Posted by Willyee on February 2, 2005, at 23:43:23
In reply to HELP ME - Augment the effect of Parnate, posted by Maxime on February 2, 2005, at 12:11:47
> Clearly I am not meant to be on Nardil. I want to go back to Parnate. How can I augment the effect. I was taking 80-100 mg of it along with 30 mg of Adderall XR.
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> What else can I do or add and at what dosage. I need to get back on Parnate but I have to augment the effect.
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> Please help me. I am suicidal and I need help. I don't want to try Menerix for I fear it will not be strong enough for me. But clearly I cannot stay on Nardil.
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> Anyone who has any references I can look at or anything? My pdoc is open minded. He will let me try anything (within reason).
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> MaximeIf it makes you feel any better im in the same spot,what a tease,the medication works when it wants to,its very frustarting.
I too am looking for something that can help augment on a cosistent basis,until then i have certain things to do augment it well,however there are a few approaches because even in augmentation there is poop out.For fyi purposes heres some of the things i use to get parnate to be effective.
- Dose curving,this is dangerous though cause you dont want to end up using too much and running out early so only try this if you have adequate supply.but what works at times,is taking a large dose approx 40 mg,if you can tolerate that,then taking smaller ones through the day in short spurts,usualy this will work enough to build it up in your system,and is for me more effective then taking two large doses,one morning one afternoon,instead i take as i said the larger one first thing,maybe an hour later i take a 10 mg,and i take notice on how i feel,its very appearent when you hit a therputic dose,most times this ends up for me being 90-100 mg.
- Second when i first added vivarin 200 mg caffiene to parnate i had a short period of uncorfotablitlity,then whan it synergized so well.I believe i had a straight week of uninterupted consistency.This too only works partialy now,in fact now i can usualy fall asleep upon taking a vivarin tab,is the body wierd or what.
- I have also noticed grapejuice,for me in the form of jelly has been helping a lot latly,for whatever reason the jelly is noticable wheras juice isnt.
- Then of course you have adding a sedative,at times if i feel maniac ill take klonopin which at first negativitly impacts parnate,however the next day parnate seems more effective.- Lopressor a beta blocker sometimes works as well,and very rarly l-theanine an amino acid that raises both gaba and dopamine blood levels also has helped.
- Last,and this is not for everyone is possably dangerous,at times kava kava has worked very very well with parnate,unfrotunatly since the kava pull there are few good brands,in the past however it was very very effective combo.
For me adding a stimulant to parnate actualy creates more times a sleepy feeling,where as adding a sedative to it "can" if the dose is just right clash and make you high,and not in a good way,nuerontion was for me infamous for this,i was a blabbering mess.Kava is neiter a pure sedative or stimulant,i miss having it as an option.
These are my options,i of course rotate them,i try to listen to my body and decide what will benifit the most,they have all at one point of time worked great,and now joined parnate in poop out central,so even these augment stratergies are a hit or miss.
My belief is personaly our bodys are smarter then we give credit for,they become aware of invading unatural substance and fight it,how long something works just depends on how quickly your body catches on that you manipulating its normal process.
When i first added vivarin to parnate it was an icredable anti depressant effect,i thought i was in the clear,now its just another damn pill.Good luck and pls if anyone does have any ideas share them,this medication is begging for a friend to help it along better/we just have to find one it will play nice with.
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