Posted by tealady on November 3, 2003, at 22:09:06
In reply to Re: emergency depression kit » tealady, posted by JLx on November 2, 2003, at 14:37:21
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> > Well I'm taking tyrosine regularly now, and I'm very happy with it and I think I've worked the dosage out correctly.
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> How much, how long and how did you determine the dose? I am working on that now. I started with 500mg and worked up to 1500mg, but now am wondering if that is too much...or if maybe in time one can/should take less. I've been taking it about a month or maybe 5 weeks, but I've been changing other things as well, so I can't be sure exactly what is doing what...as usual. If I weren't so squirelly in my brain chemistry I would be more systematic about this effort to improve my brain chemistry. <g>I takes a long time doing it one thing at a time..sometimes I wonder just how much time I have to do this <g>
I did post on this b4, but I can't find it.
Until that last reaction, I was best on about 375mg tyrosine (in pure powder form) taken on an emplty stomach..with thyroid meds..about 1-2 hrs before brekkie
then the rest of the 500mg capsule after luch.Larrian (the doc) is slighty hypothyrid and manages with tyrosine(500mg) taken after lunch. Her reasoning is our estrogen levels are highest at noon..and the higher levels help absorb the tyrsoine. (I think) She does understand this stuff.
In her practise she used to measure amino acid levels as part of treatment/monitoring.I tried it all here first, but found early morning on empty stomach better. Sometimes 500mg was too much in one go,..but then I'm also on thryoids meds,
I tried up to 2000mg..and that was mind blowing...even 1000mg was too much..as was 750mg and 666 mg.I've seen some girls take 500mg on an empty stomach in the morning and 500mg at noon(before lunch) instead of thyroid meds who thought they were slightly hypothryoid, and its helped their symptoms. Also helps with ADD/ADHD type symptoms.
I've read females have a lower level of tyrosine than males.Too much tyrosine usually causes aggression (at least in those taking thyroids meds). ..one girl figured this out when she tried to throw her favourite dog out together with the boyfriend..I mean the dog was too much.
So I think if you find yourself getting annoyed too easily....
Some can't tolerate ANY tyrosine supplementation.
Now recovering from whatever reaction I take 500mg tyrosine in morning and same after lunch..still on double thyroid meds too...I can't figure it out..oh and I'm taking about 5000mg lysine..until I figure out if I need it and/or levels build up.
Seems to help with constipation if nothing else.
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> I think my thyroid situation has straightened out since magnesium supplementation, all the others subsequent supplements and also perhaps the tyrosine. I never could talk my doctor into thyroid meds after my tests were "normal", despite my low body temp...which really ticked me off as I thought it had to be a factor in my depression. Now in general, I feel warmer and just better overall. My temp is normal whenever I've taken it.Mine is still a bit low(just measured it)...lot better than a couple of years ago though
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> > I'm still recovering. I tried backing down on the meds and vitC ..tapering off, but I came off too fast and went hypo/constipated/dry skin to stinging stage, aching etc.... So I'm back on about double doses and still about 8g vitc daily and the magn.
> > you know my eyebrows are finally growing back, and some other problems are now fixing themselves up for the first time in years. I'm on overhigh doses though, so I doubt I can continue.
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> Isn't it great to see things get better? :) Maybe you will find that you won't need the overhigh doses after a while.
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> > Yes, see above re chocolate. I was hitting all the high serotonin foods too, nonstop..they helped but not enough. I think I read the trick is hit the serotonin foods and then the glucose/sugars etc. about 20mins later to pass serotonin thru BBB.(only I can't remember where I read that or if it is true, thanks for reminding me).
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> I reminded myself too. My mood took a dip the last couple of days and yesterday was pretty lousy. Then I got this post in e-mail, read it and thought....hmmm... take your own advice! I ate some potatoes and felt better. I had tried in the morning 250 mg of calcium (something I've been avoding except in very small amounts, so this was a big dose) with about an equal amount of magnesium....and it made me nuts! I was crying and carrying on in an argument with my sister...like I was in the grip of a "brain storm". I crushed up two mg malate tablets in applesauce and felt better shortly therafter and really calmed down throughout the day after eating the potatoes.
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> I was just reading here: http://www.nutrition4health.org/NOHAnews/NNW01Trypto.html
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> "What this means is that if we eat a diet that contains relatively large amounts of protein (made up of all of the amino acids) the amount of tryptophan entering the brain will be substantially less than the amount entering the brain while on a low protein diet.
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> On the other hand, if we eat a high carbohydrate-low protein meal, the amount of tryptophan entering the brain will be significantly increased compared with the normal situation."
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> Tyrosine raises dopamine which in turn lowers serotonin, right? So, tyrosine coupled with a high protein diet will really lower serotoin. I suspect this is what happened to me. But I didn't consider eating some protein with my starchy food, next time I will. I took some 5-HTP last night before bed along with a tiny bit of melatonin, and slept a bit better than I've been, and also felt better this morning. Though still brooding about my aggravating sister. <g>
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> > I've just tried to buy tryptophan after matthh had such a good response to it..but it's now banned again in Australia, unless you have docs script...recent crackdown I was told ...not sure when. It's exxy too, I priced it today. Guess I'll have to look for vetinary supplies over here.
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> I never realized how difficult it was to get some of this stuff in other countries that we can buy everywhere.Yes, we can't get DHEA, progesterone, ..etc without prescription...or import them (banned)
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> > Not impressed as I asked if perhaps the noradrenaline would be too high as I was already on tyrosine..he didn't really know what tyrosine was, then considered it didn't have much effect anyway..then told me I'd have to stop taking it..which I won't do. Now he could have given me a script of tyrptophan!!
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> They are aggravating in their ignorance, aren't they?
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> > Perhaps l-phenylanine instead of chocolate is the answer, lol. Do you get a down the next day from l-phenylanine?
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> Well, I'm not very good about keeping track of what I take each day, and then correlating it with my state of being, so I really can't say.
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> > I started on l-lysine yesterday, as I read that this reaction can deplete lysine and potassium..somewhere. .and that lysine affects the collagen..which it sure looked like!Now I just have to find out where I read that!
> > So I've been hitting that hard, and finally unconstipated, and taking potassium by swallowing lite-salt..I can't find it anywhere else so far.
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> Hmm...have you ever tried juicing? Most fruits and veggies have lots of potassium and with juicing it really adds up.That's a thought, but I'm not sure if I'd swallow lots of vege juices
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> > Have you (or anyone) ever tried lysine? It's supposed to be good for hair/nails too. I'd like to find out more about it.
> > Jan
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