Posted by bulldog2 on October 25, 2009, at 15:44:29
In reply to Re: This is a rat study!, posted by linkadge on October 25, 2009, at 15:13:50
> I think this is good research because it is at least attempting to look for alternatives to monoamine based approaches.
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> I think it is also good because it casts the depressive illness in a better light.
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> With the stress induced depression theory, depressed patietns are just pathetic wimps who cannot control the stresses of everyday life very well.
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> At least this study says no, there is something more fundamentally wrong with depressed patients than just people succumming to the stresses of everyday life.
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> I'm sure stress, like pain can induce depression.
> But, I still think there is something more fundamentally wrong.
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> I don't know if the finding of increased adrenal weight has been confirmed in other studies.
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> I just know with me, the anxiety and depression are for the most part two separate entities.
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> LinkadgeRegardless of what you think of the study it is still a rat study. Until the results are duplicated in people that is all it is.
As far as to wether it is a disease or a group of symptoms this was my point. Cancer is a called a disease also. But it is turning out to be a cluster of diseases. At this point it doesn't look like there will be a silver bullet that cures all cancers but each cancer may require a separate approach. Depression may turn out to be a cluster of diseases also and many approaches may be required.Some evidence of this is the fact that you said that anxiety has no part in your depression. For me anxiety had a big part and for many it does.
Maybe we agree on one thing. The cause or causes are needed before we find better cures. I don't mean hypothesis I mean proven facts.
That means studies done on people. Rat studies in the majority of cases will not be found true in people wether you like the study or not. Let this scientist now duplicate this study with people and it becomes credible.
I'm not interested in a long debate with you on this. As of today this is a hypothesis done with a group of rodents.You can love this hypothesis all you like but like most rat studies will burn and fizzle away like a broken rocket.
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