Posted by detroitpistons on January 29, 2010, at 16:32:54
In reply to Re: DON'T BUY A GUN!!! » detroitpistons, posted by bleauberry on January 29, 2010, at 15:03:29
****I see it here all the time when someone says, "Where's the evidence?" Come on. I read it months ago and I don't remember where. I just got home from work. I got dinner to cook and things to do. Am I really going to spend my entire evening doing a research project on guns to answer somebody's challenge for information? I don't think so. Somebody can do it themselves if it means that much to them. I'm just participating in a discussion of ideas.****
First off, you made a bunch of pretty incredible claims about guns and crime and suicides. The burden of proof is on you, not me. Secondly, you're not "just participating in a discussion of ideas." This is a serious subject, and you're making assumptions and statements that are misleading or false. I'm sorry, but if you're making a wild claim about a serious subject that relates to life and death, then you should either take the time to do some research or you shouldn't post anything at all.
The only time I ever ask anyone to cite their sources or show me evidence, is when someone is making a wild or controversial or poorly supported claim. After I read your info. I immediately thought, "WOW, that is unbelievable," (especially the part about suicides being lower in areas with a more guns, etc) and so I was naturally very interested to find out the source of the information and read it for myself because it was opposite of everything I'd ever read. Anyhow, it doesn't take much research to figure out that guns and depression don't mix and that when people have guns, they are much more likely to commit suicide. I thought that was somewhat common knowledge, and also common sense...
****For every time I am challenged for scientific documentation, the challenger does not offer any of their own. ??? People once in a while will ask, "Where's your proof?" Well, I return the question, "Where's yours?". When in reality, hard proof of anything mostly does not exist.****
Again, the burden of proof isn't on me, but I did post a link to an article about a research study and I posted another link to a research paper. The information is out there. It's all over the place. On the other hand, I can't find anything to support what you're claiming. I'm sorry if I've come across as abrasive, but I want to make sure that this thread is accurate because this is important to me. As you know, my friend just killed himself with a gun, so this subject is especially sensitive to me right now.
****But back to depression, it probably is not a good idea for a badly depressed person to have a gun nearby. They're probably going to do it anyway, but no sense in someone helping them by leaving a gun around.****
So we agree on the first sentence. It's not a good idea for depressed people to have guns around. In your first couple posts though, I thought you were trying to say that it didn't matter.
As far as the "They're probably going to do it anyway" part, we have to agree to disagree on that. There's nothing left to be said. Again, there are so many examples...My Mom would be dead right now if she had a gun the day she tried to take her own life 10 years ago. Today, she's healthy and happy.
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