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Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 16:46:51
so... i don't really know anything about this one, either.
retaliation for the twin towers... or something like that. because the people needed something to... do... otherwise there would have been all kinds of riots back home, i suppose. because the united states is... well... fragile. with respect to how united it is. that's why so much goes into the propaganda of how the united states stands in such solidarity. nationalism. trying to keep it together. in a. uh. relatively concrete. emotion stirring... uh... kind of a way. an energy to be funneled into... productivity. if all goes well.
anyhoo...
so seems that the US knew it should really get out of there, for quite a while. but cries from people about how bad things would be if they were to leave and please stay and help us... or whatever. so... things dragged out. and getting the solidiers and the like out of there was never going to be easy. the've been in there for 20 years. that's enough time for people deployed over there to... have families over there. become really quite properly integrated. have kids. etc.
nzl wasn't going to do anything... so we've been told that we will take refugees. people deemed to have been developed a way of life dependent on the nzl military presence over there. and no, we won't be taking young guys wanting to abandon their families over there so they can start life anew someplace else... they bring their families. but not their elderly dependents. they can die in afganastan. we won't want 'em. noppers. but we will happily take the children. of course. to feed to our public schools.
anyway... our refugees will be processed overseas. in australia, i guess. and they'll give us the 'high value' workers that we want so desperately (but won't pay a proper wage to) the tractor drivers and the cleaners etc.
of course if they are independently wealthy then they can become orthopdedic surgeons or whatever and bang ill-fitting nails and screws and the like into peoples bones in the name of 'helping'. leave them there perminenetly. the shrapnel of the injury they caused. so very very very much worse than the actual injury (that would have healed itself much better without their intervention at all most likely). that seems to be the thing of it. everyone is agreed that life preserving care in our hospitals means a fair few need to not show up to work tomorrow.
i imagine it was part of the propaganda thing... about how bad the taliban is or was. i'm sure there are horror stories.
want to hear some horror stories of life in new zealand? I can share quite a few...
i'm sure everywhere has got some.
but the men in the photographs had trimmed beards. and the bible has quite a few prohibitions that are mostly (but always) interpreted as things that need not be practiced today...
i imagine people are afraid... 20 years.. you have adults in their mid-twenties who don't remember... and all the stories they've been told.
and despite all the stories that they've been told...
and despite all the power and force of the USA military...
the taliban swiftly moved to power as the troops announced they were getting out.
so...
that sort of tells you what the people want.
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it is progress. for the west.
progress in tolerance.
wearing face masks in public was a big deal.
the computers being able to id people with face masks was a big deal.
yeah.
because there are all kinds of reasons and motivations for covering people's faces.
allowing athletes to wear. uh. clothes.
the females.i saw women's pictures being whitewashed...
pictures of afgani women wearing western bridal gowns.
that's not quite a usa flag... but close...___
colonialism... bringing the people democracy (whether they want it or not)...
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nzl is quite the war-torn land.
it is in-fighting. a constant and continual fighting.
everyone is forced to fight
all the time.
fighting fighting fighting fighting fighting
for the basic needs.food.
heat.
shelter.then...
meaningful work?
being paid for the work you have done?
any kind of recognitiion or acknowledgement at all for the work you have done?
processing the stuff? you know... processing the forms.. processing the applications... processing the completions...anything? any of the products of civilisation?
anything?
anything?
anything at all?fair pay for fair work?
anything? anything at all?
our people aren't allowed an education anymore.
it's a scramble where the only way to 'succeed' in it appears to be to cheat.
pay to win.
the cheaters are easily or readily identified.
but the government has decided or determined to make criminals of all of us.
so that the people of nzl will be branded or marked or maimed so as to be undesirable to any other people of the world.
so they will be able to keep slaves. hostages. indefinately.
cheap or free workers.who wants to 'live the dream' come and be a cleaner in nzl?
drive a tractor?
no?
not such a desirable life after all.
whoda thunk.
our refugees are being processed overseas. likely by australia. they'll likely send the ones they deem to high a security risk to keep in australia but the ones who gave up really rather a lot to support or help the australisan troops. so they'll send them here.
where they will never be able to leave.
i guess that's the grand plan of detention camp island and the like.
since the government refuses to do any of the most basic of things to help or protect it's people
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Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 16:53:41
In reply to afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 16:46:51
so what happens in nzl is you have some chief executive likely paid half a million per year to basically decide which medications will be fully funded by pharmac (free for new zeealanders) and which medications will be not funded by pharmac such that people need to pay full price for the medications or (likely) not have the medications at all.
i don't think we train people to tell people about medications that are not pharmac funded. that is to say i understand it is an ethics requirement in the USA to tell people what treatment options there are independnently of the judgements that you make about whether they can have those treatments or not, independnently of what you believe about the cost of those treatments... because, you know, you are not god.
anyway... in new zealand the chief executive decides which will be fully funded and which won't be funded at all.
they say that it's complicated and because of privacy and commercial sensitivity etc etc they can't explain their decisions in a coherrent way... and it's all top secret hush hush.
and now they've started blaming the cleaners. they say they have these meetings and any pharmac employee can go (But nobody else) and then the cheif executive (who doesn't attend half the meetings) makes decisions.
the implication is that the ce decides who to hire (and who to fire) and they surround themselves with highly educated quality opinions for the right reasons...
or... no...
maybe they delegated that decision to the cleaner?
or...
maybe the drug company gave them a free pen?
or half a million?
or something something.
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how hard is it to look at places doing things a little bit better and go 'why can't we follow along just a little'
?
i don't understand why NZL can't try and bulk bargian or purchase with auastralia.
and why they can't part fund more medication s(like australia does).
then they get some idea, too, how whether people will pay (contribute) towarsd medications. if they value them.
apparently nononononononono that wouldn't be fair, at all.
nzl workers aren't paid like their austrlaian counterparts. nzl workers aren'te educated like their australian counterparts they cannot be allowed to make their own purchasing decisions. pharmac must pay the ce half a million per year to delegate to the cleaner because they can't justify the lunatic decision making process that is our medication funding. in nzl.
all the work that goes into ensuring the people of nzl do not have access to medicines.
quite phenomenal.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:13:11
In reply to pharmac negotiation, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 16:53:41
and i don't know how much the union leaders get paid. the nurses union and the like. i imagine they get paid more (an increase in their own power) the more conflict there is between the district health boards and the employees. or between the ministry and the employees. i imagine that sowing the seeds of conflict and fanning the flames of conflict is quite the... lucrative... thing to do. and quite psychologically satisfying to a certain personality type that thrives on dramas and the like.
as is usual, the people who 'get in there and take' those kinds of jobs are often motivated or driven by what the job can do for them and not by what it is that they can do for the job.
apparently it's before a judge. to say what 'safe staffing levels are'. because our levels of staffing are much lower than the levels of staffing deemed safe in every developed nation.
i remember reading a UN report that stated that the biggest thing preventing people from having access to medical care was developed nations poaching staff from developing nations.
like new zealand.
apparently we are the supposedly developed nation with the highest number or percentage or what have you of foreign trained nurses.
we are the second highest with foreign trained doctors.
how does that go?
we get people from developing nations to pay a bunch of money into our education system. if they do it from early enough (e.g., primary school) they may be able to become residents and buy their way into tertiary training as well...
but also when it comes to hiring... we cry about how we don't have enoguh skilled workers (while refusing to train and graduate our own) then we only hire migrants on a temporary basis. we over-work them. burn them out. they come believing they will be able to apply to specialist training programmes. but we just work them to death in the hospitals without letting them into specialst training programmes.
or... how much of your salary do you hand the specialist training programmes over how many years? you apply... where each application costs you.... and you study for hte exams. do you? you need to enrol in a university course to 'help' you study for the exams -- do you? do you need to pay for some extra tutoring? do you need to pay someone to give you the answers?
or do you study from Big Robbins? Do you memorise Last's anatomy? Really? Do you? That's how you study for surgery? Really? You mean to tell me that the people currently training to be surgeons in NZL did well on their test of Last's anatomy?
Really?
Really really?
Really really really really really?
Because it's...
Unlearnable.
And then there's 'first aid for the usmle'
and what the f*ck is wrong with us.
Oh yeah. our librabry doesn't buy that book, anymore.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:17:10
In reply to Re: pharmac negotiation, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:13:11
it is just a f*ck*ng farce.
farcicle farce farce farce.
the lengths we go to to ensure that the people do not have access to timely quality medical care.
the lengths we go to to ensure that one incompetent idiotic imbecel hellbent on making things worse collects up all the money and get to be tyrant of a bunch of other people. keeping things squabbling and bitching and moaning and bickering and infighting and prventing and prohibiting and just...
nothing
nada
zip
zilch
zero.
there is nothing here.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:21:54
In reply to Re: pharmac negotiation, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:17:10
WHERE IS MY DEGREE?
FOR THE ONE YEAR OF WORK I DID IN 2018?
WHERE IS IT?
WHERE IS MY ENROLMELNT IN MEDICINE?
YOU WERE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW YOUR HIGHLY OBJECTIVE AND FAIR SELECTION ALGORITHM!!!
I HAD AN INTERVIEW SCORE (that you didn't bother to fudge because you thought i was intellectually handicapped)
I HAD A UMAT / UCAT SCORE
I HAD A GPA
AND THEY REFUSED TO PUT THE NUMBERS INTO THEIR F*CK*NG SYSTEM AND SAY WHAT MY RANK ORDER SCORE WAS
'NONONONONONONONOOOOOO YOU CAN"T MAKE US!! YOUR GRADES DON'T COUNT'
and, with that, the whole system imploded. exposed itself for the completely corrup pile of crap that it actually is.
they refuse to train locals.
they are profiteering from slave labor of migrant workers.
close the borders.
time for evacuating the people out.
there's nobody home with the leadership.
we don't appear to have a judiciary. how can it possibly take so long for things to work through the courts.
teh judiciary refuses to find in the interests of natural justice.
there's nobody home.
there's nothing here.
what a f*ck*ng farce.
what a f*ck*ng sh*t show.
cry cry cry for vaccine hand-outs.
the Covid comes and...
we have had years to prepae.
we could have trained a workforce in the time there was to prepare.
too many idiots hoarding too much money
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
In reply to Re: pharmac negotiation, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:21:54
it is curious what our leaders have to say about Afganistan.
Helen Clarke pretends to care about bringing democracy to the people of Afganistan (while caring nothing for how the people from NZL do not have democracy because the adminsitration never f*ck*ng changes).
He cry cry cries about how things will be worse for women in Afganistan under the Taliban. She was leader of this country when the UN was telling her that we had the highest rates of child abuse in the developed world. Do someting about the child abuse. Do something about the domestic violence.
Never mind about what OTHER people are up to on the other side of the world. Worry about what is going on right under your own f*ck*ng nose in your own f*ck*ng house.
Judith Collins says the Taliban is a death cult.
Well, Winston Peters said Taiwan should go home to its master.
So, you know.
You can see why they need to pay half a mill to all the workers of the 'think-tank' behind NZL politics.
Right?
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:34:08
In reply to afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
they are required to enrol me in the degree.
they are required to honor and uphold the f*ck*ng contract.
they are required to hire people capable of teaching.
they are required to provide conditions such that they are capable of teaching.
(that included adequate assessment conditions so that people can work to international standards. not local standards of 'we force you to plagarise and commit atrocities on innocents so you will be branded as undesirable to any developed nation otherwise we will fail you out of your new zealand universities degree'.)else...
detention camp island.
that's all this country is.
because it refuses to allow it's people to get an education.
it refuses to uphold the most basic of human rights.
it does not honor it's contracts.
good people (good nations) cannot do business with new zealand.
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Apparently last tiem the taliban came things were initially good...
they did something about corruption.
they provided physical safety or security.
that enabled good business to thrive.
--
but then... something was off with the balance of power.
and things were too... strict. too restrictive on the people.---
nzl needs to do sometihng about corruption and internal security.
the number of people being smashed in the back of the head blindsided.
the police don't prosecute even when there is security camera footage of the offenders.
the judges don't prosecute. they give them 'home detention'.new zealand doesn't.
so the whole island is quarantined. do not travel. cannot do business.
))))
want to visit new zealand?
you can get smashed in the back of a head or blown up in a volcano eruption...
and then you will get to experience the medical workforce first hand.
the cheapest doctors in the world (tehy pay us we don't pay tehm)
all for othe privaledge of doing whatever they want to you -- with impunity.
then they get to tell the future generations all the stories of their atrocities... 'the things yuo can do with impunity if you pay me enough and i choose you oh very special child made in my image'
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:42:48
In reply to they are required to train me., posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:34:08
we don't appear to have doctors, in other words.
or hospitals.just detention camps.
the universities... not processing enrolments or completions.
detention camps again.
new zealand: there is nothing here. not so far as i can see...
the prisons are not detention camps.
the prisons are training grounds for the gangs of new zealand.
they were places where people trained for teh mongrel mob, primarily.. but there were a few other gangs too. black power. i don't think i am thinking of pacifica -- that's something else... the black power used to be the rival gang to the mongrel mob. in a 'team sports' sort of a rival way, i think. more than anything. not entirely sure. then there the outcasts. the skinheads. they were the little white boys who used to go about in groups and get a bit stabby stabby. because they were afraid of the bigger presence of the other guys... so fear... but that made them more... unpredicatable... they were the only ones with access to cocaine... but that was some time ago...
anyway... the prisons are where the kids go when they are wanting to earn tehir patch into a gang. it's like... a coming out ceremony or ritual. and now you are a man. or whatever. having done some time in prison. maybe the idea is ... now they know you won't narc on them for less prison time or whatever. i don't know... in pracatice...
in practice it means that our prisons are 'play school' types of environments for training gangs. you know. the people who are to administrate and manage the prostituion and drugs. their workforce. like summer camp.
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that's why us having to imprison that terrorist was a big deal. we needed to build an actual prison.
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australia has been deporting people... nzl citizens who have been in australi a for a very long time.
i guess australia got to training them.
now australia is sending them back to new zealand. yes.
and they are going into the prisons. and they have opiates from tasmania... and they have big boy guns.
and it's creating a few problems. more than a few.
it's not play school in the prisons anymore.
or in the streets.
people being blindsided.
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come in new zealand!! get witht eh developed world programme!!! come in new zealand!!!
you are required to train me.
hurry up
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:56:58
In reply to Re: they are required to train me., posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:42:48
and they wont' do it.
they refuse to train workers.
they refuse to give qualifications to people who have met the requirements of training.
they refuse to publicly advertise jobs.
they refuse to hire the best person fro the job (they re-package jobs as being requirements of a training program that is then to be completed before you can apply for a job that doesn't exist becuase it is part of a training program...
that they don't advertise
that they don't pay anybody to do
there's nothing.
nothing.
nada.
zip.
zilch.
zero.
there's nothing here.
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where are all the theses? all the graduate research outputs of the university?
all the one-year full time theses? where are those? how many years did how many people slave to produce one one-year full time thesis?
and where are they?
where are the three-year full time theses? where are those? how many years did how many people slave to produce one three-year full time thesis?
and where oh where does all the money go??
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 17:59:11
In reply to afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
Just private schoolboys from the looks of it.
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:00:33
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 17:59:11
It may have been a statement about who we are.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 18:00:53
In reply to Re: they are required to train me., posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:56:58
and where are the research outputs of your researchers?
where are the journals?
hidden behind pay-walls so that the people don't notice that there is no research output of the university.
i mean there are webpages of 'stuff' (that was brought for $1) where people read 'articles' by 'journalists' -- right?
read 'academic articles' by 'researchers' -- right?
there's a real high quality level of 'debate' -- right?
so des gorman can tell us what the medical school thinks.
and the new zealander of the year can tell us when she immigrated to nzl via england from south africa
etc...
they are going to get rid of 'english' says an australian. they are going to rebrand it 'language arts'. then they will replace 'english' with wheiorheughjfkf. and then our official language will become weiorhekgjhfhjkgj and all the laws will be written in ieryeighjfdkghsdilfjk and we will get to processing your documents in weireighfjkhdkl and ieryeighjfkj will process your documents and ridireoikghfk. riewhirkgh kdhriehtgjfdh kljriwoekjhfjkdfhj lkdjriehjkdhdlkrjl ierhrekjhfgjdkfhljaksdj
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:07:11
In reply to afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 16, 2021, at 17:26:08
>Judith Collins says the Taliban is a death cult.
No shortage of them around.
Perhaps ISIS is the US Foreign Legion.
Posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 19:43:55
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:07:11
The last part has been overtaken by events, but the first two thirds is well worth it.
Posted by beckett2 on August 17, 2021, at 15:36:32
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 16, 2021, at 18:00:33
> It may have been a statement about who we are.
American men and Australian men are very similar on the battlefield. There is a high percentage anti social acting out.
An abandoned humvee thing with a Punisher symbol on the side. Casual cruelty.
John Bolton has the temerity to appear on camera.
I'm going out for a very long walk.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by beckett2 on August 17, 2021, at 15:36:32
> American men and Australian men are very similar on the battlefield. There is a high percentage anti social acting out.I would suppose that men, the world over, are very similar on the battlefield. with there being a high percentage anti social acting out.
That's why we send them to someplace else. I would imagine.
Leave us all your worldly goods and go die someplace else. Thanks very much. Very honorable you are. Etc etc.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:33:22
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
I mean, I would suppose that's why Helen Clarke (former Prime Minister of New Zealand) feels it's a moral imperative to bring democracy to the people of Afghanistan -- rather than bringing democracy to the people of New Zealand.
I couldn't tell if the people of Afghanistan were begging to be on the repatriation flights... Or if they were shaking their fists at them on their way out.
I wonder about the people who are being processed as 'refugees' from there. I wonder what their ties are etc. If it is the women and children dependents of the soldiers... Or what... Quite what is going on with that.
I would imagine those with the best cases are those who the soldiers were happy to flee from. They might well have families back home...
I don't know. I imagine it is more about that than about carpenters and cleaners.
I would also imagine that getting a bunch of Afghanistan women and children out...
Well...
I keep thinking about how it's in the news all the time about some 'school' of girls being taken hostage by armed men in South America. Nigeria or wherever. For a ransom to be paid by their parents for their return to the school, apparently.
Why would the parents send their kids to those kinds of schools? It doesn't make any sense at all...
When they say women of age 10 cannot go to 'school' anymore... I wonder what kinds of schools they had in mind.
Hard to know.
We don't have schools anymore.
We don't grade the work anymore.
Not by international standards. It's what keeps our GDP so low.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:37:49
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
It just didn't seem very diplomatic of Judith Collins.
Why does the Western World have such a very hard time understanding that the Prime Minister voluntarily left the country. He didn't want to be Prime Minister anymore. He only wanted to be Prime Minister because of the continued hand-outs of the USA government.
Biden went on about all the money the USA poured into Afganastan. Giving them a air force. But the Afganastan troops were...
Mercenaries.
That's what you call people who fight for the highest bidder? Right? And then when the money stops and people...
Fight for what they believe in.
Or flee.
They chose to flee.
So.
What you going to do?
I think Biden is being the 'bigger man' (not saying that anybody else is not as big as him). I mean to say I think he is being 'big'. He is doing the right thing. There never was a good time to withdraw the troops. The best time likely was promptly after they got Bin Laden.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:39:09
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:37:49
And anyone who thinks otherwise... Well... Trump is trumpeting otherwise if you need someone to validate that perspective.
Posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 16:08:52
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 17, 2021, at 22:26:33
>
> That's why we send them to someplace else. I would imagine.
>Then there are the people who do not fight themselves but send others to do the dirty work.
There is book, Blood Meridian, a fictionalized account of the 'opening' of the southwest to the US. It tells me all I ever needed to know of what psychopaths can get up to when free of the constraint.
People I know with family in Mexico now fly rather than drive to avoid cartels on the roads. It's a shame.
Posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 19:38:56
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 16:08:52
Yay for the war on drugs.
Posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 21:37:44
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 19:38:56
> Yay for the war on drugs.
We like our wars.
Posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 23:04:51
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by beckett2 on August 18, 2021, at 21:37:44
Peter Linebaugh was saying that the Louisiana Purchase gave Napoleon the money for his fleet to put down the slave rebellion in Haiti. I love our propaganda.
Posted by alexandra_k on August 21, 2021, at 22:51:11
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by sigismund on August 18, 2021, at 23:04:51
i hear they are blaming sydney for giving delta to new zealand. aw. that's not very fair leaders of sydney. you forgot to give many sydney-siders a reason to live. and now you chasitise them for not wanting to help you with your future.
Posted by sigismund on August 22, 2021, at 16:26:14
In reply to Re: afganastan, posted by alexandra_k on August 21, 2021, at 22:51:11
They were quick to send in the mounted police there.
The federal government wasted its golden opportunity by being too clever by half and too rude to Pfiser. The Liberal Party is full of attack dogs and culture warriors. I've never liked them, but they are so much worse now.
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