Posted by Lou Pilder on January 9, 2013, at 14:57:10
In reply to Abuse of posters, posted by hyperfocus on January 9, 2013, at 12:11:26
> Any relationship where you are repeatedly made to feel bad about yourself and repeatedly accused of false things with no justification is an abusive relationship. Over the past few years myself and other posters have been abused by being repeatedly accused of being prejudiced, bigoted, racist, stigmatizing and scapegoating other posters, fostering hate against others, hiding the truth about psychiatric drugs, poisoning and endangering our own children, disinformation, indoctrination, and any number of very upsetting things. Furthermore it is also abuse when attempts to defend oneself from these accusations or requests to provide some evidence or rationale for such allegations are met with silence, logical fallacies, and attempts to quote posts out of context to justify these allegations. The last tactic in particular is particularly insidious and shows a level of sophistication that belies any belief that this behavior is not deliberate.
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> The effects of abuse are subtle and cumulative -- one does not feel the true effects after only one abusive episode. There are posters who do not post as much or have stopped posting all together because of abusive behavior on PsychoBabble. It makes me exceedingly angry that people are being denied support and education and having their conditions worsened because of abusive behavior here. No true member of an online community devoted to support and education makes all efforts to exclude and discourage others from posting.
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> I do not know of any mental illness that directly causes one to deliberately and repeatedly abuse others, or to engage in an ongoing deliberate campaign to sow discord in this community and foster enmity between individual posters. All of us suffer from anger, anxiety, hatred, guilt, self-loathing, and these things unfortunately will lead us to abuse others at some point in our lives -- I know I have. But I believe there is a clear distinction between a person who abuses others because they do not fully understand how their behavior is seen by and affects others, and a person who knowingly continues with behavior that is designed to hurt and make others feel put down and cause division and strife in a community. From a legal and administrative perspective having a mental illness cannot justify a poster abusing others and attempting to damage the community they claim to be part of.
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> I'm asking posters on PB for the sake of their own mental health and for the good of the community to not to continue to engage with any poster who is being abusive here. If you see a post from a poster who is known to be trolling the community then the best course of action is to just not read it, or at the very least not reply to such a post until the poster at least acknowledges their behavior. No set of forum rules will ever be enough to stop the abusive behavior pursued by posters who are intent on abusing others -- they will merely find a way to do it that fits inside the rules. I find it to be extremely unfair that people will pursue their own agendas against others who are sick and vulnerable, but that is just how the world is -- all one can do is try to protect oneself and others.
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> The reason I post on PB is that people here are kind, compassionate, fair-minded, always seeking truth, quick to admit wrong, always wanting to learn new things and new viewpoints, always wanting to share their knowledge, always wanting to help others. But I think all of us at this stage of our lives realize that such instincts can be used to hurt us by people who do not see the world the way we do. I cannot provide help and support and education to someone who does not want help and support and education from me and even less so to somebody who attempts to deliberately deny others help and support and education.
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> Maxime was a poster who left here because of what I can only term 'admin drama'. It pains me to think of others who give up PB as a support means because they don't feel a sense of complete safety posting here. We all hurt other posters in some way, violate their trust or privacy, have disagreements, falling outs, fail to see the other side, become too easily triggered and rush to post things we would not say given some thought. But like I said there is a difference between these things and deliberate abuse. And whereas the former things will always happen, abuse is something that should never happen in a place like this.Friends,
When you read the aove post, be not deceived. For it is the poster that writes the post that is posting hate and hatred toward the Jews here. As a Jew here, it is my duty to use my might to stop the hate from being considered to be supportive. For as Mr Hsiung states that he does what will be good for this community as a whole, I say to you that there has never been a community where antisemitism being allowed by the state has made that community "good".
Here is the post by the innitiator of this thread that Mr Hsiung is allowing to stand, allowing the hatred of the centuries against Jews to flame the members here against the Jews and me as a Jew here. But I say to you that the God that I give service and worship to has made with me a covenant that He will never break. And I pity those here that want to stop me from allowing antisemitism to stand here.
Here is a link to a post that the innitiator of this thread posted here that arouses antisemitic feelings and to this day it is not only allowed to stand, but the bystanders have not tried to stop it either.
To see the hatred toward the Jews posted by the member that posted this here:Look at the last full paragraph and see the statement:
[...made to suffer a horrible death by {them}...]
The statement is allowed so others can think of it as being supportive, civil, and will be good for this community as whole. Good for the community as a whole? Do you know who else said that? And you ask me where the antisemitism is here?
Lou
http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/faith/20101230/msgs/1004107.html
poster:Lou Pilder
thread:1035073
URL: http://www.dr-bob.org/babble/admin/20130109/msgs/1035090.html