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Posted by Rzip on October 25, 2000, at 21:02:27
Your thoughts/opinions on the subject, please.
Posted by shar on October 25, 2000, at 21:38:16
In reply to Academic achievements, posted by Rzip on October 25, 2000, at 21:02:27
I think academic achievements may be a source of personal pride at doing well, a means to an end, and a show of the degree of perseverence one has. I do not think academic achievements put one on a higher level than others; only that one knows more about certain topics.
Academics are related to one kind of intelligence, or one type of skill set. Curious people (who come in all shapes and sizes and talents) are I think, true learners, and keep learning in or out of academic settings, and find the world a place full of wonder that can catch their attention in a heartbeat, so one sees a wonder for a heartbeat--or maybe sometimes longer.
Shar
> Your thoughts/opinions on the subject, please.
Posted by Ted on October 25, 2000, at 23:12:36
In reply to Academic achievements, posted by Rzip on October 25, 2000, at 21:02:27
> Your thoughts/opinions on the subject, please.
As an engineer (BSEE, working as embedded SWE), I can say with confidence that academic achievements only show the patience and perseverence of the individual. The knowledge of many of my university engineering professors was pathetic (out of date by 10-20 years, which is a LONG time in electronics). I have many coworkers who are self-taught and *excellent* engineers. In some fields it is a necessity, but in mine, it is only a line on the bottom of the resume. Likewise, I have worked with *many* PhDs who couldn't find their own ass with both hands.
It depends on the field of study and the individual. As shar said, if you are successful, it gives the feeling of achievement, but it sure didn't help my bipolar disorder any, and I had lots of academic achievements. :-)
Ted
Posted by Rzip on October 26, 2000, at 20:59:10
In reply to Academic achievements, posted by Rzip on October 25, 2000, at 21:02:27
> I know that you guys think academics pales in comparison to the mental problems and issues on this board. However, the fact of the matter is that my depression is linearly, very linearly correlated with my midterms and such. Henceforth, I always do very badly on the tests (Grade:C/C-). As you guys might remember, midterms are all that count for a course in college. So please help...
- Loss of Concentration (my signature)
Posted by laural on October 27, 2000, at 10:56:32
In reply to Re: Academic achievements, posted by Rzip on October 26, 2000, at 20:59:10
> > I know that you guys think academics pales in comparison to the mental problems and issues on this board. However, the fact of the matter is that my depression is linearly, very linearly correlated with my midterms and such. Henceforth, I always do very badly on the tests (Grade:C/C-). As you guys might remember, midterms are all that count for a course in college. So please help...
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> - Loss of Concentration (my signature)
Rzip-talk to your doc about this loss of concentration and your obsession with grades. i have felt the same way, i went to a very intense college, and its easy to not have perspective at this age and in this environment. i guess how i got past my own feelings was to talk to my mom. she made me realize that my success and failure as a person did not depend on the grades i made in college. real success is spiritual growth and development of yourself. and very sucessful people (work-wise) make c's in school. i havn't given up on school, although my goals have changed drastically. a window will always open, somewhere. you just have to recognize it. be flexible. talk to your doc. laural
Posted by Lexie on October 27, 2000, at 15:58:31
In reply to Re: Academic achievements, posted by Rzip on October 26, 2000, at 20:59:10
> > I know that you guys think academics pales in comparison to the mental problems and issues on this board. However, the fact of the matter is that my depression is linearly, very linearly correlated with my midterms and such. Henceforth, I always do very badly on the tests (Grade:C/C-). As you guys might remember, midterms are all that count for a course in college. So please help...
> I didn't know what you were asking me on the other board. I think academics are important but I think you should strive to do your best and leave it at that. Be happy with your best.
Next time you get ready for mid terms post and let me know, I will be in the cheering section. But don't stress out, Just do your best. Lexie
Posted by noa on October 27, 2000, at 16:22:26
In reply to Re: Academic achievements, posted by shar on October 25, 2000, at 21:38:16
I enjoyed academic endeavors a whole lot more when I went to grad school after I had been out working for about 6 years! What a difference from my college days, when I was not the driver of my own vehicle, the author of my own script, etc. etc.
Now, ten years after my last academic experience, I imagine I would enjoy college a lot more now.
Posted by noa on October 27, 2000, at 16:24:31
In reply to Re: Academic achievements, posted by Lexie on October 27, 2000, at 15:58:31
When I was in college, I was the queen of procrastination--you should have seen the things I cooked up to occupy my time instead of studying!
Posted by Cass on October 27, 2000, at 16:49:30
In reply to Academic achievements, posted by Rzip on October 25, 2000, at 21:02:27
> Your thoughts/opinions on the subject, please.
Our society has a problem with equating academic achievement to good moral/ethical character. The two do not necessarily have anything to do with each other. I think some people with a lot of education and high job status are almost above the law, which is why there is so much corruption and social injustice in our society. People need to use education in a POSITIVE way. People need to be educated enough to recognize corruption. They also need to have the courage to speak up about corruption, and they should use their own education ethically and not as an excuse to be amoral snobs.
Posted by ksvt on October 27, 2000, at 22:23:55
In reply to Re: Academic achievements » Rzip, posted by Cass on October 27, 2000, at 16:49:30
When i got out into the work place, I was somewhat sobered by the realization that I really didn't know where most of the people who were successful at what they did went to school, or how they did when they were in school. All of these factors seemed so important when I was trying to get into college and then grad school. Sometimes I think education is wasted a bit on the young because they're all about achievement and not about learninng. If the achievement is an important reward for your hard work, then that's fine, but it's pretty irrelevant as an end in itself. Don't ignore or undervalue the other important things about you. Just the humble opinion of someone who now wishes she had been much less achievement oriented in her comparative youth. ksvt
> > Your thoughts/opinions on the subject, please.
>
> Our society has a problem with equating academic achievement to good moral/ethical character. The two do not necessarily have anything to do with each other. I think some people with a lot of education and high job status are almost above the law, which is why there is so much corruption and social injustice in our society. People need to use education in a POSITIVE way. People need to be educated enough to recognize corruption. They also need to have the courage to speak up about corruption, and they should use their own education ethically and not as an excuse to be amoral snobs.
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