Posted by don_bristol on July 29, 2003, at 9:39:04
In reply to My case for Testostorone(long)...., posted by john Henry on July 28, 2003, at 6:06:13
> Hello,
> I want to make a case for testosterone in combating
> depression,panic and dp/dr symptoms.
>
> My age:30
> Diagnosis:panic disorder/depression/social phobia
> Meds:
> Zoloft
> klonopin
> remeron
>
> Steroids most recently used:
> 600 mgs weekly test cypionate
> 500 mgs weekly deca-durabolin
> 50 mgs daily Proviron-- snip --
>
> If there are any questions anyone has feel free to ask.......
>John Henry, I am very interested in what you write. I am 47, live in the UK and I am not a body builder. In fact I am pleased enough with my musculature and do only light exercise. My sex drive is "middling" to low.
I have low normal testosterone and my mood is generally low (dysthymic). I started on testosterone specifically for MOOD. Not for muscles. Not for sex.
I saw an endocrinologist to try and get me sorted out. All the testosterone he has given me has been official. Testosterone definitely helped my mood. Only testosterone and an MAOI, Moclobemide, will help me out of my low mood and apathy. But I have a problem to keep taking testosterone.
I have a question for you. But first let me describe a bit for you and for anyone else who is interested what my testosterone background is.
My endocrinologist thinks there are two unusual factors at play in me. FIRSTLY I vary in testosterone levels more than average throughout the day. The highest levels are in the morning (I am low-normal at that time) and he suggests that by late afternoon I am lower than most men. SECONDLY I convert excess testosterone to estrogen very easily. So any supplementary testosterone turns into estrogen and we can blocking this conversion with Arimidex and/or Tamoxifen.
We also check for SHBG in case there is too much of it mopping up the testosterone but SHBG levels are normal.
The actual cause of my low testosterone is partly linked to the excess estrogen because the estrogen is causing my body to think I have enough testosterone and so my body does not call for more. In endocrinological terms my LH and FSH levels are low indicating that my body does not want more testosterone to be produced.
I have taken testosterone by patches (bad allergic reaction), by injection (Primoteston = testosterone enanthate) and by implant (probably still not available in the US). All delivery systems are "messy" and inconvenient. The best was probably the implant but it involves a deep deposit of material every six months and the sutures need time to heal.
I saw my endocrinologist a few weeks ago and was hoping that Arimidex (probably without the Tamoxifen) would be enough to prevent the natural levels of my testosterone converting to estrogen. i can probably get to about the 60th percentile of the normal reference range (i.i.e.. just a bit below average).
However he suggested we try either Nandrolone (Deca-Durobolin) or testosterone gel. I went for the gel because the Nandrolone involved injections and I find them a bit awkward - and the testosterone peaks and then drops too much with injections.
Here are my questions.
(1) Do you think the Nandrolone would have been a good option for me? My endocrinologist said it was a good form of testosterone because it didn't convert easily.
(2) Dose Nandrolone have any more medical problems with it than testosterone does?
(3) How frequently would one have to take Nandrolone?
Remember that I am only interested in mood improvement. I am not interested in bigger muscles. The extra sex drive would be nice but that is not my motive.
I would welcome any comments from you or anyone else who can advise. Please feel free to contact me via email if you prefer. My email link to this message works or use this: davidmaclean AT usa-net DOT fsnet DOT co DOT uk.
Thanks.
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