Posted by cybercafe on December 6, 2004, at 18:03:25
In reply to Re: MAOi's vs Wellbutrin + SSRI... Vitex » cybercafe, posted by Optimist on December 5, 2004, at 6:28:44
> Cybercafe,
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> Do you take Ritalin for ADD/ADHD symptoms or more for energy/motivation?I take it for what I consider to be really bad ADHD.
> And do you find Parnate offers much of stimulant effect in general? I'm currently on a lot of stimulating meds, and was wondering if I may need additions to the Parnate if I may go on it.
Yeah, even at a low dose (and on a lot of meds I've tried high dosages), I find it offers a substantial stimulant effect. Really good for me. Probably not good for someone with insomnia :)
> Currently I have 100% remission of my depression/anxiety symptoms but I know it will be short lived. The dopamine agonist Vitex that I'm on seems to be the best thing I've ever taken but it always seems shortlived. That seems to be common I know with a lot of pro-dopamine drugs. It constantly needs to be cycled.Yeah.... I tried just taking ritalin by itself but the antidepressant effects weren't that great (after the first week anyway) and very short lived.
> Does Parnate have much of a pro-dopamine effect by itself? I've heard it does have some but I'm not sure to what magnitude.
I'm not sure how to measure this... but it definately seems to increase energy, decrease need for sleep, increase libido, etc
But at the same time... it seems a lot less likely to induce mania than SSRIs/Effexor and I believed mania to be somehow related to dopamine receptors (D2 in mesocortical regions??)
> Compared to the 450mg of wellbutrin and 5mg of Adderall XR I take every day the Vitex is extremely more robust in the pro-dopamine department. I'd love to be able to find something that could work just as well but last on a more permanent basis.
Yeah I hear you, totally. It was no fun when I tried out just ritalin (no AD) and was depressed when I woke up in the morning. Then finally took ritalin SR and was ok (not great, but okay) for 3 hours. Then took another and had another 3 hours without depression. Then depressed (rebound was hell) for rest of the day!
Havn't seen a pdoc in about a year, but the one I did see (who was quite knowledgable) told me to stay away from amphetamines (Dexedrine, Adderall) as anything more "potent" (reversing uptake transporter?) than ritalin would cause psychosis. Then again, he also told me that if I took ritalin without an antipsychotic I would go psychotic and so far that has not been the case.
> Thanks a lot in advance. Your help is very much appreciated.No problem dude... sorry if I don't log in as often as i used to. Used to log in 20 times a day, now I log in maybe once a month... too busy chasing wealth, sports, women, etc etc !
Good luck and be well!
Just when you've given up you might find the answer is just around the corner!
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