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Posted by JME on July 21, 2003, at 14:41:49
In reply to Re: Effexor to Lexapro? » KimberlyDi, posted by melley on July 21, 2003, at 13:59:11
I'm a 39 year old male who doesn't remember a life without being depressed. After years of dealing with my problem through isolation, I finally sought help after my depression became so bad while dealing with the break up of a long term relationship.I started out with Lexipro in Febuary and saw some improvement. However I had horrible sexual side effects, it was almost impossible to ejaculate, and then after a minimal relief the Lexipro became less and less effective. My doctor then put me on Wellbutrin SR, and began to wean me off of the Lexipro. After about 4 weeks I stopped the Lexipro and went up to a dose of 300mg of the Wellbutrin. Within two weeks I became severly depressed and began entertaining thoughts of suicide. I went this morning and my doctor gave me a start up pack of Effexor XR. I'm starting with the small dose while continuing the Wellbutrin at a smaller dose, 150mg once a day. I only hope and pray that Effexor gives me the relief I so badly seek.
Posted by willie on July 21, 2003, at 14:58:41
In reply to Re: Starting Effexor , posted by JME on July 21, 2003, at 14:41:49
Hey JME...just wanted to let you know that I experienced some sexual disfunction when I first began taking effexor. Don't get too frustrated okay? It took about 4 weeks for me to have sexual sensation and even then it took a long time to experience an orgasm. It was probably around 6 weeks before I was back to where I was in that respect.Give it some time as I'm sure it differs for everyone and pending on the dosage you're on. Keep talking to us all...we'll do what we can to help you through it.
Take care...Willie
Posted by mercedes on July 21, 2003, at 15:01:45
In reply to Re: speaking of tuna, posted by Susy on July 20, 2003, at 23:10:42
Cher....yea, when I read the comment, I too thought it was odd. As S has said before, her english is not too good. I beleive what she meant was that after all the things you are going through, flood, bailing water, pain in your hands, she couldn't believe how you had the energy or should I say, "caring" enough to still try helping others on pbabble.
I'm bilingual english/spanish and know how easily one can say one thing but mean another. My first language was spanish. Didn't start english till kindergarten yet was born in the USA.
I'm glad for one thing though, it made you talk about yourself and what you have gone through which as I said in previous note, I was afraid to ask you. So keep on babbling!!!! Our ears/eyes are waiting.
Luv & support to all!
mercedes
Posted by zinya on July 21, 2003, at 15:27:47
In reply to Re: to Zinya Susy » zinya, posted by mercedes on July 21, 2003, at 13:30:51
Hi Mercedes and Susy,
thanks for your responses. I didn't want to assume one way or the other but just wanted to make sure that i hadn't come across wrong, and i'm grateful to hear you don't hear me that way. It's not just a potentially ambiguous comment like that but it can sometimes just be something inside me (like if/when no one responds to a post, say) which sometimes makes me a bit paranoid, worried that i've come across too strong or offensive. That 'voice' in me isn't dominant but it *is* there and especially if i'm in a down phase, it can rear its head and make me wonder. I didn't really think Susy meant that -- because heavens you've been so gracious, Susy -- but just wanted to make sure.
Mercedes is right in that sense that i can not be sure or comfortable with how others are perceiving me until much much time has passed. I have a handful of friends who are so precious they are like soulmate sisters (and at times in my life, soulmate brothers too) with whom i have no such qualms, we understand each other implicitly and fully. But i've had many times in my life of being so misunderstood or misrepresented that there is a kernel that lingers of uncertainty.
I totally agree with everything you say, mercedes, and i try to apply that but it is often an 'easier said than done' kind of thing.
Anyway, not wanting to belabor this more than is warranted, but thanking you for your reassurances, both of you. I know that when i write, i tend to write rather "fully" what's in my mind/heart and it makes for posts that i'm sure are too long for some, which is okay, as you say.
{{{{{{hugs back to you both}}}}}}}
> Zinya, regarding the "know about everything" comment Susy made. Take the compliment and run with it girl. One thing that I learned about co-depependents, is that it's hard for us to take compliments because we haven't thought about ourselves in such a long time.
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> Susy, I heard what you meant. Zinya has helped you so much with her knowledge and you were complimenting her. Zinya went the extra mile to help you with the counselor. That's why I included you, Z, in my original post to Susy.
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> Zinya, you don't come accross as a "know it all". The information you provide may be helpful to some and maybe not to others. We have a choice to read it or not to. I happen to read all the posts.....I'm addicted to this site, he he.
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> I personally want to reach into this computer and give you both a big hug. Losing your mom, having to deal with the house, I've been there and I still have boxes to unpack which are still in the garage. I moved last Sept. It's going to be a year and you know what, I'll get to it when I "feel" like it or when I'm "mentally healthy" enough. That's my attitude. Life is too short to waste being critical of ourselves. We've had a lifetime of people criticizing us. At least I have. NO MAS !
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> ((((Hugs)))
> Mercedes
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Posted by KimberlyDi on July 21, 2003, at 15:31:50
In reply to Re: PLEASE GIVE ADVICE, posted by Susy on July 21, 2003, at 9:58:55
It almost makes me laugh when someone refers to me as strong. Me? I was hospitalized the summer of 2002, and hospitalized twice before that. My road to recovery has been a long one. I feel that my entire 20's and early 30's were wasted. If I were to have a AD political platform of sorts, it would be simple. 2 things: 1) depression is a life-threatening disease, hit it with everything you can. AD's, doctors, therapy, support groups, psycho-babble and family/friends. 2) be pro-active in your treatment. All great journey's begin with a single step. Be it a single to-do item on a list, or a mental determination that "making my bed this morning" is my first step to taking back my life. This worked for me, when I was jobless, homeless, and about to lose custody of my son. I've been there. Suicidal and overwhelmed, feeling like I was worth less than dogpoop.
I made the most achievement during 13 years of failures in the past few months. Thanks to Effexor. So I'm not strong. I'm just extremely lucky to be alive and content. So please forgive me if I get overzealous in my posts. Some of those posts make me cry. I want to rip off those "depression blinders" and point to the top of the hill. I made it to the top, you can too. It may just be a rest stop, before another climb begins, but it will get better.
However long their battle takes, I wish EVERYONE the best.
KDi in Texas
> Hi KDI in Texas, I was reading your post, and I think that you are very healthy. I mean, if you do want to get out of your house and work or do a lot of other things is because you feel you have the strenght to do them! For most of us, it is the opposite, I don't know if you understand this, but when you feel depressed and you have to deal with anxiety everyday you start having a lack of energy and litle by litle the only one thing you feel comfortable with is staying home.
> I am still trying to find out how did I do before to take care of my kids,clean my home, cook, and still work, because that is what I did for 18 years. Now, living with this anxiety; sometimes it is a big deal even to go to the beach with them.
> If you have everything you need to make it, go ahead and make it! Hire a babysitter, and find a job you like, or volunteer in programs, maybe that is exactly what you need to feel yourself again. Hugs, Susy
Posted by zinya on July 21, 2003, at 15:41:41
In reply to Re: Babble » Susy, posted by CherC68 on July 21, 2003, at 13:45:35
Ohhhhhh, Cher!!
NOOO. You BELONG here each and every time you can rally your hands and your spirits to write. I only miss not hearing from you more, but I know you have to monitor how much and how often you write, and I don't want you hurting yourself on our behalf. But please know how much we want to hear from you when you can.
I think Susy just meant she couldn't imagine how you have the energy you *do* manage somehow to conjure up with all that you are coping with... And now to learn these horrible consequences of tornadoes and storms to boot. Cher, my heart goes out to you. Dear Cher... My gosh... You are incredibly brave.
But I know (i think, or i have a sense) that you must be feeling TOTALLY overwhelmed and probably not feeling brave at all. If I were you, I'd not only be wanting to just sit down and cry (if it didn't mean being soaked to my waist!)...
Cher, please know that i'm here anytime you want to talk as well... There are no words really for wanting to convey to you just how much my thoughts and feelings are with you, how important you are to us here, and how much i'm hugging you through cyberspace...
love and {{{{bear hugs}}}}
zinya
Posted by catwomen on July 21, 2003, at 15:53:27
In reply to Re: Babble » CherC68, posted by zinya on July 21, 2003, at 15:41:41
I am considering going off my effexor xr because me and my husband want to have a baby. I am scared to death of the withdrawl. I tried one time and could not take the anxiety.
Posted by KimberlyDi on July 21, 2003, at 16:03:20
In reply to Are we all Pleasers w/men who are Controllers?, posted by Yankeegirl on July 21, 2003, at 11:05:37
YankeeGirl,
You seem remarkably self-aware of what's bothering you for someone that hasn't been to counseling yet. That's a plus. I am with a Controlling man. We work together, carpool together, live together, sleep together. I insist on taking my baths alone. My husband was the main force driving me to treatment. Fear. The weaker I am, the more abusive he gets. I had to get my act together to protect myself. He's not sure what to think about the new me.
KDi in Texas> I've been on Effexor for about 4 weeks, but haven't had any counseling from the physchiatrist yet, and I go over the phych testing tomorrow, so I haven't had a chance to talk about my issues yet. When my child graduated high school in 2000 I thought "now I'll have more time to..." and I could not remember for the life of me what it was I used to like to do. Last month my baby graduated and I think my reaction was "I spent 24 years raising them, did a great job in spite of how stressful and overwhelming it was, and now can collapse. One afternoon, I was distraught and agonizing and crying over the thought of having to make dinner. When I added that to the realization that I had no identity anymore, that I had gradually given up pieces of myself to make my husband happy, who critized everything I ever did, that is when I realized I needed help. I've been reading a book by Dr. Kevin Leman called "The Pleasers - Women Who Can't Say No - And the Men Who Control Them (sorry Dr. Bob I don't know how to do that highlighting thing). This post is long enough without going into more details. I'm wondering ---- how many of you see yourselves in this same situation with a controlling man????? Yankeegirl
Posted by KimberlyDi on July 21, 2003, at 16:21:33
In reply to Re: Hey Willie...thanks for sharing » willie, posted by mercedes on July 21, 2003, at 12:04:30
Co-dependents anonymous is a wonderful group (when you can find them). Except my husband doesn't like me to go because he's afraid they are teaching me to "not need him". It's about defining yourself, without being a chameleon to your significant other. Setting boundaries, to know you have the right to say "no" when you are uncomfortable. Teaching you how to express your needs and wants instead of suffering in silence. I've heard that Al-Anon is very close to the same. Alot of us are caregivers to others without ever taking care of ourselves.
Sorry for rambling! I'm a posting fool today.
KDi in Texas
Posted by Susy on July 21, 2003, at 17:27:42
In reply to Re: Babble » Susy, posted by CherC68 on July 21, 2003, at 13:45:35
Oh God, I don't know where to begin.....it is not just to know the words in english but how to put them together hu?
I will ask you all to plese be patient with me, I am very happy at he babble, but I see I am causing some misunderstandings for the way I explain the things.....I am so sorry for that.
Zinya, for us, in my language, when we ask somebody for something we don't have any clue about...we say, oh, tell me, you know everything about this, or that,....meaning and I don't, so please help me understand......another mistake I make it is that sometimes I am in a hurry and that day I was very excited about my new findings with the Dr., and believe me Zinya you were the first person who came to my mind to tell the news.
Cher, once again, trying to make it short when I wrote what I was trying to say it was that right now I can not do not even the half of what you do;
it was a kind of a compliment for your courage, your words have always helped me since I am on the Babble.
So once again, sorry for the misunderstandings.
I am going to try to be more clear even if I have to write more =)
I love you girlsSusy (Yeaph, from Spain, like Antonio Banderas )
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 21, 2003, at 17:38:51
In reply to Are we all Pleasers w/men who are Controllers?, posted by Yankeegirl on July 21, 2003, at 11:05:37
> I've been reading a book by Dr. Kevin Leman called "The Pleasers - Women Who Can't Say No - And the Men Who Control Them (sorry Dr. Bob I don't know how to do that highlighting thing).
How to do the highlighting thing:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#amazon
Thanks! :-)
Bob
Posted by Dr. Bob on July 21, 2003, at 17:45:19
In reply to norepineph. To SLS or Larry Hoover or St. James, posted by zinya on July 21, 2003, at 12:48:08
> hi noa,
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> i wasn't sure if maybe you were a monitor...She isn't, for those who are, see:
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#deputies
> I wrote a post once to Dr. Bob for confirmation but a monitor answered saying I'd have to get the answers in "the monograph" allegedly somewhere on the site but I couldn't find a monograph. I wrote back asking for a site address and never got an answer.
Sorry about that, I'm not sure what they meant, but maybe it was the Venlafaxine FAQ by Ivan Goldberg?
http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/venlafaxine.html
Bob
Posted by bookgurl99 on July 21, 2003, at 18:08:02
In reply to Re: Effexor XR -- sleepy, dizzy » bookgurl99, posted by mercedes on July 20, 2003, at 0:53:47
Mercedes--
Hey I just saw my general md today. He explained that 'permanent damage' from hemiplegic migraines is incredibly rare; it's more like drinking a lot -- if you can stop it, everything comes back.
Anyways, just thought I'd let you know of some things we're doing:
1. starting on lexapro. this is because ssri's can help stabilize your brain chemistry. switching meds, btw, has always made them worse.
2. verapamil, a calcium channel blocker, 3 x, day.
3. if i feel an attack coming on, try alka seltzer, just plain old alka seltzer in water. he said for some reason it can work.
4. if not, have a xanax. (maybe to help relax everything?)
5. if xanax doesn't work, have a fioronal(sp?), a relaxing barbituate.
whoosh! i feel like a walking chemistry project.
i'm also working on stress relief/exercise/yoga all that good stuff. spent most of the day feeling weird but am starting to feel better after an alka seltzer and xanax. :D
books
Posted by CherC68 on July 21, 2003, at 18:51:41
In reply to Re: Feel so sorry, posted by Susy on July 21, 2003, at 17:27:42
Dear Susy, Mercedes, Kimberly, Zinya and Nyia and Willie and heck everyone....
Susy, please don't worry about your English - it's fine. I'm just very sensitive and compared to most of you - I'm just a baby.
The first day of the bad storm and the flooding - I was the strong one, as per usual. The next day my mother called and all I did was listen to her cuss & moan and groan about her phone line not working properly. My basement is flooding, I have no electric no phone just a cell phone - I lost all my food in the fridge & all my meat, I lost paper towels from Sams Club, Toilet paper, dog food, cat litter, etc. but I listened to my mother rag non-stop about her phone. I don't want to be like my mother. I know it seems like i'm complaining - but I have no where else at the moment to go.
The sun came back out and I was talking to a neighbor between bailing - and he suggested I should go for a swim in between. Its the only pleasure in life I seem to have anymore. I cleaned the pool and the motor burnt out. The pool was installed May 15th this YEAR!
I feel like Nyia with the bills now, I'm late on things because of my husbands continuing travel (we have to pay out of our own pocket) and the reimbursements are taking 3-4 weeks, so now I'm late on almost all my bills. We should have never taken out the loan for the roof, windows, fence, trees out and the pool. I grew up very very poor - neither parents working (my dad off for two years - and I paid the mortgage from the age of 16 until I was almost 20. Got married early and was in an abusive situation.
I don't know how I wake up everyday - sometimes I wake up and say to myself - damn I'm still here. There has to be more to life than constant negativity, constant stress & anxiety, constant pain, constant unhappiness.
I do what I do because if I don't who the hell would? I have a 13 year old, had almost died when I was sick a few years ago and had a hysterectomy & radiation and almost died and was so pissed that I took 60 muscle relaxers a few months later when I was recovering. I realized that wanting another child and not being able to and here I just took 60 muscle relaxers. I took ipecac LOTS OF IT - and threw it up. I tried jumping out a window once - I burnt my wrist with a cigarrette without flinching a while ago and got down almost to the bone in my wrist and I felt nothing.
So I'm barely making it. I don't want to get up in the morning - i don't want to leave my house - I don't want to laugh, love, swim, nothing - I do EVERYTHING like I am a machine.
I have a child - that if I took my own life, it would probably take his. My son is so sensitive to me, that it would ruin his life and chances are good that he would end up ending his own life because of it. That's why I'm here. Not cause I want to be - but because I have to be.
I am very strong, everyone says it - but..I'm losing my grip. A few hours ago when I found out the motor burnt out, and my basement is still flooded I started laughing - hysterically - I laughed so hard and crying - I laughed without stopping for an hour and my husband called from MO and I couldn't stop laughing. I wanted to call the paramedics but my husband told me not too. He did say that if I commit myself he would get me out - and he wouldn't let them put me away or keep me there.
I'm torn - I need to be committed I know this - shit I know this for a fact, but I take care of everything in this house - bills, cleaning, cooking - cats, dog, everything - I cannot do it to them, but I can't do this anymore - i cannot go around with the crazy thoughts and depression and handle every friggin thing no more - i'm losing it.
My best friend stopped by out of the blue (well I thought it was cause she knew I was in need of help with the water. I was on the phone with my husband laughing like a lunatic. Well....she wanted to burn a CD. She was here yesterday for a little bit with a "new friend" and wanted to swim and said she was going to come back and spend the night because of the storm - but she didn't and didn't bother calling. Her and her friend ate the dinner I prepared and that's that! Got to love it when your best friend is on her "Manic High". Everything is yeah great - woohoo.
MY internist is not at my clinic any longer -and the Clinic has no PDoc's so I'm still looking for one in my insurance coverage...going to the hospital seems likes such an easier solultion.
Well, my frantic husband just called right now, and I have to be okay to talk to him. No more hysterical laughter, thanks for listening again - and I wish I could give advise or help others on here - maybe I should just do a blog and talk to myself (i'm getting good at talking to myself cause most of the time I'm alone anyhow.)
Thanks again, (and no i'm not doing anything rash or hurting myself).
Love, Cher
Posted by willie on July 21, 2003, at 19:31:24
In reply to Re: Feel so sorry » Susy, posted by CherC68 on July 21, 2003, at 18:51:41
Hey Cher...I've been on line hoping to hear from you again. I'm up in Ontario, Canada and we're currently under a severe storm warning...probably the tip of the storm that went through Illinois earlier today.
I'm really concerned about you..you can't go on like this. I understand that you want to be strong for your family but you also need to be strong for you.
I'm the "strong" one in my family. I know what it can be like for others to pile their stressors on you while you have your own to deal with.
The fact that you don't want to laugh or love reveals to me that your depression is at rock bottom. I don't think I've ever come to that point.
I know you feel that you can't seek the treatment you desperately need (commiting yourself) but please keep talking to us and any counsellor you may be seeing. I'll look for your postings every day...
Lean on us...let us be the strong one for you to rely on...
Sending a huge hug from Canada
Willie
Posted by CherC68 on July 21, 2003, at 19:42:47
In reply to Re: Hey Cher, posted by willie on July 21, 2003, at 19:31:24
Willie, I just talked to my husband and I'm doing a bit better. He knows that I do everything and its getting harder by the day.
I'm close to rock bottom - hey - i may not take crap from anyone anymore and I'm strong that way - but....inside man - i don't know.
I took a xanax earlier - that's the only meds I'm on - the wellbutrin made my hands and feet hurt more than they already did so I stopped.
My biggest problem is I'm not seeing a therapist - they have them at the clinic - but the clinic suggested I needed a pdoc first - so - Zinya and everyone on here has been my sounding board.
For me it seems to be easier to type this out than sitting and talking with someone about the crap in my head. That's why I keep thinking a blog would be better for me, but like I said - I read the posts and if I feel I have something helpful to say I say it - but lately I been taking more from babble than giving and I'm sorry.
I will make it through this night and tomorrow night and tomorrow I will do double duty to find a pdoc & therapist.
Thanks Willie I'm feeling more self-control right now. I wish the crazy thoughts like - "ram your head into the wall - I bet you won't feel it" - that's sick - but that's what I feel in my head.
The song by The Wallflowers "I started a Joke" - from the movie Zoolander is playing in my head NON-STOP - since Saturday afternoon. That's sort of how I feel now.
Well, time to now start bleaching my basement. I will work only 1/2 hour and I think I'm going to take dog for a walk and go to bed.
Again, Willie thank you so much for caring - and I hope you and everyone has a peaceful, happy, anxiety free night!
Love, Cher
Posted by willie on July 21, 2003, at 19:49:55
In reply to Re: Thanks again » willie, posted by CherC68 on July 21, 2003, at 19:42:47
I'll sleep easier knowing you're feeling a bit better. I'll talk to you tomorrow...Willie
Posted by chris3 on July 21, 2003, at 20:34:06
In reply to PLEASE GIVE ADVICE, posted by tmgirl on July 19, 2003, at 0:17:48
I too just started Effexor (37.5 started today, go to 75 next week). I am now worried after reading these posts and browsing a lot of sites about Effexor. I was on Prozac last year and I felt it helped a lot but then I lost my job and all this other stuff and started getting depressed again so I went back to the doctor and she prescribed Effexor. At the same time, I also was going in about impotence and I notice that is one of the side effects for Effexor. Am I making a mistake taking this stuff or what?
I am trying to gauge the seriousness of the side effects. How bad is the impotence and antiorgasm (or whatever)? I'm thinking about going back to the doctor and changing my prescription. The headaches and addiction and sexual problems I think will only make my depression that much worse.
Posted by zinya on July 21, 2003, at 22:27:11
In reply to Re: monitors and monograph, posted by Dr. Bob on July 21, 2003, at 17:45:19
hi Dr. Bob,
First, i want to say that i, like others, am endlessly grateful for this website. It is a wonderful contribution.
Second, I am appreciative that you responded here to this post.
That said, the FAQ you directed me to does not even remotely address the question I asked.
Couldn't you or someone in your staff answer my question about whether the 150 mg level indeed is some "magic" level where the norepinephrine effects "kick in"?
I feel like this site is GREAT for us to sort of commiserate and collaborate with each other. But given that we occasionally DO raise things that could benefit from a medical or pharmacological answer (not on aregular basis - I realize from the initial "test" which I vaguely recall from last November that that isn't the function but isn't this an example of the kind of question that is reasonable to ask and our doctors don't know these things?), and then get mostly brushed off, forgive me but I'm frustrated.
While I'm at it, regarding the FAQ you directed me to, although a couple of the questions in the FAQ provided some interesting answers on some topics, I also get the sense the FAQ you directed me to is rather out-of-date. It only refers to dosages, etc., with reference to regular Effexor, not Effexor XR so that the question about what dosage levels are normal is rather meaningless to any of us taking XR because the dosage amounts are all different.
I would suggest that someone redo your FAQ with this in mind, and it would be VERY helpful if they addressed this issue of when norepinephrine effects kick in. Otherwise we are subject to rumor, and I have still no idea whether it was rumor or fact what a poster said on here once about the 150 mg level being a sort of "magic level" when it kicks in.
In the meantime, is there anyone who could answer my norepinephrine/adrenal system question? That is *the* main reason my dr. put me on this drug and I can never find any information on how and when it will kick in, or whether it should have already, which would mean it simply isn't working for me.
sincerely,
zinya
> > hi noa,
> >
> > i wasn't sure if maybe you were a monitor...
>
> She isn't, for those who are, see:
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> http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faq.html#deputies
>
> > I wrote a post once to Dr. Bob for confirmation but a monitor answered saying I'd have to get the answers in "the monograph" allegedly somewhere on the site but I couldn't find a monograph. I wrote back asking for a site address and never got an answer.
>
> Sorry about that, I'm not sure what they meant, but maybe it was the Venlafaxine FAQ by Ivan Goldberg?
>
> http://www.dr-bob.org/tips/venlafaxine.html
>
> Bob
Posted by tmgirl on July 22, 2003, at 0:55:29
In reply to Re: PLEASE GIVE ADVICE, posted by Susy on July 21, 2003, at 9:58:55
Hi, thanks for posting. As far as wanting to go out and doing things ....what I mean is that I wish I had the energy to do these things with my family. I feel left behind and like you said, just going to the beach turns into a big thing. I too am most comfortable with just being at home while everyone else is out doing whatever. My life, I gave to my kids & hubby years ago. I have no ME anymore. I guess its hard to explain. I realize everyday more & more that I am depressed and have been for years. I was put on Zolaft about 9 years ago after the death of my brother. I took myself off after about 6 months. The last 2 years or so I feel like alot of things have suffered...mainly my marriage. The funny thing is, my hubby does not even know it. I try to tell him how I feel but to him all is well with the world and he doesnt understand how I am feeling or why. Sometimes I think Im going crazy. The best part of all this is that I love him so much, I dont want to live without him but yet sometimes hate living with him. Sometimes I think that I am changing but then I think he is the one who changed. I never would get on any meds because I have always felt that TRUE happiness and peace of mind comes from above. My hubby believes that too and doesnt support me on the effexor but it has helped so far I think. Who knows maybe nothing works for a broken spirit.
I just wish I could get my old self back.
Posted by tmgirl on July 22, 2003, at 1:08:00
In reply to Are we all Pleasers w/men who are Controllers?, posted by Yankeegirl on July 21, 2003, at 11:05:37
I know how you are feeling. That is one thing I am afraid of is one day waking up and wondering where all my life went to when my kids are gone and I am then old and been put through the ringer with thwe hubby. My children & hubby have been my life, my world and my every breath for what seems like forever.....I too cant think of what my hobbies were or the things I enjoyed. Even if I could I just wonder if I could get into them now. The one thing that have always been a hearts passion for me is horses. I used to own 6 of them. I miss them now and it was so peaceful riding them especially at night under the stars. I just really like to share them with my husband and he just hated everything about them.
Posted by mercedes on July 22, 2003, at 3:11:03
In reply to BAM treatment protocol » mercedes, posted by bookgurl99 on July 21, 2003, at 18:08:02
Books, thanks for the information. I've printed it so's i can member it. Alka Seltzer, what a concept. I'm buying some tomorrow just to have around. For me, since I already take xanex 3xday, it doesn't help after I've had an attack as I usually just want to sleep.
Glad to hear you GP said that the damage isn't permanent. My GP won't even give me the time of day or let me discuss it with her. I had a physical on the 16th (last Wed.) and took my findings on BAM, she said something like, you can read as much as you want but I can't treat you, you have to discuss it with your neurologist. The day I had the attack, I cld her and she wouldn't see me, sd I needed to contact my pdoc. Go figure!
I was getting concerned about the permanent damage. I saw my pdoc today and took my posting regarding my attack and had printed some pages on Basilar Artery Migranes. He said he had heard of BAM and was amazed as I read some information on it. He said he'll look up a good neurologist that knows about this subject. Meanwhile I'm staying on xanex and Effexor (I also take blood pressure med and celebrex for arthritis.) No lexapro for me right now.
Again thanks and keep me posted.
mercedes
Posted by bookgurl99 on July 22, 2003, at 7:21:08
In reply to Re: BAM treatment protocol » bookgurl99, posted by mercedes on July 22, 2003, at 3:11:03
Mercedes,
I'm going to put my reply to your last msg in a dfferent thread so people trying to read about Effexor are not getting messages about BAM instead. I will use the same subject "Bam Treatement Protocol" and go post it now.
books
Posted by willie on July 22, 2003, at 7:21:12
In reply to Anyone had success on Effexor XR? , posted by jp on October 24, 1999, at 14:59:14
Good morning Cher. I sure hope the sun is shining in your town today...no more rain for a while. I'm going to be away from my computer for most of the day because of work but I wanted to touch base about you finding a counsellor today.
Please find one that will challenge you to open up and dig down deep. I first went to a phychiatrist but his method of therapy did not work for me. I didn't know how to open up. I was very fortunate to have someone recommend another counsellor to me who knew how to challenge me to dig down deep and uncover things I buried long ago.
Believe me..at first I didn't understand why he was focussing on my childhood when I went for help with my PTSD, I was actually upset that he was not addressing my current problem. He explained he first had to get to where the problem first began.
He used some funky methods (like getting me to write a letter to my father who I hadn't spoken to in 20 years). When I first started writing I didn't know what to say but once I began I ended up with 10 pages of anger and hurt. He then used that letter in our sessions as a basis he could use to help me open up even further. It can be very scary trying to uncover things that you've buried so deep within yourself but once you do it's like you've been released from it.
Mercedes said something in one of her postings, "You may never get over it but you will get through it." I think that is a true statement.
As for the not feeling aspect you are experiencing, I learnt during my sessions that people experience range of emotion (highs and lows). People who are depressed and in the "numb" state don't experience either. They shut off the bad feelings to avoid the pain...the only problem with this is that in order to experience the good emotions, you must also let yourself experience the bad ones. You can't have one without the other. Am I making sense?
Anyway, my thoughts will be with you today and I hope to hear from you. Promise me that if you don't like the Pdoc they give you, find another one who works well for you.
Talk to you later on...Willie
Posted by Scooter1 on July 22, 2003, at 8:14:53
In reply to Re: more on BAM » bookgurl99, posted by mercedes on July 21, 2003, at 14:05:04
I am supposed to take the leap from 37.5mg to 75mg today. I am kind of nervous of the SE's. Can anyone else who has gone from one dose to the other tell me what side effects they experienced? Does it get worse or better than the previous dose? I know everyone is different, I would just like to know what to expect? Willie, I to have anxiety, and think maybe I should try the 37.5 for a while before making the leap. What do you think?
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