Posted by Ame Sans Vie on August 9, 2003, at 23:14:39
In reply to Stimulant help??, posted by The Shadow on August 9, 2003, at 0:51:58
> Need stimulant help...I am having sri apathy,very lethargic,other symptoms etc.i dont want to become addicted and would like anyone with experience with these 3....
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> dexadrine,desoxyn,ritalin.I have tried ritalin and desoxyn they both feel the same to me but I am confused on what to stick with.
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> 1-What's the most addictive and at what doses?My position on the "addictiveness" of these drugs is the same as Viridis'. From what I understand, though, Ritalin is the one most often abused (usually by school kids though, who like to crush it and snort it, which provides a high very similar to cocaine).
> 2-Can you use any of these on an as needed basis?
Certainly -- if you can get away with only taking them as-needed, then you can help avoid development of tolerance.
> 3-I know dexadrine is dextro and Desoxyn is Meth,what does this mean in the difference in amphetamine structure?
As you said, Dexedrine is dextroamphetamine (chemical name: d-alpha-methylphenethylamine or d-desoxy-nor-ephedrine). Desoxyn is not just methamphetamine, but actually dextromethamphetamine, (chemical name: d-N,alpha-dimethylphenethylamine or d-desoxyephedrine [this translates to 'right-handed ephedrine, minus an oxygen]). Interestingly enough, the active ingredient in Vicks Inhalers is l-desoxyephedrine, aka levomethamphetamine. There are plenty of recipes on the net that describe methods of making "meth" from Vicks Inhalers, which I find pretty funny. Though it would be possible with the proper equipment, knowledge, and a lot of time on one's hands to change the chirality of l-meth to turn it into d-meth through oxidization and reamination, anyone with the chemical know-how this requires probably wouldn't be synthesizing d-meth from Vicks Inhalers.
Molecularly, the difference between d-amp and d-meth is the addition of a methyl group (CH3) to the amino group sticking off the middle carbon atom in the chain. Also interesting to note is that ephedrine differs from methamphetamine only by the addition of an alpha-hydroxy group (OH). Methylphenidate (Ritalin), on the other hand, bears no resemblance to any of these chemicals.
Here are some links to 2-d molecular images of these drugs:
Amphetamine--
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/amphetamines/images/archive/amphetamine_2d.gifMethamphetamine--
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/meth/images/archive/methamphetamine_2d.jpgMethylphenidate--
http://www.erowid.org/pharms/methylphenidate/images/archive/methylphenidate_2d.gifEphedrine--
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ephedrine/images/archive/ephedrine_2d.gif> 4-Will I become addicted no matter what?
Once again, as Viridis said, dependence is likely -- if you take phenethylamine stimulants every day. Addiction is a whole other animal though.
With as-needed use, you should be safe from developing either dependence or significant tolerance.
poster:Ame Sans Vie
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