt this presence it wasnt a outside see or hearing, but I could feel this presence come over my body, saying jesus christ is inside me...this complete feeling of like water of life flowed through me....the sorrow went away, not all of it, but it was a precious feeling of hope. Since then, i've been seeking that same spirit, and I can't find it, once and while at night when im praying I can feel it but it goes away. I read about it all the time, and never find anything.
>
> But still enough with that yakyak...I just hope that i'll find healing, i've heard of people had miraculis things happen, cancer being healed, demonic forces leaving, people being healed with every kinda of infirmaty....but its just rare, you don't walk down the street and see this, it doesnt happen often, and there's been many preachers that got into a delusion they could heal and it didnt happen. You don't see a ray of light in your room and suddenly be healed, its a rare event when it does happen.
>
> But, i have to ask people here...i mean how do you see this kinda of healing taking place? like begging God, over and over for a miracle to happen? I've been trying to be healed of social impairment, but here on babble i have no problem writing and discussing things, its just im not a social guy...and have not found a solution.
>
> Well....i just want relief, feel that feeling of life going through me again..
>
> any thoughts would be great...:)
>
> r
rj,
You wrote,[...how do you see this kind of healing taking place...?].
It has been revealed to me how this healing can take place. I am prevented from posting that here due to the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung.
But you can go through the archives and see some of this revealtion. .
Now there is a start. And when I was seeking healing, I was in a park and there was a man speaking to a crowd that was mocking and taunting him. One called out," If you are what you say, turn these stones into bread." He said to them," Man shall not live by bread alone." Then he went from them to a hill where there was a lot of people and the scoffers followed him. One yelled out to him, "If we are not to live by bread alone, what else is there to live for?" He called out to them, "Repent, for The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."
Lou
Posted by schleprock on December 12, 2012, at 22:29:34
In reply to Lou's response-pseakphurz » rjlockhart37, posted by Lou Pilder on December 12, 2012, at 20:31:09
> > ugh i hope this post is not going to be a flop and no post to it....but anyways...i've been praying to God....Jesus Christ for healing of my infirmaties...and it just is so frustrating to believe and then nothing happens...you know having all the faith in the world and then feel like your destroyed when it all turned out to be an illusion/delusion.
> >
> > its just frustrating trying to find God. The only couple times I've had the spirit filled me was once when I was 17 and I was trying my best to do my assinments for class and everyone got them done, no problem...and went to parties, and I sat there slowly trying to figure out the assinment at home. I was torn up for not having support besides my mom, I went into my room and let it out bad, it was the desolate feeling alone, behind, can't connect with others...cried hard for a while...but I felt this tingling feeling on my forehead and through out my body...and felt this presence it wasnt a outside see or hearing, but I could feel this presence come over my body, saying jesus christ is inside me...this complete feeling of like water of life flowed through me....the sorrow went away, not all of it, but it was a precious feeling of hope. Since then, i've been seeking that same spirit, and I can't find it, once and while at night when im praying I can feel it but it goes away. I read about it all the time, and never find anything.
> >
> > But still enough with that yakyak...I just hope that i'll find healing, i've heard of people had miraculis things happen, cancer being healed, demonic forces leaving, people being healed with every kinda of infirmaty....but its just rare, you don't walk down the street and see this, it doesnt happen often, and there's been many preachers that got into a delusion they could heal and it didnt happen. You don't see a ray of light in your room and suddenly be healed, its a rare event when it does happen.
> >
> > But, i have to ask people here...i mean how do you see this kinda of healing taking place? like begging God, over and over for a miracle to happen? I've been trying to be healed of social impairment, but here on babble i have no problem writing and discussing things, its just im not a social guy...and have not found a solution.
> >
> > Well....i just want relief, feel that feeling of life going through me again..
> >
> > any thoughts would be great...:)
> >
> > r
> rj,
> You wrote,[...how do you see this kind of healing taking place...?].
> It has been revealed to me how this healing can take place. I am prevented from posting that here due to the prohibitions to me by Mr Hsiung.
> But you can go through the archives and see some of this revealtion. .
> Now there is a start. And when I was seeking healing, I was in a park and there was a man speaking to a crowd that was mocking and taunting him. One called out," If you are what you say, turn these stones into bread." He said to them," Man shall not live by bread alone." Then he went from them to a hill where there was a lot of people and the scoffers followed him. One yelled out to him, "If we are not to live by bread alone, what else is there to live for?" He called out to them, "Repent, for The Kingdom of Heaven is at hand."
> Lou
>
>Bread makes me poop.
Posted by SLS on December 12, 2012, at 23:49:44
In reply to spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 16:54:30
Finding God? Why are you so frustrated? Not happening quickly enough for you? How will you know when you do find Him? How do you think your life will change?
How would you feel if God doesn't answer your prayers immediately or in the way you would like for him too? Would you keep praying and loving him anyway?
This would be an interesting topic to discuss on the Faith board.
- Scott
Posted by bleauberry on December 13, 2012, at 5:28:36
In reply to spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 16:54:30
You touched upon a subject I deal with daily, and probably millions of people throughout history have asked the same questions as you.
I can share my own experiences. In the old days jesus did a lot of healing, but these days I don't see much of that. You gotta figure, nations that turn their backs to God, outlaw His name in schools and public places....is this God really supposed to just ignore all that and be a magic wand for anybody's desires? God stands for those who are loyal to His ways and those who seek Him. Seeking Him is not something we do once or twice, it is a frame of mind we are always doing it. We don't want to just invite God into our lives for healing, we want Him for every little detail in everything we do.
What I have found is that He gives me the wisdom to do my own healing. Call it coincidence, a book, a magazine, a goodle page, a word from a friend, whatever, anything....God works through mysterious ways to give us the wisdom we need. Ask Him for the wisdom to deal with your situation. We see a very finite small world....we just want healing....but Hw sees such a bigger picture we cannot even comprehend it. Sometimes I think God allows me to not get completely well for a purpose....He knows I stay close to Him that way, maybe I would drift away from Him if I was well. Maybe I would just get into life and have fun and He would slide into the background. Not good. So illness does have a good side....it allows us the opportunity to talk to God all the time and ask Him to take over the medical steering wheel instead of us. We still drive the car, He just points us in the right direction.
Sometimes miracle healings do happen. So keep praying, always. More than anything though, what we need is the wisdom.
In the end, none of it matters except clinging to Jesus, because when we leave this human experience on earth, we want to be welcome into His kingdom. How about a life of hell with illness, then to die and find out the hell continues forever and ever? Not. I want to be on the other side of that. All that matters to me in my life, is that when it is over, I got to a place that is perfect, no evil, no illness.
If someone believes in God, then by defininition they must also believe in Satan. You do know, the earth at this time is under the authority of Satan. That's where all the evil, illness, and chaos comes from. Bottom line....this is not our home so don't get too bogged down in its troubles. Pray for the wisdom to deal with it, and things will happen.
Bottom line, the purpose of life is to have a relationship with God. Period. That's it. The illness is one way of doing that. The illness will get better in the process.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2012, at 18:08:02
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...?? » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on December 12, 2012, at 23:49:44
Finding God?
-yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16, searching, asking for signs, reading books, and of course have been disappointed many times along the way till now. Also my intrest in Lucifer is similar but I know for a fact God and LCF are tot diffrent, and lucifer can be a psychopath...i get unstable when I try to read about his doctrine, or even try to directly link my mind to the spirit world. Channeling...but still, i know that God is good, not linked nasty dark torments like the other side.Why are you so frustrated?
-because I want to find something more than what we see in this reality, whats beyond the clothing and fashion, current stuff that will not matter in 100 years from now, not to mention a 1000 years...or till the end of time. I have studied extensivly how to see ways of God, but prayer requests are not awnsered. Yet I have to know that God isnt my best friend, he will do what he thinks is best, but still it makes me mad and frustrated.Not happening quickly enough for you?
-yea....asking for the day to go good, my health to improve, my medication actually taking effect, all these things have not been awnsered in short term and long term, i wouldnt be suprised nor disappointed because I know I have asked many things and they where not awnsered. Kinda like pessimistic/reality thinking....not thinking the best will happen, yet not being bothered when the worst happens.
How will you know when you do find Him?
-- I don't know, i've gone to catholic church santuaries, prayer rooms, anything where a logical thinking that where God resides...went there it was empty.How will I know when I find him? ... that's tough, there's alot of false mental delusion people get thinking they are searching for things...false profacies, false predictions, false enlightenment. I always keep alert so this will not happen.
How do you think your life will change?
--that i don't know either, many times in scripture many of God's people went through suffering, and where persecuted by religious/goverment authority figures and killed. Yet still held the faith of God...in a humble like spirit, not all of them....today you see Joyce Meyer and TBN and various christain networks and pastors who teach we can be confident because the lord is on our side....like a godlike mindset. It's confusing, no doubt about it. I feel if I do find god to obey his commandments....like it states everywhere in the old testement, and some people in the modern day say we can sin because where saved by grace...systematic belief that we can do what we want and Jesus will save us. Doesnt add up how I see it. But....yeaHow would you feel if God doesn't answer your prayers immediately or in the way you would like for him too?
-- well, I have to go with what happens, its makes me vary angry, with something that is urgent and he doesnt do anything, like sits there and plays games and procrastinates...hell yes it makes me mad, i could yell at the sky and say thanks lord, you really helped me alot...everything is suppost to be in your hands and you did nothing, and usally i don't expect a response back either....but I have to know humans can't see everything in the future.Would you keep praying and loving him anyway?
-- yea....i get mad, and even want to curse him at the sky...for doing nothing...but in my heart I do want to find god, the anger will fade...and maybe sometime in the near future maybe not 80years from now, which i won't be suprised if it is....but, ill find him. But I don't want to find him in false enlighment. I do think many times when I pray, im praying to nothing, just a bunch of words going into the wind and fading. Still, as frustrating and anger causing as it can be, god has his ways....thanks for asking
r
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2012, at 18:09:37
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2012, at 18:08:02
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2012, at 19:26:45
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...??, posted by bleauberry on December 13, 2012, at 5:28:36
wow....that really was something revealing to me.... You know, having a sickness, or illness i don't know if its inflicted by the devil, or God trying to get us to come to him and ask for healing.
Today some of all the chaos that's going on in Israel, all that area...its always never stable....and then outlaw God from the constitution from a bunch of fools, they don't see anything past this reality....this world is their only logic. I couple min ago...i've extensivly prayed to him to heal my situation with my body not taking in medication, or coffee, or energy drinks....my body somehow flushes them out and nothing goes into it....i've gotta stop worrying, and crying to god and waiting for bunch of nothing to happen, and use intellect and solve the problem, but still I know that intellect is limited....wisdom is higher, and also the ways of God are above logic. But following God, i've been trying to do that....its so angering, i have to program myself to have pessimistic/reality thinking...like not expecting the best, but not bothered if the worst happens...kinda like ... well, i lost everything....who cares, lets move on. It's much better than having to think of all belief has been destroyed, and God does nothing. It's fun to make fun of some of the nonsense situations where he extensivly says he will take care of us...and look around, all this choas and oppression.
There was a book called the Hiding Place...Corrie Ten Boom....she was in Holland, polant, someplace can't think of at the moment, but was hiding jews from the natzis for 2 years, they got snitched on and they where sent to camps, it was really bad conditions, living in horrid places, and torchure, she got discharged from one of the camps, later she found out it was a clerical error on the documents, that she had got out. The week after she had left, most of the people where executed. She wrote books....but then at the end of her life...she had strokes and could not speak...for 3 years until 1983 when she died...i mean i would think the rest of her life would be blessed for her faith, and then she was impaired totally until she died. It's.....difficult to think about.
I know the mindset im in right now is limited, that's why I don't understand the simple ways of faith, and get extremely mad when the word directly states God will handle it...it turned out to be a horrible situation. But like the people that where led out of Egypt...they saw the red sea part and saved them from slaughter from Pharoah...they went on and started losing their faith, and complaining, and eventually built a golden calf...and worshiped it....and the earth opened up and consumed them into fire. That's the thing that gets me...if I have insulting speech toward's God directly where he can hear it...there's a risk i will go into depths of hell, and be tormented day and night. That scares me. God doenst love all the time, he's for judgement and rightouness, and the love comes on the way....so i have to go with the flow of living sufferings.
Going to God or Lucifer...which I have found out...its loyalty to the one you pick...i've read small parts of the lucifarian doctrine...it teaches mainly about "self" that man can become a God through enlightment... but the indicator that is false is through Isaiah 47:10-15
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10 For thou hast trusted in thy wickedness: thou hast said, None seeth me. Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.
-The fact that man think he's a god is stated right here as an error
11 Therefore shall evil come upon thee; thou shalt not know from whence it riseth: and mischief shall fall upon thee; thou shalt not be able to put it off: and desolation shall come upon thee suddenly, which thou shalt not know.
-some horror statement from god about the results of think man is god
12 Stand now with thine enchantments, and with the multitude of thy sorceries, wherein thou hast laboured from thy youth; if so be thou shalt be able to profit, if so be thou mayest prevail.13 Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels. Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators, stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
--if you get it...all the enlightenments of the world are not prepared for God's plans, no prediction can predict what he will do....maybe through only the Holy Spirit
14 Behold, they shall be as stubble; the fire shall burn them; they shall not deliver themselves from the power of the flame: there shall not be a coal to warm at, nor fire to sit before it.
- and some more horror statements of what will happen to astrologers and all new age stuff.
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so, that kinda reveals about all other enlightments in the world. I guess ill have to just go with the flow, bad stuff happens, so what...more bad stuff happens...who cares, move on....just keep the faith till the end. And believe me that is one hard thing to do.thanks for the post
r
Posted by SLS on December 13, 2012, at 21:25:32
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 13, 2012, at 18:08:02
> Finding God?
> -yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16,You have a wonderful mind - a seeking mind. I don't doubt that you will eventually synthesize a spiritual belief system that resonates well with your core being. I find that I never truly arrive at a final destination. I constantly refine my spiritual belief system as new information becomes available through worldly experiences, new insights, emotional growth, and a philosophical dialectic.
You might want to take a look at Eastern philosophies. They are not so much dogmatic religions as they are teaching tools to help one forge their own unique path to enlightenment. I do not find conflict between the spiritual paradigms of the East and the monotheistic religions of the West.
Perhaps God has chosen a path for you to obtain your healings using a map that you can't see nor understand. You might be angry and frustrated with God right now. However, you might still make your peace with Him as time passes and you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Besides, why should God do it your way when He has the advantage of being omniscient? Maybe He knows better.
I do not know for certain the Mind of God. Does anyone?
If Satan presides over the punishment of the evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys? After all, he was God's best angel before he was sent to do God's bidding in Hell. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "son of the morning". This is not a very dark reference. Does God not know his own Creation? Did He not create Lucifer to perform a special task? How could the Creator not know how Lucifer would behave in Heaven? How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction? How else was Jesus to serve God's purpose? Lucifer and Judas did what God wanted them to. Doesn't God get what God wants?
The preceding paragraph does not represent the Truth. It does not even accurately reflect my own *current* spiritual constitution. It is simply a didactic use of a dialectic.
Keep seeking. Keep learning. Keep thinking. Keep feeling. Keep communicating. It might be that when you do find God, you will realize that He had always been there for you to see as you look in any direction. Then again, maybe some other type of spirituality will work better for you.
Perhaps we can discuss this on the Faith board?
- Scott
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 14, 2012, at 16:48:42
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...?? - Faith board? » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on December 13, 2012, at 21:25:32
> > Finding God?
> > -yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16,
>
> You have a wonderful mind - a seeking mind. I don't doubt that you will eventually synthesize a spiritual belief system that resonates well with your core being. I find that I never truly arrive at a final destination. I constantly refine my spiritual belief system as new information becomes available through worldly experiences, new insights, emotional growth, and a philosophical dialectic.
>
> You might want to take a look at Eastern philosophies. They are not so much dogmatic religions as they are teaching tools to help one forge their own unique path to enlightenment. I do not find conflict between the spiritual paradigms of the East and the monotheistic religions of the West.
>
> Perhaps God has chosen a path for you to obtain your healings using a map that you can't see nor understand. You might be angry and frustrated with God right now. However, you might still make your peace with Him as time passes and you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Besides, why should God do it your way when He has the advantage of being omniscient? Maybe He knows better.
>
> I do not know for certain the Mind of God. Does anyone?
>
> If Satan presides over the punishment of the evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys? After all, he was God's best angel before he was sent to do God's bidding in Hell. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "son of the morning". This is not a very dark reference. Does God not know his own Creation? Did He not create Lucifer to perform a special task? How could the Creator not know how Lucifer would behave in Heaven? How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction? How else was Jesus to serve God's purpose? Lucifer and Judas did what God wanted them to. Doesn't God get what God wants?
>
> The preceding paragraph does not represent the Truth. It does not even accurately reflect my own *current* spiritual constitution. It is simply a didactic use of a dialectic.
>
> Keep seeking. Keep learning. Keep thinking. Keep feeling. Keep communicating. It might be that when you do find God, you will realize that He had always been there for you to see as you look in any direction. Then again, maybe some other type of spirituality will work better for you.
>
> Perhaps we can discuss this on the Faith board?
>
>
> - ScottFriends,
It is written here,[...If {Satan} presides over the punishment of evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys....Did he not create {Lucifer} to perform a special task?...]?
The grammatical structure of Scott's post here could lead some to think that he is equating Satan with Lucifer. But is that true? If Scott did not want to have the potential for others to think that he is equating Satan with Lucifer, then could not Scott use a differenct grammatical structure to do so?
I have been writing here about a Rider on a White Horse and also stateing that He is not Christiandom's Jesus. Maybe that will be clearer going forward here. You see, there are lies about the Jews that come from people who say that the bible says what the lie is as to be true. I have come here not only to save lives but to lead people here to have Eternal Life and forgiveness from God. One way is to know what I am prevented from posting here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr Hsiung. If you were to know that, you could be healed and have a new life of peace and joy and be brought out of the darkness of depression and addiction.
Here is a person that made a video showing that Satan and Lucifer are not the same. This could help those that believe the lies against the Jews that some post here saying that the bible says such. You could go to the admin board and post from your perspective in the threads where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. Outstanding requests that I think if were responded to by Mr Hsiung could stop any antisemitic violence that I think is a potential to be fostered here by the nature that antisemitic statements are allowed to stand here.
Mr Hsiung is allowing the epithet directed toward me ,{The Prince of Death} and Mr Hsiung also not only allows it, but he also uses it and encourages members to {offset} me, whatever that could mean.
My friends, the Prince of Death is Satan, and it is a lie that I am Satan.
And wen I had an enconter with the Rider on the White Horse, he said to me, "I am the root and offspring of David and the bright and morning star."
Lou
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNn-Vc-cCPo
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 14, 2012, at 17:24:42
In reply to Lou's response-psaytun » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 14, 2012, at 16:48:42
> > > Finding God?
> > > -yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16,
> >
> > You have a wonderful mind - a seeking mind. I don't doubt that you will eventually synthesize a spiritual belief system that resonates well with your core being. I find that I never truly arrive at a final destination. I constantly refine my spiritual belief system as new information becomes available through worldly experiences, new insights, emotional growth, and a philosophical dialectic.
> >
> > You might want to take a look at Eastern philosophies. They are not so much dogmatic religions as they are teaching tools to help one forge their own unique path to enlightenment. I do not find conflict between the spiritual paradigms of the East and the monotheistic religions of the West.
> >
> > Perhaps God has chosen a path for you to obtain your healings using a map that you can't see nor understand. You might be angry and frustrated with God right now. However, you might still make your peace with Him as time passes and you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Besides, why should God do it your way when He has the advantage of being omniscient? Maybe He knows better.
> >
> > I do not know for certain the Mind of God. Does anyone?
> >
> > If Satan presides over the punishment of the evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys? After all, he was God's best angel before he was sent to do God's bidding in Hell. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "son of the morning". This is not a very dark reference. Does God not know his own Creation? Did He not create Lucifer to perform a special task? How could the Creator not know how Lucifer would behave in Heaven? How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction? How else was Jesus to serve God's purpose? Lucifer and Judas did what God wanted them to. Doesn't God get what God wants?
> >
> > The preceding paragraph does not represent the Truth. It does not even accurately reflect my own *current* spiritual constitution. It is simply a didactic use of a dialectic.
> >
> > Keep seeking. Keep learning. Keep thinking. Keep feeling. Keep communicating. It might be that when you do find God, you will realize that He had always been there for you to see as you look in any direction. Then again, maybe some other type of spirituality will work better for you.
> >
> > Perhaps we can discuss this on the Faith board?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Friends,
> It is written here,[...If {Satan} presides over the punishment of evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys....Did he not create {Lucifer} to perform a special task?...]?
> The grammatical structure of Scott's post here could lead some to think that he is equating Satan with Lucifer. But is that true? If Scott did not want to have the potential for others to think that he is equating Satan with Lucifer, then could not Scott use a differenct grammatical structure to do so?
> I have been writing here about a Rider on a White Horse and also stateing that He is not Christiandom's Jesus. Maybe that will be clearer going forward here. You see, there are lies about the Jews that come from people who say that the bible says what the lie is as to be true. I have come here not only to save lives but to lead people here to have Eternal Life and forgiveness from God. One way is to know what I am prevented from posting here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr Hsiung. If you were to know that, you could be healed and have a new life of peace and joy and be brought out of the darkness of depression and addiction.
> Here is a person that made a video showing that Satan and Lucifer are not the same. This could help those that believe the lies against the Jews that some post here saying that the bible says such. You could go to the admin board and post from your perspective in the threads where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. Outstanding requests that I think if were responded to by Mr Hsiung could stop any antisemitic violence that I think is a potential to be fostered here by the nature that antisemitic statements are allowed to stand here.
> Mr Hsiung is allowing the epithet directed toward me ,{The Prince of Death} and Mr Hsiung also not only allows it, but he also uses it and encourages members to {offset} me, whatever that could mean.
> My friends, the Prince of Death is Satan, and it is a lie that I am Satan.
> And wen I had an enconter with the Rider on the White Horse, he said to me, "I am the root and offspring of David and the bright and morning star."
> Lou
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNn-Vc-cCPoFriends,
Here is an article with more concerning Lucifer. Now the importance here is that I am prevented from posting what has been revealed to me that could save your life and lead you to Eternal Life by the prohibitions made to me here by Mr Hsiung. And yet today, I can not post here what could release you from the bondage of ignorance while lies are being allowed to be posted here about the Jews and the lie that I am the Prince of Death.
http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2215
Posted by schleprock on December 14, 2012, at 18:35:54
In reply to Lou's response-psaytun-2, posted by Lou Pilder on December 14, 2012, at 17:24:42
> > > > Finding God?
> > > > -yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16,
> > >
> > > You have a wonderful mind - a seeking mind. I don't doubt that you will eventually synthesize a spiritual belief system that resonates well with your core being. I find that I never truly arrive at a final destination. I constantly refine my spiritual belief system as new information becomes available through worldly experiences, new insights, emotional growth, and a philosophical dialectic.
> > >
> > > You might want to take a look at Eastern philosophies. They are not so much dogmatic religions as they are teaching tools to help one forge their own unique path to enlightenment. I do not find conflict between the spiritual paradigms of the East and the monotheistic religions of the West.
> > >
> > > Perhaps God has chosen a path for you to obtain your healings using a map that you can't see nor understand. You might be angry and frustrated with God right now. However, you might still make your peace with Him as time passes and you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Besides, why should God do it your way when He has the advantage of being omniscient? Maybe He knows better.
> > >
> > > I do not know for certain the Mind of God. Does anyone?
> > >
> > > If Satan presides over the punishment of the evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys? After all, he was God's best angel before he was sent to do God's bidding in Hell. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "son of the morning". This is not a very dark reference. Does God not know his own Creation? Did He not create Lucifer to perform a special task? How could the Creator not know how Lucifer would behave in Heaven? How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction? How else was Jesus to serve God's purpose? Lucifer and Judas did what God wanted them to. Doesn't God get what God wants?
> > >
> > > The preceding paragraph does not represent the Truth. It does not even accurately reflect my own *current* spiritual constitution. It is simply a didactic use of a dialectic.
> > >
> > > Keep seeking. Keep learning. Keep thinking. Keep feeling. Keep communicating. It might be that when you do find God, you will realize that He had always been there for you to see as you look in any direction. Then again, maybe some other type of spirituality will work better for you.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we can discuss this on the Faith board?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Friends,
> > It is written here,[...If {Satan} presides over the punishment of evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys....Did he not create {Lucifer} to perform a special task?...]?
> > The grammatical structure of Scott's post here could lead some to think that he is equating Satan with Lucifer. But is that true? If Scott did not want to have the potential for others to think that he is equating Satan with Lucifer, then could not Scott use a differenct grammatical structure to do so?
> > I have been writing here about a Rider on a White Horse and also stateing that He is not Christiandom's Jesus. Maybe that will be clearer going forward here. You see, there are lies about the Jews that come from people who say that the bible says what the lie is as to be true. I have come here not only to save lives but to lead people here to have Eternal Life and forgiveness from God. One way is to know what I am prevented from posting here by the prohibitions made to me by Mr Hsiung. If you were to know that, you could be healed and have a new life of peace and joy and be brought out of the darkness of depression and addiction.
> > Here is a person that made a video showing that Satan and Lucifer are not the same. This could help those that believe the lies against the Jews that some post here saying that the bible says such. You could go to the admin board and post from your perspective in the threads where there are outstanding requests from me to Mr Hsiung. Outstanding requests that I think if were responded to by Mr Hsiung could stop any antisemitic violence that I think is a potential to be fostered here by the nature that antisemitic statements are allowed to stand here.
> > Mr Hsiung is allowing the epithet directed toward me ,{The Prince of Death} and Mr Hsiung also not only allows it, but he also uses it and encourages members to {offset} me, whatever that could mean.
> > My friends, the Prince of Death is Satan, and it is a lie that I am Satan.
> > And wen I had an enconter with the Rider on the White Horse, he said to me, "I am the root and offspring of David and the bright and morning star."
> > Lou
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNn-Vc-cCPo
>
> Friends,
> Here is an article with more concerning Lucifer. Now the importance here is that I am prevented from posting what has been revealed to me that could save your life and lead you to Eternal Life by the prohibitions made to me here by Mr Hsiung. And yet today, I can not post here what could release you from the bondage of ignorance while lies are being allowed to be posted here about the Jews and the lie that I am the Prince of Death.
> http://www.apologeticspress.org/articles/2215What about Pazuzu? Is he Satan? I always wondered.
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 14, 2012, at 23:27:05
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...?? - Faith board? » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on December 13, 2012, at 21:25:32
back....sorry i didnt respond yesterday night, i was having mental block and couldnt think clear. Anyways, yes belief system...espcially spirit belief syetem....its best to always arrive at a destination, because if you go too many places...its gonna be hard to see where you established roots. The thing is....everyone comes up with new ideas...espcially scientology...which is domenant in hollywood...l. ron hubbard was a science fiction author, he put together a complex system of reactive mind stuff....and much more i don't know in depth...but it was man made belief, it doesnt go back to ancient roots, where God of Israel parted the red sea, Jesus Christ...but there's alot of religion that are vary ancient, especially Egypt....they have something called the Book of the Dead... its nasty stuff if you really get into it and not know how to navigate, dead spirits that cause horror stories if they are awakened. Like opening a hive full of hornets...crazy and painful... That's one thing I will never get involved in, even though its vary intresting to read about.
couple hours ago I tried to pray hard to God...or like the bible says in the old testement...the God of Israel...and his son..JesusC...i can't get mad about something that is higher than my limited belief....like a kid saying to their parents on the phone to come get them right now but it will take them a while since they are still in the process of getting there....or asking someone's dad to undo the burn you got from touching the burners on the stove....no matter how hard that person cries, still they have to deal with the burn, still in rare cases miracles do occur....but so many people think today that God will do a miracle for them all the time, expecting it to be a part of their life, if that was the case those people would be ungrateful and complain and want more and more....spoiled. Like I saw a video of a woman litterly being healed from somekinda of impairment in her leg, it was on tv...it was not fake, not a hollyrollercoaster show... she got up and cried in joy to God....the amount of happiness on her face was lots. Some people thinking God is serving them, walk around get all blessings without having to deal with negative consequnces, if they don't get it....stomp up and down and get resentful....that's not following God, that's greedy thinking people should serve them.God does know better, even after all the disappointments i've had...something small will pop up....like a blessing, still there's dead periods where nothing comes.
Lucifer....i've done research on him....he is the morning star...son of venus...he's a roman God to I think...but he is not the same as Satan but still he did rebel lives with danmation, he does do good...but also lies and causes bad events when he wants...the lucifarian doctrine teaches of self empowerment....it was refers to "self" self pleasure seeking...self individuality....self pride, self love....its on google....his teachings are about self preservation and improvement...but according to the old testement, and parts of the new...it warns of people of having high minds in the end times...saying their christ, decieving people. But that's the whole thing with lucifer....teaches man to become a god....but let me move on....lucifer is not truely an angel of light....look at these pictures...it will give a glympse of his personality...its comic pictures...but they use his personality and create an image of him in current times...
http://www.google.com/search?q=lucifer+comics&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Y_vLUNjNCO322AWGgoGQBg&ved=0CEwQsAQ&biw=1366&bih=632#hl=en&tbo=d&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=lucifer+comics&oq=lucifer+comics&gs_l=img.3..0j0i24l5.11691.12192.0.12438.4.4.0.0.0.0.105.371.2j2.4.0...0.0...1c.1.qBdRM7b05lc&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.&fp=b8ebd976dfda7ffa&bpcl=39967673&biw=1366&bih=632He was decieved himself that he was going to become God...and had a terrible event of being thrown to the pits....of darkness. He is intelligent with giving knowedge to man, but if you look at it its limited, it doesnt go all the way to having the mind of God, or the love of grace and water of life from the spirit. I don't think he's directly the "devil" but something just tells me he's linked to it....i've read that satan is one of his ambassators...demons work with him, but i don't have any evidence to prove it...i've just browsed and read on the web random things about that. But the dark side... It's cold...it has no mercy....all that book of the dead stuff....those dark beings don't care about life, they want it.., but pull people down to them, in darkness like they are. Nasty stuff.....but in my opinion that all the angels in heaven where given the power of choice...if they didnt then this rebellion would of never happened...so he choose to rebel and make himself higher...and it failed horribly. He teaches man to do what he wanted...to become a God. but think about it....man can't create the heavans and the earth nor the universe, a sourcer i don't think could wave his wand and create another moon...still there's alot things about magic and darkness that are deep in researching i should read about it. But no one created the universe expect some supreme being...
So....I am always going to be seeking. I hope to help others avoid false beliefs...but still i don't want to flatter anyone....this is just my view, not a documented fact, or religion.
Thanks scott...
r
Posted by SLS on December 14, 2012, at 23:38:05
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...?? - Faith board? » SLS, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 14, 2012, at 23:27:05
I am definitely out of my league here. You know so much more than I do about scripture. I would like to read more, but not here on the Medication forum.
- Scott
Posted by SLS on December 14, 2012, at 23:41:13
In reply to Lou's response-psaytun » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 14, 2012, at 16:48:42
I am definitely out of my league here. You know so much more than I do about scripture. I would like to read more, but not here on the Medication forum.
- Scott
Posted by rjlockhart37 on December 14, 2012, at 23:47:49
In reply to Re: Lou's response-psaytun-2 » Lou Pilder, posted by schleprock on December 14, 2012, at 18:35:54
Pazuzu whatever his name is....he's not satan...its a demon that is controls the winds....it was that statue in the exorcist in the begging scene which lots of people thought he/it was the devil...no, its a demon, but i guess serves/does work for the devil....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pazuzu
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 15, 2012, at 5:52:34
In reply to Re: spiritual healing...?? - Faith board? » rjlockhart37, posted by SLS on December 13, 2012, at 21:25:32
> > Finding God?
> > -yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16,
>
> You have a wonderful mind - a seeking mind. I don't doubt that you will eventually synthesize a spiritual belief system that resonates well with your core being. I find that I never truly arrive at a final destination. I constantly refine my spiritual belief system as new information becomes available through worldly experiences, new insights, emotional growth, and a philosophical dialectic.
>
> You might want to take a look at Eastern philosophies. They are not so much dogmatic religions as they are teaching tools to help one forge their own unique path to enlightenment. I do not find conflict between the spiritual paradigms of the East and the monotheistic religions of the West.
>
> Perhaps God has chosen a path for you to obtain your healings using a map that you can't see nor understand. You might be angry and frustrated with God right now. However, you might still make your peace with Him as time passes and you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Besides, why should God do it your way when He has the advantage of being omniscient? Maybe He knows better.
>
> I do not know for certain the Mind of God. Does anyone?
>
> If Satan presides over the punishment of the evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys? After all, he was God's best angel before he was sent to do God's bidding in Hell. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "son of the morning". This is not a very dark reference. Does God not know his own Creation? Did He not create Lucifer to perform a special task? How could the Creator not know how Lucifer would behave in Heaven? How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction? How else was Jesus to serve God's purpose? Lucifer and Judas did what God wanted them to. Doesn't God get what God wants?
>
> The preceding paragraph does not represent the Truth. It does not even accurately reflect my own *current* spiritual constitution. It is simply a didactic use of a dialectic.
>
> Keep seeking. Keep learning. Keep thinking. Keep feeling. Keep communicating. It might be that when you do find God, you will realize that He had always been there for you to see as you look in any direction. Then again, maybe some other type of spirituality will work better for you.
>
> Perhaps we can discuss this on the Faith board?
>
>
> - ScottScott,
You wrote,[...I do not know for certain the mind of God. Does anyone?...How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction...].
I am unsure as to what you want others to think concerning what you have posted here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
A. Which God are you referring to?
B. What are you wanting to show by posting about the events that [...would lead to the crucifiction...]?
C. Do you think that what you posted here could arouse antisemitic feelings?
D. If not, why not?
E. Are you aware that there are prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from responding in the manner that I want to you here, from a Jewish perspective, and that Mr Hsiung is allowing members here to post what has been used to persecute the Jews for 2 thousand years that your post has the potential to foster hatred toward the Jews?
Here is a link to a post that involves this. Notice near the end of the member's post that there is the statement,[...made to suffer a horrible death by {them}...].Notice that the post is allowed to stand which could lead others to think that what the post purports is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. Since the statement in question could arouse antisemitic feelings in some, will that be good for this community as a whole to you?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1004107.html
Posted by hyperfocus on December 15, 2012, at 7:18:18
In reply to spiritual healing...??, posted by rjlockhart37 on December 11, 2012, at 16:54:30
Can't really say much except to echo what has been said already:
What do you believe salvation and healing will be like for you?
Until quite recently and in the midst of affliction and loneliness, I used to think that salvation and healing would grant me a life like portrayed on Jersey Shore. I doubt those kids know anything about social phobia or depression or bipolar or psychosis...and they certainly seem quite happy. So is that the life you want?We all pray every day to have our infirmities lifted but there are many many times of the day when I realize that I might actually be a lot better off than if I had my health and be able to function and act the way we see other people do. Maybe God, if He or She exists, is trying to speak to you rj and answer your prayers, but you might not be listening as yet.
Christians say that when Jesus was on earth he didn't pay any visits to the rich or powerful or those with satisfaction in their life. He didn't even seem interested too much in those who were considered good or upstanding or even wise. He went about seeking the poor, sick, downcast, known sinners and people of ill-repute. He had a peculiar viewpoint: that the lowest people in society -- the suffering and unhappy and afflicted and rejected and foolish -- were the closest to God.
It is very hard for people like us to live in this world. It's extremely difficult not to desire after the things of this world. Our minds are wired for pleasure, satisfaction, achievement, comfort, physical and emotional intimacy, companionship, loving and being loved by others. It is not that there is anything wrong with these things, but these things are not necessarily important to God.
It's said in the bible is that pride is pretty much the starting point of losing your way. When you have everything you want in this world you start to think that nothing else matters, that you can do whatever you want in life and it doesn't matter. People who are poor and sick lack many, many things but one thing they have in abundance is humility. The thing that most religions teach is that blessings come from God. He can make a poor man rich or a sick man well with just a thought. Anybody who believes he is rich or powerful or satisfied through his own efforts isn't very smart. A lot of bad things we see people do might stem from the conviction that power in this world is the sole arbiter of what can and can't be done.
Satan or Lucifer or whoever is very very powerful and can afflict us and deprive us of many things, but his power extends only to things in this world. If you're not part of this world then there really isn't much he or she can do to you. Job had everything taken from him, even the ability to rest comfortably on his bed, but his heart belonged to God and that is what mattered. The Bible talks a lot about healing and redemption, but it also talks a lot about enduring trials and hardship suffering to ultimately get to a better place. Maybe you are being spiritually healed rj -- you could be getting healed and not even know it. One of the duties of any father is to discipline his kids - make them endure hardship and push them to go far beyond what they believe their limits are. Maybe Somebody does care a great deal about you? You know like kids with the billionaire parents whose fathers make them wash cars and do their own chores and never give them anything, so that they work as hard as they can and find their own way in life. Maybe something similar is happening to you.
Posted by Phillipa on December 15, 2012, at 9:25:10
In reply to Re: spiritual healing?? » rjlockhart37, posted by hyperfocus on December 15, 2012, at 7:18:18
Jesus appeared in my room at night two nights in a row many many years ago before ill but my youngest was in the hospital and without speaking to me communicated the message to me "be strong". Ignored the first night as not religious returned to hospital and 18month old Daughter still wouldn't eat and was getting sicker and sicker. The next night when it happened again I returned the next morning to hospital looked at her and said if she doesn't want to live nothing I can do about it. That day she got well. Explain this. If I were religious with religious upbringing I might have understood. But never had religion in my life as a child. Phillipa
Posted by schleprock on December 16, 2012, at 1:24:37
In reply to Lou's request-phozdr » SLS, posted by Lou Pilder on December 15, 2012, at 5:52:34
> > > Finding God?
> > > -yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16,
> >
> > You have a wonderful mind - a seeking mind. I don't doubt that you will eventually synthesize a spiritual belief system that resonates well with your core being. I find that I never truly arrive at a final destination. I constantly refine my spiritual belief system as new information becomes available through worldly experiences, new insights, emotional growth, and a philosophical dialectic.
> >
> > You might want to take a look at Eastern philosophies. They are not so much dogmatic religions as they are teaching tools to help one forge their own unique path to enlightenment. I do not find conflict between the spiritual paradigms of the East and the monotheistic religions of the West.
> >
> > Perhaps God has chosen a path for you to obtain your healings using a map that you can't see nor understand. You might be angry and frustrated with God right now. However, you might still make your peace with Him as time passes and you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Besides, why should God do it your way when He has the advantage of being omniscient? Maybe He knows better.
> >
> > I do not know for certain the Mind of God. Does anyone?
> >
> > If Satan presides over the punishment of the evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys? After all, he was God's best angel before he was sent to do God's bidding in Hell. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "son of the morning". This is not a very dark reference. Does God not know his own Creation? Did He not create Lucifer to perform a special task? How could the Creator not know how Lucifer would behave in Heaven? How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction? How else was Jesus to serve God's purpose? Lucifer and Judas did what God wanted them to. Doesn't God get what God wants?
> >
> > The preceding paragraph does not represent the Truth. It does not even accurately reflect my own *current* spiritual constitution. It is simply a didactic use of a dialectic.
> >
> > Keep seeking. Keep learning. Keep thinking. Keep feeling. Keep communicating. It might be that when you do find God, you will realize that He had always been there for you to see as you look in any direction. Then again, maybe some other type of spirituality will work better for you.
> >
> > Perhaps we can discuss this on the Faith board?
> >
> >
> > - Scott
>
> Scott,
> You wrote,[...I do not know for certain the mind of God. Does anyone?...How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction...].
> I am unsure as to what you want others to think concerning what you have posted here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> A. Which God are you referring to?
> B. What are you wanting to show by posting about the events that [...would lead to the crucifiction...]?
> C. Do you think that what you posted here could arouse antisemitic feelings?
> D. If not, why not?
> E. Are you aware that there are prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from responding in the manner that I want to you here, from a Jewish perspective, and that Mr Hsiung is allowing members here to post what has been used to persecute the Jews for 2 thousand years that your post has the potential to foster hatred toward the Jews?
> Here is a link to a post that involves this. Notice near the end of the member's post that there is the statement,[...made to suffer a horrible death by {them}...].Notice that the post is allowed to stand which could lead others to think that what the post purports is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. Since the statement in question could arouse antisemitic feelings in some, will that be good for this community as a whole to you?
> Lou
> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1004107.htmlLou, Scott's comment would seem to be consistent with Mel Gibson's views on early Christian history. Are you calling Mel Gibson a liar or, by extension, an "anti-Semite"?
Posted by Lou Pilder on December 16, 2012, at 10:50:22
In reply to Re: Lou's request-phozdr » Lou Pilder, posted by schleprock on December 16, 2012, at 1:24:37
> > > > Finding God?
> > > > -yes, i've tried to find God since I was 16,
> > >
> > > You have a wonderful mind - a seeking mind. I don't doubt that you will eventually synthesize a spiritual belief system that resonates well with your core being. I find that I never truly arrive at a final destination. I constantly refine my spiritual belief system as new information becomes available through worldly experiences, new insights, emotional growth, and a philosophical dialectic.
> > >
> > > You might want to take a look at Eastern philosophies. They are not so much dogmatic religions as they are teaching tools to help one forge their own unique path to enlightenment. I do not find conflict between the spiritual paradigms of the East and the monotheistic religions of the West.
> > >
> > > Perhaps God has chosen a path for you to obtain your healings using a map that you can't see nor understand. You might be angry and frustrated with God right now. However, you might still make your peace with Him as time passes and you learn more about yourself and the world around you. Besides, why should God do it your way when He has the advantage of being omniscient? Maybe He knows better.
> > >
> > > I do not know for certain the Mind of God. Does anyone?
> > >
> > > If Satan presides over the punishment of the evil among us, doesn't that make him one of the good-guys? After all, he was God's best angel before he was sent to do God's bidding in Hell. The name "Lucifer" means "morning star" or "son of the morning". This is not a very dark reference. Does God not know his own Creation? Did He not create Lucifer to perform a special task? How could the Creator not know how Lucifer would behave in Heaven? How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction? How else was Jesus to serve God's purpose? Lucifer and Judas did what God wanted them to. Doesn't God get what God wants?
> > >
> > > The preceding paragraph does not represent the Truth. It does not even accurately reflect my own *current* spiritual constitution. It is simply a didactic use of a dialectic.
> > >
> > > Keep seeking. Keep learning. Keep thinking. Keep feeling. Keep communicating. It might be that when you do find God, you will realize that He had always been there for you to see as you look in any direction. Then again, maybe some other type of spirituality will work better for you.
> > >
> > > Perhaps we can discuss this on the Faith board?
> > >
> > >
> > > - Scott
> >
> > Scott,
> > You wrote,[...I do not know for certain the mind of God. Does anyone?...How could God not know that Judas would betray Jesus and trigger the events that would lead to the crucifiction...].
> > I am unsure as to what you want others to think concerning what you have posted here. If you could post answers to the following, then I could have the opportunity to respond accordingly.
> > A. Which God are you referring to?
> > B. What are you wanting to show by posting about the events that [...would lead to the crucifiction...]?
> > C. Do you think that what you posted here could arouse antisemitic feelings?
> > D. If not, why not?
> > E. Are you aware that there are prohibitions to me here by Mr Hsiung that prevent me from responding in the manner that I want to you here, from a Jewish perspective, and that Mr Hsiung is allowing members here to post what has been used to persecute the Jews for 2 thousand years that your post has the potential to foster hatred toward the Jews?
> > Here is a link to a post that involves this. Notice near the end of the member's post that there is the statement,[...made to suffer a horrible death by {them}...].Notice that the post is allowed to stand which could lead others to think that what the post purports is supportive and will be good for this community as a whole. Since the statement in question could arouse antisemitic feelings in some, will that be good for this community as a whole to you?
> > Lou
> > http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1004107.html
>
> Lou, Scott's comment would seem to be consistent with Mel Gibson's views on early Christian history. Are you calling Mel Gibson a liar or, by extension, an "anti-Semite"?schleprock,
You wrote,[...Scott's comment would seem consistant with...early Christian history...].
Any study of early Christian history showing antisemitism could include the false charge against the Jews called deicide. A study of that naure could also bring up what is known as the antisemitic (and also anti others) doctrine known as {outside of the church there is no salvation}.
Mr Hsiung is allowing to stand the antisemitic statement:
[...The ONLY reason given in God's word that has or ever will cause someone to miss out on God's forgiveness and Eternal Life...is to reject the gift of His Son Jesus as Lord and Savior...].
Let us look at the points in the statement that could arouse antisemitic feelings as well as being a lie because the poster states that it is in God's word where this lie against the Jews (and others) is found.
And what the statement purports is that the 1 1/2 million Jewish children that were murdered by commiting atrocities to those children, and has been determined to be a crime against humanity, are without Eternal Life and forgiveness from God because they were Jews. And to go on with what is allowed to stand here by Mr Hsiung and his deputy, is that the murderers do have Eternal Life and forgiveness if they accept Jesus as Lord and Savior. My friends, the term {Lord and Savior} is not found in the bible as the poster claims. And the road to salvationand forgivenes is stated oin the bible differently from what is allowed to be posted here as a truth of the bible, for the poster states that [...The ONLY reason given in God's word ...causing someone to miss out...is to reject...Jesus...].
My friends, the bible says in the book called Isaiah in the 55th chapter verse 7:
'Let the wiked forsake his way, and the unrightious man his thoughts, and let him return to the Lord, and He will have have mercy upon him, and to our God for He will abundantly pardon.
The bible says that {repentance} leads to forgivness. Do you think that (redacted by respondent) in that bunker when he shot himself in the head is has Eternal Life and forgivernerss from God if he said before he pulled the trigger that he accepted Jesus as Lord and Savior? The bibke says no such thing, for Jesus' first words to the people upon coming into Jerusalem was "Repent, for the Kingsom of Heaven is at hand." ANd further in the Cghrisatiandom bible it says that unless you repent you shall perish. Does that sound like what the poeter claims the bible says?
Yet today, the lie against the Jews and all the rest of humanity that is missing out according to the statement is allowed to stand here. And One could think that it is civil and supportive and that it will be good for this community as a whole.
May the God of Abraham, Issac and Jacob have mercy upon all of you that are allowing this propagation of hatred toward the Jews here, for you know not what you do.
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20080809/msgs/941769.html
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20100321/msgs/949004.html
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