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Posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 19:49:23
In reply to re: Hey, Wayne! re: how are We? » Capri, posted by lil' jimi on July 29, 2003, at 18:53:28
> hi Capri,
>
> you posted ;
> > I started 7.5 mg last Friday. Since the increase I have the tiredness and dizziness but the headache is gone. I see my doc Friday. Wait til he finds out I'm not taking 10 mg like he suggested. We'll see.
> >
> > Do you think I still need to give the Lex some time? Been taking it almost 6 weeks this Friday.
> > Still have some anxiety, etc. I can't say I'm cured.
> >
> > Thanks for responding. You're a great help to this board!
> >
> > Feel good,
> > Capri
>
> ... aaahh, i ain't nothing but a cheerleading menance here ... but it's kind of you, and it lifts the spirits ... thanks ...
>
> .. ... .. and you want my opinion? ... well, you're getting what you pay for ... ... HA!
>
> i'd gently suggest that perhaps you might try working yourself up to 10mg and see how you feel after a few ... weeks? ... ... maybe?
>
> hey, but i'm not one of our anxiety suffers, so i think we should get Wayne's expertise ... ...
> (Wayne's my expert on panic/anxiety and Lexapro) ...
>
> i am glad we can support each other here, and i have worried about lex SEs with your anxiety ... ... i'm proud of you for making this far ... . i know it can't have been easy ... 6 weeks! ... remember counting the days of your first week?
>
> .. .. i'll give Wayne a shout and ask him for his recommendation(s) ... .. (Please, Wayne?)
>
> ... did you know it's my tribute to Wayne? evertime i close with ...
>
> TAKE CARE !!!!
> ~ jim
> ... i got 'take care!' from him ... ~ jHi, move up to 10mg I guess you have nothing to lose. You can always move back. But you just started 7.5mg and I stand by the link below. Start low and go slow!!!! When one withdrawals the same thing very slow!!!! GOOD LUCK CAPRI!!!
TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>HI JIM!!!!
http://panicdisorder.about.com/features/blmed1.htm
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 20:00:18
In reply to re: Hey, Wayne! re: how are We?, posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 19:49:23
Hi, found these to be interesting!!!!!
WAYNE
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/mercurynews/6325166.htmhttp://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/66/79883.htm?cobrand=aol
http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content/article/60/67172.htm
Posted by lil' jimi on July 29, 2003, at 20:09:22
In reply to re: Hey, Wayne! re: how are We?, posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 19:49:23
Posted by sandiegogal on July 29, 2003, at 20:28:22
In reply to re: how are We? Thanks Wayne !! (nm) » BLKVETTES, posted by lil' jimi on July 29, 2003, at 20:09:22
I am on day 8 and i am now taking 5mg of lexapro. I feel spacey and tired and also i have very little appetite. I have been reading all your postings and the links to websites with info on depression and anxiety. I just wanted to say thanks for all of your input. It has helped me to convince myself to stay with this for atleast a few weeks to see if things change. I still have the depression but the anxiety is definately lowered. I am a little leary of going to 10mg because of the tiredness though. Does anyone know if 5 can be a therapeutic dose?
Posted by vandy on July 29, 2003, at 21:44:00
In reply to ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION INFO, posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 20:00:18
Hey, that first link reminded me of that old question: "How can you tell a boy chromosome from a girl chromosome?"
answer: "Easy, look in its genes!"
Posted by Capri on July 29, 2003, at 22:06:21
In reply to re: how are We? Thanks Wayne !! (nm) » BLKVETTES, posted by lil' jimi on July 29, 2003, at 20:09:22
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 22:42:09
In reply to 8 days and counting, posted by sandiegogal on July 29, 2003, at 20:28:22
> I am on day 8 and i am now taking 5mg of lexapro. I feel spacey and tired and also i have very little appetite. I have been reading all your postings and the links to websites with info on depression and anxiety. I just wanted to say thanks for all of your input. It has helped me to convince myself to stay with this for atleast a few weeks to see if things change. I still have the depression but the anxiety is definately lowered. I am a little leary of going to 10mg because of the tiredness though. Does anyone know if 5 can be a therapeutic dose?
Hi there, you can stay there until your side effects are to your liking and move up another 2.5mg and so forth. Yes, 5mg has helped others. I take 7.5mg and that seems to be my magic dose. Some take as much as 30mg. We are all so different. TAKE CARE!!!
WAYNE
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 22:52:17
In reply to Re: ANXIETY AND DEPRESSION INFO, posted by vandy on July 29, 2003, at 21:44:00
> Hey, that first link reminded me of that old question: "How can you tell a boy chromosome from a girl chromosome?"
>
> answer: "Easy, look in its genes!"My My the lexapro must have been very very good to you. But Im sure that all jokes should be redirected the psycho babble comedy link if there is one. Im sure JIM would know!!! HA!! TAKE CARE!!!
WAYNE
Posted by BekkaH on July 30, 2003, at 0:00:04
In reply to Re: dirurnal variation - jrbecker » BekkaH, posted by jrbecker on July 29, 2003, at 16:48:49
Thank you for the information on B12. Have you ever taken Melatonin at night? Did it help to correct your phase shift? I've read that the "natural" melatonin tablets should be avoided because they are made from ground up pineal glands of sheep and cows, and they might be infected with prion or viral diseases. I've also read that the amount of melatonin that is helpful in inducing sleep is much less than what is commercially available. I think 0.3 mg is the maximum recommended dosage. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about melatonin.
Posted by kayenna on July 30, 2003, at 2:15:04
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness, posted by arrianna on July 27, 2003, at 12:27:26
This is to Arriana- I hate it that I may have frightened you...what I am coming to understand is that people have varying chemical responses and sensitivities. You may not have a difficult reaction on withdrawal (sending good thoughts on that). I am hyper-sensitive to every kind of drug and now know that for me, I must do everything I can to stay away from the SSRI's. Zoloft gave me the same side effects when on it, but there was no withdrawal effect like Lex. As for you, stay the course that makes sense and allows you to live most fully. We can be grateful that this type of site exists...and I agree. It ticks me off royally that no doctor advised me that such withdrawal symptoms can occur. Be well! K
Posted by Capri on July 30, 2003, at 9:32:02
In reply to Re: 8 days and counting, posted by BLKVETTES on July 29, 2003, at 22:42:09
Hi Wayne,
Wondering if you feel like your brain is not as sharp or your memory on Lex. I had that problem 4 years ago when I took Paxil. I feel like the brain is fried. Any thoughts?
Thanks!
Capri
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 30, 2003, at 10:19:00
In reply to Wayne..Question, posted by Capri on July 30, 2003, at 9:32:02
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Wondering if you feel like your brain is not as sharp or your memory on Lex. I had that problem 4 years ago when I took Paxil. I feel like the brain is fried. Any thoughts?
>
> Thanks!
> CapriHi Capri, some people report this type thing on many different meds. I to thought I was having problem with my memory and felt things in my head did not feel right for quite awhile. In fact I watch a lot of old shows on tv. I would sit there and see if I knew the real names of people on tv shows. During the day I felt like a zombie and was very tired. But at night I had really bad insomnia. I guess you might say I had racing thoughts that I could not shake. Did not matter when I took the med, what I did or did not eat or drink. I have been on lex almost 6 months I guess. I dont know but if you have a true chemical imbalance I guess it takes awhile for your brain to function properly again. Thats the best way I can describe it. I found water and taking a vitamin helped I guess. I eat better foods also. At about 5 weeks my depression started going away. About 6 or 7 weeks the anxiety just so slowly started easing up. I would say it has taken a good 4months for my anxiety to leave pretty much completely. My mind is crystal clear now and it feels like I dont even take a med daily. My insomnia is gone for the first time in my life. Sometimes I think this is a miracle because I had panic attacks, anxiety and was so depressed I wanted to die. It took 2 failed med tries before I hit the jackpot with lexapro. Cant say it will work for you as you already know going through paxil first. I changed the dose of my med so many times I could not count. When I was no longer tired I moved it up just a tad. I have been up as high as 10mg but always came back to abot 7.5mg. Everything is great now. But Im also very sensitive to meds. I could not take 1mg of xanax it would knock me out. The most I could take at one time was about a third of 1mg. I no longer take xanax during the day just a tiny bit before sleep. I think this is more for peace of mind than anything. I just hope it does work for you because living in hell is no fun. Sorry this was so long since you asked just one question!!! GOOD LUCK CAPRI!!!!!!
Posted by Just Wondering on July 30, 2003, at 11:22:48
In reply to Anyone switched to Lexapro? « ggrrl, posted by Dr. Bob on June 11, 2002, at 7:52:48
Doc wants to put me on Lex-only considering if someone can tell me if it helps the emotional state of mind and the sex life. Feel no emotion but anger and irritability on Celexa as well as horrible sexual side effects (lack of). Please advise if anyone knows if the Lex might help or will everything stay the same-read that the Lex is a "better" Celexa any comments on this???
Posted by jrbecker on July 30, 2003, at 11:26:52
In reply to melatonin questions - jrbecker, posted by BekkaH on July 30, 2003, at 0:00:04
> Thank you for the information on B12. Have you ever taken Melatonin at night? Did it help to correct your phase shift? I've read that the "natural" melatonin tablets should be avoided because they are made from ground up pineal glands of sheep and cows, and they might be infected with prion or viral diseases. I've also read that the amount of melatonin that is helpful in inducing sleep is much less than what is commercially available. I think 0.3 mg is the maximum recommended dosage. I'm interested to hear what you have to say about melatonin.
Melatonin actually slightly disrupts my sleep. I don't know if this is because it wears off too early in the night or something else is going on. I do find that I can wake up more naturally in the morning the nights that I have taken it, but that might mean I will get tired later in the day from not having a good night's rest. I sometimes take it along with other Rx sleep agents, but I am not certain what added effect it has. This is a subjective experience though - which is usually not representative of the norm. So don't let my experience dissuade you from trying it for yourself. Many individuals report that it works for them. Perhaps I just need to experiment with other brands and dosages.
You're right though, it is only recommended that you take about .25 mg per night -- much less than what tablets sold are formulated in.
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 30, 2003, at 11:38:32
In reply to Loss of emotion, posted by Just Wondering on July 30, 2003, at 11:22:48
> Doc wants to put me on Lex-only considering if someone can tell me if it helps the emotional state of mind and the sex life. Feel no emotion but anger and irritability on Celexa as well as horrible sexual side effects (lack of). Please advise if anyone knows if the Lex might help or will everything stay the same-read that the Lex is a "better" Celexa any comments on this???
The only thing I can tell you is some found changing to lexapro helped and some did not. This goes for celexa and other meds. No one can tell you for sure, its trial and error. I had to try 3 meds to get the right one. TAKE CARE!!!
WAYNE
Posted by arrianna on July 30, 2003, at 11:40:44
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness » arrianna, posted by kayenna on July 30, 2003, at 2:15:04
K- Don't worry about it: it wasn't you that frightened me- just the thought of withdrawal. I got a little over my head thinking into the future of "what ifs" when I need to stay in today. I was naive to think that I may experience the same symptons as you: so thanks to you and everyone else who set me straight- ssri's and the symptons, etc. vary from individual to individual. I am going to give the Lex some more time and see what happens: so far it's working for me and the side effects are getting better. I'll worry about the withdrawal when it's time. Hope you're feeling better, K, and hope it's getting easier. YSIPB, Arrianna
Posted by FRND4LF on July 30, 2003, at 14:01:21
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness, posted by Rich B on July 28, 2003, at 15:12:19
Hello,
I was put on 10 mg of Lexapro in Sept. 2002. I do not think there is such a term, but I believe I had situational depression. My marriage experienced the darkest part of it's 12 years. For the first time in my life I was going back to bed in the daytime. The Lexapro did not get rid of the problems, but it helped me handle them. I never intended to be on Lexapro forever. The prescribing Dr. said a year would be all I needed. My marriage may not be perfect but it is healing. I have a new doctor (we moved across country) and at my request he gave me instructions for going off this medication. For 5 days I took 5mg and then off completely. It is day 4 of no Lexapro and emotionally I feel better than I have in a while.....but physically I am coming un-glued. The electric shocks, big head feeling, dizziness and distance perception are horrible. I called my new Dr. and was told these symptoms are because I really do need to be on the drug. He wants me to stay on the 10 mg a day. Huh?????
Did I miss something or am I being led to believe once on an anti-depressant, always on an anti-depressant? This means that any time you experience a withdrawal symptom it means you really need the drug, be it Lexapro...cigarettes...alcohol etc? Yes, I am usually this sarcastic when I am mad! I called the office back and told them, no...I am not going back on Lexapro. I have not gone through 4 days of hell just to start over again down the road. All I wanted was a suggestion for making this transition a bit less uncomfortable. The office told me they could not help, and if the symptoms continued to go to the ER. So here I am, feeling pretty horrible, with no one to say hey...try this or do this. My husband is in the medical field. He believes that my new Dr. may be a bit worried about potential legal issues. I made it clear that I feel emotional strong, just physically falling apart. If there is nothing that can help this, so be it. Just don't make me stay on a drug I really don't feel I need anymore. Any words of wisdom or encouragement would be greatly appreciated. Prayers are always good too!
Posted by Micheke on July 30, 2003, at 15:39:32
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness, posted by FRND4LF on July 30, 2003, at 14:01:21
I am appalled at the answer that your doctor's office gave you. Please get a new doctor quickly! I am finding out rapidly that many of us experience the same withdrawal symptoms - that does not mean that we need the the drug. It is the physiological changes our brains are making trying to adjust to life without it. How dare your doctor give you this information & now basically tells you that you're on your own?? I do not know how long the withdrawal symptoms last since I am not through my withdrawal either but believe me - you are not alone! If it gets too bad, go back up and then taper slowly. That's the best I've got right now. Keep in touch, this is a great forum for support. Good luck!
-Michele
Posted by tm on July 30, 2003, at 17:05:30
In reply to Loss of emotion, posted by Just Wondering on July 30, 2003, at 11:22:48
> Doc wants to put me on Lex-only considering if someone can tell me if it helps the emotional state of mind and the sex life. Feel no emotion but anger and irritability on Celexa as well as horrible sexual side effects (lack of). Please advise if anyone knows if the Lex might help or will everything stay the same-read that the Lex is a "better" Celexa any comments on this???
I had problems with sexual side effects with Paxil. I switched to Lex. and the side effect went away. At the same time I had to get my confidence back, it was kind of scary, but it worked out. Remember we all act diifferent to the meds. My state of mind was touchy with the Lex, but it went away. Good Luck Tim! I would switch.
Posted by Capri on July 30, 2003, at 19:36:12
In reply to Re: Wayne..Question, posted by BLKVETTES on July 30, 2003, at 10:19:00
Hi Wayne,
Thank you for taking the time to share all of that info with me! It's much appreciated.
I've been suffering from anxiety since I was about 10 (not kidding). I never knew what it was back then. I finally was diagnosed when I was 22. I just want to find a med that is the "magic" pill I guess. I've tried so many over the years. I had a great therapist way back when I was first diagnosed. I felt great for a number of years but then the anxiety returned again. I haven't found a therapist I liked since then. I seem to have a really hard time with the AD's. The Klonopin is great but I take it on a as needed basis. I think I will cut back the Lex to 5 mg and maybe add Klonopin. I take a 1/2 of Klonopin here and there and I'm good to go. I'll see my clown doctor this Friday and ask him his opinion...just for the heck of it.
I'm disappointed because most of the AD's I try do not help my anxiety (and sometimes panic). I can't tolerate the theraputic doses it seems. This Pdoc has Remeron lined of for me next. Have you had experience with Remeron?
Thanks again!
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 30, 2003, at 19:58:55
In reply to Re: Wayne..Question » BLKVETTES, posted by Capri on July 30, 2003, at 19:36:12
> Hi Wayne,
>
> Thank you for taking the time to share all of that info with me! It's much appreciated.
>
> I've been suffering from anxiety since I was about 10 (not kidding). I never knew what it was back then. I finally was diagnosed when I was 22. I just want to find a med that is the "magic" pill I guess. I've tried so many over the years. I had a great therapist way back when I was first diagnosed. I felt great for a number of years but then the anxiety returned again. I haven't found a therapist I liked since then. I seem to have a really hard time with the AD's. The Klonopin is great but I take it on a as needed basis. I think I will cut back the Lex to 5 mg and maybe add Klonopin. I take a 1/2 of Klonopin here and there and I'm good to go. I'll see my clown doctor this Friday and ask him his opinion...just for the heck of it.
>
> I'm disappointed because most of the AD's I try do not help my anxiety (and sometimes panic). I can't tolerate the theraputic doses it seems. This Pdoc has Remeron lined of for me next. Have you had experience with Remeron?
>
> Thanks again!Hi Capri, dont give up on the lex yet it is still early. Dont feel bad about moving back to 5mg if you do. At one time I could only tolerate 2.5mg of lexapro. I was on zoloft and paxil and know nothing about Remeron. I can understand your frustration bouncing from med to med. I could not handle klonopin when I tried it. Just did not like the feeling. I settled on the xanax. But the klonopin is stronger, did you ever try xanax instead of klonopin. Some people take 4 or 5 mgs of klonopin a day and say they are doing fine. I had 4 docs in like a 5 month span. Calling them clown doctors is an injustice to clowns if you know what I mean. At least the clowns cheer you up. Ive read exercise is very helpful for anxiety. Ever try jogging? I hope the lex works and wish I had an answer to the magic pill for you. TAKE CARE!!!!
WAYNE
Posted by Capri on July 30, 2003, at 20:38:11
In reply to Re: Wayne..Question, posted by BLKVETTES on July 30, 2003, at 19:58:55
Hi,
I also tried Zoloft. I hated it!
I took Xanax about 20 years ago. A family physician had prescribed it (when I first found out I had anxiety). I LOVED Xanax. I had absolutely no anxiety and good take the world on. This doc never told me to taper off. I took it for about 3 months .25, 3x a day. I stopped it cold turkey and boy did I have major withdrawals. Felt like I was totally losing my mind, etc. Only lasted about a day and I was fine. I chalk it up to an MD who prescribed it but really knew nothing about it. I have learned so much about meds since then. I'm sure if I had tapered off of Xanax I would of been fine.
I like Klonopin. I've done a lot of homework on it. However I do not take it on a regular basis. I think a 30 day supply lasts me about 4 months. I would love to try it on a regular basis. In my opinion nothing beats the Benzo's for anxiety. The whole problem is the "habit forming" question.
Capri
Posted by BLKVETTES on July 30, 2003, at 21:27:11
In reply to Hi Wayne... » BLKVETTES, posted by Capri on July 30, 2003, at 20:38:11
> Hi,
>
> I also tried Zoloft. I hated it!
>
> I took Xanax about 20 years ago. A family physician had prescribed it (when I first found out I had anxiety). I LOVED Xanax. I had absolutely no anxiety and good take the world on. This doc never told me to taper off. I took it for about 3 months .25, 3x a day. I stopped it cold turkey and boy did I have major withdrawals. Felt like I was totally losing my mind, etc. Only lasted about a day and I was fine. I chalk it up to an MD who prescribed it but really knew nothing about it. I have learned so much about meds since then. I'm sure if I had tapered off of Xanax I would of been fine.
>
> I like Klonopin. I've done a lot of homework on it. However I do not take it on a regular basis. I think a 30 day supply lasts me about 4 months. I would love to try it on a regular basis. In my opinion nothing beats the Benzo's for anxiety. The whole problem is the "habit forming" question.
>
> CapriHi Capri, I think you have the experience to take the klonopin in a responsible manner. The lex starts working and then cut back. If the lex does not work move on. I think you know the game you have educated yourself on these disorders and meds and thats very important. Like someone posted the other day cant worry about the future got to worry about today. GOOD LUCK!!!
WAYNE
Posted by bookgurl99 on July 30, 2003, at 21:36:13
In reply to Re: Lexapro Withdrawal Dizziness, posted by FRND4LF on July 30, 2003, at 14:01:21
Hello --
This 'withdrawal' syndrome does not necessarily mean you _need_ the lexapro. Some doctors believe that the 'symptoms' are due to anxious symptoms causing physical symptoms, but the 'ssri withdrawal syndrome' is pretty well known in medical lit.
If your dr. is a conventional doc, he may consider prescribing a benzo (like Ativan) to help you ride this frightening time out.
If you don't want to use any drugs, then my advice is to do relaxing activities and ride this time out. The dizziness _is_ temporary, usually wearing off after less than a week. And you may have some mild symptoms that will wear out after about another few weeks.
Remember, you are getting better, even if you fear that you are not at the moment.
Posted by Donia on July 30, 2003, at 23:13:40
In reply to Re: Wayne..Question, posted by BLKVETTES on July 30, 2003, at 10:19:00
It too took many months for me to be "normal" on the lexapro. I was slowly improving, but it was slow. I had concentration problems for at least 4 months, but also had that while I was not on the med. I can say now at I think 7 months, I feel as if I am getting the full benefits of the med. It took me about 4 months on the zoloft to feel really good again too when I took it. These side effects are no worse than how I felt before the med and they do go away with time.
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