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Posted by sigismund on July 16, 2018, at 15:14:24
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 16, 2018, at 2:21:39
That was at Port Arthur in Tasmania.
Nice colonial architecture. As a humane improvement for the time they had introduced isolation cells in which you can sit as I did. the idea was sensory deprivation. No light in any case in there.
There is a ser of photos of men who suffered there. The only place worse was Norfolk Island. One was of a young man taken in for 'sodomy'. Homosexuality was finally legalised in 1997 there. 1924 in Peru.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 17, 2018, at 0:37:21
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 16, 2018, at 15:14:24
> That was at Port Arthur in Tasmania.
Yes.
> There is a ser of photos of men who suffered there. The only place worse was Norfolk Island. One was of a young man taken in for 'sodomy'. Homosexuality was finally legalised in 1997 there. 1924 in Peru.
My Father's first wife was from Norfolk Island. I think he may have lived out there, for a time. Not sure... We vistited when I was fairly young. Around 3 or 4. I don't remember very much of it. Only odd kid-things. Picking mushrooms on the side of the road and riding the only Shetland Pony on the Island. Well, being led around, a bit.
Posted by sigismund on July 17, 2018, at 0:39:04
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 16, 2018, at 15:14:24
One possible reason for the difference between Australia and NZ is the relative unimportance of Rupert Murdoch there. New Zealand feels like a 70s beer garden to me, rather than an armed camp.
Murdoch has been stoking resentment for generations and made a fortune out of it, debasing cultures of which he has been envious, otherwise known, so tiredly these days, as the 'elites'.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 17, 2018, at 0:49:49
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 17, 2018, at 0:39:04
And bananas. We brought a few crates of them back with us. Someone had them growing out in their back yard, a couple rows of banana trees. And the bananas were much smaller than the ones you see in the supermarkets these days. Much more vibrant yellow. Much more vibrant flavour. We would split them down the middle and put marshmellows and chocolate in them and wrap them in tin foil and throw them on the bbq.
Sigh. No wonder I need to sleep so much, with all these things I remember. I mean, really, not from photographs or chatting with my parents about any of this, ever...
> One possible reason for the difference between Australia and NZ is the relative unimportance of Rupert Murdoch there. New Zealand feels like a 70s beer garden to me, rather than an armed camp.
It depends on where you are at, in it.
That's what I've learned in recent years. It is hard to convey the totally distinct worlds people live in. In the same city. Trekking the same roads, even. Just the different schedules people are on and how packed or not they are etc.
Our policemen don't walk around with visible guns, sure. But we have plenty of 'security guards' throwing their weight around...
Most of the worst of it is covert. Psychological.
From people getting their jollies off insinuating that they have the power to do this, that, and the other.
From people living cowed and in fear and so on...
From what choices people make about the role they want to take up / play.
The whole victim / persecuter thing, I guess.
Every now and then I feel like I'm getting tested by people. To see whether I'll take some sort of 'bait'. A willingness to turn on others if they insinuate possible threat to me (just imply it a little bit).
I suppose the worst of it really is of our own making.
That's why I liked the hallucinogen experience. It taught me something of the power of the mind when it comes to constructing our reality. The way we see the world. Such a singificant amount of that is a contribution from our own mind. It really does show you something of the potential power for people to see things differently. TO really change ones whole experience of the world by seeing things differently.
Of course this doesn't... Condone? The atrocities that some people commit against others. The genuine abuses and horrors and so on...
But it is important. Yeah.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 18, 2018, at 3:46:07
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 17, 2018, at 0:49:49
There was something really bothering me about those stats and I've worked out what it is...
We keep hearing that life expectancy is increasing, increasing, increasing in developed nations. People are living for longer and longer and longer... With increased disability (because disability becomes more prevalent in later years).
But this denies that. It is saying that life expectancy isn't increasing in developed nations, anymore. It is decreasing. It came down (just a little - like, around a year on average). But the point is it's a complete denial of the... Uh... Party line.
All the planning over here is for aged care facilities.
Because the slum lords start with a single house and then a boarding house and then a tenament block and then an aged care facility / private hospital...
That's where all the public money goes. To 'contracting out' to them / to people doing that kind of thing.
Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 5:35:22
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 18, 2018, at 3:46:07
Move to a third world country where lack of advanced health care leads to a faster deliverance. Within 500 km of the latest war zone might be the place. Vietnam? Somewhere civilsed, as long as they will leave you alone. Could be fun teaching English in exchange for something. Why live in an aged people's home? As a sort of religious humiliation it makes sense I guess.....life is like this, you end up wearing paper party hats and repressing your 'pride'. Joe Pageant returned to the US from Belize to die. I guess eventually pain becomes a problem. Maybe that stuff I said about Joe Pageant was wrong?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Bageant
Oh yes, public money for contracting, yes indeedy.
Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 5:43:43
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 5:35:22
I don't know if you would find this interesting, Alex?
https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/07/18/politics-and-psychiatry-the-cost-of-the-trauma-cover-up/
Posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 19:50:39
In reply to Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 4, 2018, at 18:32:12
Hello Alex and Sigi, how are you? I'm feeling lonely atm. Our president is bashing NATO. How are you all?
I see AU is further limiting immigration. Smart in many ways-- if it can be done without the cruelty. The UN has almost been involved in the US situation. Maybe because it's the US, there is hesitation to sanction or single us out.
I would live in AU or NZ in a heartbeat, as much as I love CA. Or WA State, which looks like NZ in some areas. All those islands. I might go bonkers somewhere that only a ferry can take you, but I don't think so. Many decades ago I lived there for a short time, and the ferry was magic. But I wasn't a parent then. Maybe my kid wouldn't have the same experience.
Sigi, I thought I posted a reply, but I don't see it here. Something dismal was happening (which I can't recall), and sometimes I can get headaches and can't think. I think that was the gist. Just overload.
Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:31:56
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 19:50:39
>Smart in many ways-- if it can be done without the cruelty.
Oh no, we do both and punch above our weight en nuestra fortaleza imperialista. We have ministers to match, a small l PM who made his money deforesting the Solomon Islands. Cruelty is not a side effect, cruelty is the point, as long as we can convince ourselves it is to be kind. They say they don't believe in climate change but strict attention is being paid to the borders. What is it about anglo saxon culture that it so highly values cruelty? It might be Murdoch and the shock jocks I guess. I come from Qld, Dutton is a Red Hill drug squad cop with, as his mother said, a 'strong sense of right and wrong'. A punisher and a straightener.
Maybe I was wrong about Bolton, the right to carry arms and Russia. Looks like the money may have flowed through the NRA. If they think toddlers should be armed, why not the left and all the minorities?
Once in a lifetime this. Once will have been enough.
Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:37:24
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:31:56
You can see it on Fox, to which I am fairly unexposed. The jaw line of O'Reilly, the straight blond hair of all the fascist young women, the glass desks, just made for bl*w j*bs out of sight.
After Las Vegas he said 'This is the price of freedom'
Posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:38:29
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:37:24
Surely anyone would draw the line at Roger?
Posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 22:56:28
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:31:56
I always thought it was greed. Doesn't that make people crazy? To be greedy is to be willing to deny someone else, and that is cruel.
Climate deniers are liars.
Who is Roger?
Posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:23:48
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:38:29
"The world might be broken, but it can be repaired. We are all born with human dignity." Jeff Rosen concluding his TED Talk on Germany.. His parents were camp survivors. True or not, I feel better hearing him say this.
Posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:50:40
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 20:31:56
> >Smart in many ways-- if it can be done without the cruelty.
>
> Oh no, we do both and punch above our weight en nuestra fortaleza imperialista. We have ministers to match, a small l PM who made his money deforesting the Solomon Islands. Cruelty is not a side effect, cruelty is the point, as long as we can convince ourselves it is to be kind. They say they don't believe in climate change but strict attention is being paid to the borders. What is it about anglo saxon culture that it so highly values cruelty? It might be Murdoch and the shock jocks I guess. I come from Qld, Dutton is a Red Hill drug squad cop with, as his mother said, a 'strong sense of right and wrong'. A punisher and a straightener.
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> Maybe I was wrong about Bolton, the right to carry arms and Russia. Looks like the money may have flowed through the NRA. If they think toddlers should be armed, why not the left and all the minorities?
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> Once in a lifetime this. Once will have been enough.I wasn't referring to refugees. The US has cut refugee status. Families separated at our borders asked for refugee status, which our laws allow for. The US broke it's own laws and procedures to do this and deny refugees' rights. Central America is in a terrible state.
Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:41:54
In reply to Re: Paul Jay » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 22:56:28
Here's Roger and Rupert together. Rupert is looking human. But it won't let me copy the link.
Roger Ailes was the head of Fox. Remember? Another one of those sex things.
Halfway down this page is a drawing of the inner Rupert.https://www.themonthly.com.au/?utm_source=htsp&utm_medium=user_bar&utm_campaign=user_bar
Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:54:53
In reply to Re: Paul Jay » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:50:40
Well, at least AMLO won, that was something. Hilary Clinton green lighting the coup in Honduras wasn't. I did enjoy "Sicario". Neoliberal policies in Central America plus DEA aid. I forget what Meridia is. Guatemala has been genocidal my entire life now. I think, but am not sure, that Fidel Castro and Gabriel Garcia Marquez were in the same city in 52 when the first coup happened. Where though?
That was a typical move. Give the children their legal due, but make it as painful as possible, then blame it on the Democratic Party.
That is political debate these days, here as well.
Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:59:36
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 23:23:48
Well, it was broken by people so people can fix it, if they can figure out what has to be done and cooperate.
Posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 15:41:18
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 19, 2018, at 14:59:36
All over the world.......
Posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:39:40
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by beckett2 on July 18, 2018, at 19:50:39
> Hello Alex and Sigi, how are you?
I am good. Busy. But good.
I am learning to swim. I have just learned about Misty Hymen's (real name???) fish tail underwater swim and I'm fairly inspired about becoming a beast in the pool.
> I see AU is further limiting immigration. Smart in many ways-- if it can be done without the cruelty.
Yeah, that's probably true.
> I would live in AU or NZ in a heartbeat, as much as I love CA.
I don't know where I would most like to live, if I had options. I guess it would depend on more particular features. The particular house and my particular commute and so on. I have enough trouble thinking where in NZ I would like to live given options. I think I would like to experience more of overseas. A change is actually quite nice. The US was a bit of a culture shock for me. Strangely... You know how people say 'Seasons' is one of the best expansions for the Sims because of how it is such a significant qualitative change to the game play that makes it so much more realisltic...
Well... Seasons... We simply don't got 'em.
And our holidays are whacky and out of synch and simply don't make sense because of that.
And the lack of tips makes for AWFUL customer service.
Yep.
But I'm sure my complaints about city living ain't got nothing on the complaints about city living I could well have when it came to Sydney or lots of different American cities or LA or NY. So...
> WA State, which looks like NZ in some areas.
Uh oh. Where's that?
Wisconsin?
I'm a lot hazy on US geography. Some people brought me some good american cheese, though, just to show me that it could be done. And I saw some AMAZING organic avocados out of California...
Posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:40:11
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 18, 2018, at 5:35:22
> Move to a third world country where lack of advanced health care leads to a faster deliverance.
That's what happened to my Father, right here. Dx lung cancer. Dead in a few months.
I have wondered why we haven't gone into health-tourism. I mean, tourism is a such a big deal, here. You think we could sell skiing / abortion holidays. Or similar...
The article about 'trauma' was interesting.
I think there is a lot of truth to it -- but I think it is probably not the whole / full story.
There used to be... Probably still are... Cases of people who have the resources they need / access to the things they need... But do experience mental health issues. Like how... Wealthy and clean living and basically healthy people sometimes do get rare forms of cancer and the like. Get mowed down by buses, or whatever. Not the majority of people or cases, to be sure. But, uh, those were supposed to be the cases that medicine was about. It is just that other things.. Legislation etc has failed to protect the people... Lack of access to healthy food etc... People are trying to grow their rest home businesses etc...
The Trump busker was hilarious.
Posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:59:14
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:40:11
Differnet countries have different laws on who is allowed to study skeletal remains. How much time needs to have passed, I mean.
I think it is partly about giving medicine (pathologists) the opportunity (though perhaps that's not the right word) to recover recoverables like implanted devices, and the like...
But it is interesting that a few of teh workhouse buildings were handed over to district health boards.
If you find skeletal remains at a building site you need to get a determination on whether the remains are likely human and how long ago they deseased in order to determine whether the issue is forensic (medicine, pathology) or bio-archeological (so non-medical researchers are allowed to study them)
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:19:20
In reply to Re: Paul Jay » beckett2, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:39:40
We are locking up NZ teenagers I see. Have we put any on Manus yet? Why not? Why discriminate?
I would like to be reading the Op Eds in the Dominion Times.
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:22:13
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:19:20
>The Trump busker was hilarious.
You are familiar with Blink182 and the Wiz Khalifa? You don't want a deficiency or a blockage of those.
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:34:04
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by alexandra_k on July 20, 2018, at 10:40:11
I forget what I have read, but every day new chemicals are created, and tons of existing ones are distributed.
Even 300 years ago so much mercury was used at Potosí in Bolivia extracting the silver that it was to be found in glacier cores from then in Patagonia recently. I'm never surprised when people get cancer.
Posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 17:51:06
In reply to Re: Paul Jay, posted by sigismund on July 20, 2018, at 16:34:04
In case you don't know......
https://www.google.com.au/maps/search/manus+narou+new+guinea/@-2.1026136,142.4862601,6z
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