Posted by douglass on January 17, 2006, at 9:50:14
In reply to Re: Stablon is anticholinergic? Mildly hallucinogenic, posted by DavidH44 on January 9, 2006, at 11:00:29
hi, I haven't posted in quite a while so most of you wont recognize me.A little history. I'm a viet Nam combat vet(I make the difference between combat vet and vietnam vet because the ones in the rear didn't get the constant day to day trauma besetted on us) and a corpsman(medic) with the Marines.
Today I still have PTSD and major depression. I went almost 20 years before I got help for PTSD and the depression was lifted by prozac but it never really got me out of depression altogether. My VA Pdoc tried me on many fifferent SSRI's and every one had such bad side effects I will not now or ever take another SSRI. I have to admit it got me out of serious vegatative depression, but I was left with anergia, anhedonia, dysthmia, a lack of motivation, not happy but not depressed, just feeling like a lot is still missing.
In1994 I tried a French drug called miniaprine, it's mode of action was mostly dopaminergic with some other modes I forget now, I think nor epinephrine uptake was one but mainly a dopaminergic. It did well with me, I felt human again, motivation, pleasure etc. Most all I was still lacking I got from that drug. It was then I realized I may be dopamine deficient. I told my Pdoc and he agreed with me and we tried some of USA drugs but nothing worked like miniaprine.
I also got in on the last of GHB and that drug, although very impracticle to take a a regular drug for depression, was the most potent anti depressant I've ever taken then and now. I was only on it a few months when it got rescheduled to a CI and CIII for research. It's on the market now as "Oxybate" but very strictly controlled for cataplexy.
I then was on phenalzine then parnate. Parnate was the best AD for me but again the side effects were to great. Not the cheese effect but other things like myeloclonic jerks(a form of seizure you get just before falling to sleep). I stayed on that for a couple of yeare till I found out there was some amineptine available in Argentina. Before that I had heard of it and did some research into it and decided if I ever had a chance I would try some as it sounded like what I needed. In 2002 I sent away to Arg. for 200 tabs of 100mg tab amineptine(survector100). Aftrer about 3-4 days I started to feel a littlejump in my mood. As the days went on, within two weeks it had got to therapeutic levels and 200mg/day seemed right for me. I couldn't believe the difference between amineptine and all the other USA drugs I tried. There's nothing that comes close to it. GHB was the most powerful in it would bring me from depression to a state of exhilaration in a matter of minutes, 15-30, but the regimine was a strange one I won't go into as this isn't about GHB.Miniaprine came as close as any other drug to amineptine. My anhedonia was gone, I actually felt pleasure out of little things, I had psychic and physical energy, I was motivated to do things and finish them, was sociable and enjoyed talking where before I didn't enjoy talking , maybe because the emotional pain was too great to empathize with others, life was good again, I had gotten my life back. I kept sending for 200 tabs averery 3mo. or so not thinking it would be gone like the others did in 1999. I was devastated, went back into depression again and was in such despairI started my world quest for more amineptine. It became my life's endeavour to find another country that still makes and uses it. Brazil was that country. I started to find a pharmacy that would sell it. It took me almost 8 months to find one and I then ordered more and got it. Only that didn't last long. I being rather poor couldn't buy 2000 like this man in Br wanted me to do as he said it may not be around much longer and get some while it's still legal. No way could I afford that and within weeks it too was banned.Now I had heard of 17 more countries left not bowing to the FDA(what interest does the FDA have in other countries selling amineptine, well the politics are long, but the gist of it is money, get the old off patent drugs off market so new expensive ones have to be used). For most depressants amineptine would be their drug of choice and apparently in US there was a large group using it as the chat rooms were full of amineptine off market when it happened in 1999.Almost all european countries stopped using it with the French paving the way.
I still have some from a supply I got from another country before it too stopped making it legally.I don't know whAT i' going to do when I use that last pill.. I know there are a few countries left using it, but won't sell out of country for some reason. Uraguy was one, Paraguay also was one but now doesan't make it any more. All these countries were making it by Servier Co.. main office ifn France and a plant in most other countries or it was made by another drug co. for Servier.Chile was next, peru' I'm guessing that there are only about 5 countries left making it legally, I say legally cause the way the world works, there are corrupt countries that don't enforce the rules and maybe one or more co. are illicitly still making and selling it on the black market, but I don't know that for certain, just intuitive guessing.'My point to all this is if there is any one out there who knows where any can be bought I would like to know about it. You can PM me if you want or if you have some info from past I would be interested.
Amineptine has given me back my life that I lost in the jungles of viet nam and I will do about anything to get some more, even if it means borrowing money to get a good supply.
The only other medicine that would come close to amineptine is amisulpride in low doses, 25-50mg, as at that dose it releases presynaptic dopamine, but as you incfease the dose it starts to do the opposite and inhibit post synaptic dopamine, making it a very good drug for schizophrenia or any psychosis and when neg symptoms become troublesome, lower the dose to 100-200mg and it takes care of them, so you are constantly raising or lowewring the dose depending on how you are doing. At super low dose it's been clinically tested for anhedonia and works every time. I took some for a while when amineptine wasn't available and to my surprise it worked, not as good as amineptine as it has some side effects and because it's a neuroleptic theoretically at that low dose you could get some of the neg cide effects from amisulpride as hyperprolactinamia, tardative dyskinesia, metabolic changes as inselin insenitivity, diabetese, weight gain etc., but as an anhedonic, it did work and I was feeling good on it, not great like amineptine but good. If amineptine is stamped forever gone from tyhe face of the earth, then amisulpride or pramipexzole would be my next drugs of choice, but I don't like the cataplexy pramipexole causes.
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