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Posted by beckett2 on April 9, 2018, at 0:25:57
In reply to Re: I make no comment » beckett2, posted by sigismund on April 8, 2018, at 15:58:45
"Im 80 years old, but I can still be inspired when I see young people coming together to demand the right to study without having to wear a flak jacket." Madeleine Albright in today's NYT
Posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 1:05:31
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 9, 2018, at 0:25:57
From an Australia partially gone.......
There are many people and experiences that have nurtured my life. But my experience serving under Weary Dunlop has had a lifelong and lasting experience on me. We were at a place called Hintock Road Camp or, as Weary called it, Hintock Mountain Camp. Weary is a name of respect. He would tax our officers and medical orderlies and the men who went out to work would be paid a small wage.
We would contribute most of it into a central fund. Weary would then send some of our people out into the jungle to trade with the Thai and Chinese traders for food and drugs for our sick and needy. In our camp the strong looked after the weak; the young looked after the old; the fit looked after the sick. We collectivised a great proportion of our income.
Just as the wet season set in a group of about 400 British camped near us for shelter. They had tents. The officers took the best tents, the NCOs the next best and the ordinary soldiers got the dregs. Within six weeks only about 50 of them marched outthe rest died of dysentery or cholera. In the mornings when we would walk out to work, their corpses would be lying in the mud as we passed them. Only a creek separated our two camps. On the one side the survival of the fittest the law of the jungle prevailed, and on the other side the collective spirit under Weary Dunlop. That spirit has always remained with me.
Tom Uren, MHR, ALP.
Somewhere else he said of the same thing.....'That's my politics'
Posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 15:11:14
In reply to Re: I make no comment » beckett2, posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 1:05:31
This guy interests me. He ran as a Republican against the current president and was the only coherent one on the debate stage. Your quote brought him to mind. He's far from perfect, but most of us are.
"During the primary season, he made headlines for scolding a major GOP donor during a Koch-brothers conference when she questioned his decision to expand Medicaid in Ohio. I dont know about you, lady, he said, but when I get to the pearly gates, Im going to have an answer for what Ive done for the poor. Twenty people left the room."
"http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/10/john-kasich-2020-challenge-against-donald-trump.html
Posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 16:31:08
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 15:11:14
>He believes authenticity goes a long way with voters
Not I fear, far enough. Although I do not underestimate the influence of the (former) Australian fascist who controls Fox and counsels the president.
There a a few Republicans I follow regularly, Andrew Bacevich and Lawrence Wilkerson (and then former CIA analysts like Ray McGovern). They seem to be respected across the spectrum. Wilkerson said he supported HRC because 'I want to see the United States go off the cliff more slowly'. Bacevich headed one of his book with a line out of Kings: 'First put thine own house in order'. I think he argues for a balanced budget, a withdrawal from pointless wars and empire generally, universal conscription without exceptions in the event of a war to be decided by congress, idk what else. He's not particularly left wing but is respected everywhere. I've heard him a couple of times.
But what does this mean?
>Biden, he told me, is very effective. Hes an old lunch-bucket Democrat. Hes a day at the mill and a shot and a beer and were going to give everybody a chance. You may be struggling, and it costs too much for your kids to go to college, but your kids are going to be something. I dont know if the party wants it, because theyre so far left now, dominated by a handful of elites that drive them harder and harder left.
'Harder and harder left'? What on earth is that? LGBTI or whatever it is? It sure ain't nationalisation of the means of production, distribution and exchange.
But he's nice, isn't he? I can't imagine him divorcing his wife by email. This was interesting
>Hes just a manifestation, Kasich said, of whats been happening for a long time. Thats what I think. This has been a long journey down this road. Judge Bork. John Tower. Bill Clinton. Newt Gingrich. Tom Foley.
Jim Wright. I mean, come on. These were things that brought out the worst in people. Brought up controversy and a dividing of the political system.And he's very disarming
> I do like Lady Gaga, I think shes fantastic. But Im a bit more into I mean, I like Bieber. Okay?
Posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 16:43:52
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 16:31:08
This was just awful and reminds me how stubborn people can be.
Posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 16:51:57
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 16:43:52
One thing she could have done, it has been pointed out, would have been to talk about her Methodist beliefs which are, apparently, sincerely held.
Posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 22:55:32
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 16:51:57
She is, I think, incredibly stubborn. And arrogant. And so hated, imo, somewhat undeservedly so. I supported her because I think she would have made the US go off the cliff more slowly, which I was very happy you first mentioned sometime ago because it gave some intelligent validation for my personal belief-- not that makes it correct, but I did feel less alone in my belief.
First, I wish to the high heavens she would just stop talking about the election. Not another word period. That comment was inappropriate to that forum. Second, in her arrogance (you might imagine, her defeat must have stung her to the core), her comment was disrespectful and kind of stupid. But she made it in two parts. First was the awful part, the second, less appreciated, is she prides her forward thinking. She wanted to create different jobs for those impoverished. My understanding from interviews of many workers like coal miners is they don't want to mine coal. They want different jobs that pay well and have benefits. Few pine for the mines.
I don't know. Neocon, monied, but in many ways she has methodist beliefs she wanted to put into play. She wouldn't have felt necessary to staunch immigration and would have provided asylum to some portion of refugees. She also has longer term climate visions.
Maybe there's some arrogance of my own, but I do believe globally, with climate and overcrowding, this is a very very poor time for instability, and as the US goes down, we'll take a few with us :/
The comment about the 'hard left' has me bewildered. There is also complete terror and slander associated with 'socialist'. For example universal healthcare is socialist. Apparently I am a hard left socialist by this definition, whereas I am believe myself to hold moderate liberal views. But then, the truly 'hard left', considers me a liberal, and apparently, that's bad too. As if I don't understand it's all a class war! But we're coming off the rails here. No matter what Kasich says, the 'hard' left is not driving the agenda.
Kasich is very problematic for me, but he was the only republican that was lucid in the primaries.
The young gentleman you sent is nice. After a number of attempts, I've given up on Dore. There's a type of ridicule I find harmful and grating.
Posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 22:58:36
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 10, 2018, at 16:31:08
Would Andrew Bacevich ever run? I'll check out the other two as well. Thanks :)
Posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:29:45
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 22:58:36
Andrew Bacevich shows what has happened to conservatism. He is quite straightforward as being Christian, Republican and conservative and yet he sounds just like everyone else reasonable, really left wing. Did you read the statement he wrote to be delivered to the Sydney Writers Festival when he could not come because of his son's death in Iraq? I will find it in case you haven't.
Posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:37:02
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 22:55:32
It's here somewhere but I couldn't find it in my search.
Here he is talking. He just seems nice, honest and realistic.
https://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/20/the_limits_of_power_andrew_bacevich
Posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:43:17
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:37:02
And that is from 10 years ago before Syria, ISIS and what is to come.
Posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 16:44:31
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 10, 2018, at 22:58:36
I don't have a mental map of the US. If you were listening to people from here and commented I would be able to place them immediately, rightly or wrongly. But when I listen to people from the US everything is naturally slightly different.
Since you don't mind Kyle, here he is doing something interesting (and courageous) in a restricted format. I like him because he seems to value the truth and tries to cut across the normal enforced pattern.
Posted by beckett2 on April 13, 2018, at 18:57:13
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 11, 2018, at 3:29:45
> Andrew Bacevich shows what has happened to conservatism. He is quite straightforward as being Christian, Republican and conservative and yet he sounds just like everyone else reasonable, really left wing. Did you read the statement he wrote to be delivered to the Sydney Writers Festival when he could not come because of his son's death in Iraq? I will find it in case you haven't.
I would, if you don't mind looking it up.
Posted by sigismund on April 13, 2018, at 20:22:09
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 13, 2018, at 18:57:13
I had posted it here but could not find it. Here it is in the Wapo.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/25/AR2007052502032.html
Posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 13:59:38
In reply to Re: I make no comment » beckett2, posted by sigismund on April 13, 2018, at 20:22:09
> I had posted it here but could not find it. Here it is in the Wapo.
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/25/AR2007052502032.htmlThe last paragraph is gutting. I cried.
A quick search yielded a nyt article https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/16/us/16prof.html
He's Roman Catholic. I like catholics. They don't own a monopoly on compassion, and they are sinners with the worst of us, but their doctrine is steeped in it.
Posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:42:44
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 13:59:38
>The last paragraph is gutting. I cried.
Me too. He had been due to speak on a panel at the Sydney Writers Festival at the town hall. He could not come and that statement was read out. There had been such concern about Iraq, and on hearing that the entire room went absolutely silent.
But like he says, it makes no difference. Now it is Syria and if we are lucky nowhere else. But I am not confident.
Posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:45:04
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:42:44
Who was it who said that thing about opening the gates of hell?
Aziz (the former foreign minister under Saddam)?
Posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 18:05:59
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:45:04
From 100 years ago
What is that sound high in the air
Murmur of maternal lamentation
Who are those hooded hordes swarming
Over endless plains, stumbling in cracked earth
Ringed by the flat horizon only
What is the city over the mountains
Cracks and reforms and bursts in the violet air
Falling towers
Jerusalem Athens Alexandria
Vienna London
UnrealMy grandfather fought in what is nor Syria and Israel.
'The past is not history, it isn't even past. To believe otherwise is criminal.' James Baldwin
Posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 21:57:11
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 18:05:59
> From 100 years ago
>
> What is that sound high in the air
> Murmur of maternal lamentation
> Who are those hooded hordes swarming
> Over endless plains, stumbling in cracked earth
> Ringed by the flat horizon only
> What is the city over the mountains
> Cracks and reforms and bursts in the violet air
> Falling towers
> Jerusalem Athens Alexandria
> Vienna London
> Unreal
>
> My grandfather fought in what is nor Syria and Israel.
>
> 'The past is not history, it isn't even past. To believe otherwise is criminal.' James BaldwinWho wrote the above? And apt quote from Baldwin, whom I've never really read.
That image on the album cover of Post Empire. That's how I imagine your grandfather.
Posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 22:15:45
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 14, 2018, at 15:45:04
> Who was it who said that thing about opening the gates of hell?
>
> Aziz (the former foreign minister under Saddam)?There's that study of epigenetics. My great grandmother made my grandmother kneel on coals (cold ones) ordering her to hold a broom over her head for I don't know how long.
Was thinking about that today. Genes, attenuation. My grandmother treated my mother cruelly.
Did you know viruses fall from the sky night and day? The NYT has an article. Scientists caught them in buckets. I can find the article if your interested. (https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/13/science/virosphere-evolution.html)
"It is well known that in Lusitania, in the vicinity of the town of Olisipo and the river Tagus, the mares, by turning their faces towards the west wind as it blows, become impregnated by its breezes,and that the foals which are conceived in this way are remarkable for their extreme fleetness; but they never live beyond three years."
Posted by sigismund on April 16, 2018, at 0:47:47
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 21:57:11
Post Empire? Not to be confused with Post War, whatever it was called by Tony Judt.
In those days people from Australia and NZ felt they were defending the British Empire. There was a problem with the Irish, and therefore Catholicism and conscription became a big issue.
That was Eliot, as is this, brought to mind by the forest of false flags and feints. It is hard for me to believe in anything I hear. Which brings to mind from Eliot
These with a thousand small deliberations
Protract the profit of their chilled delirium,
Excite the membrane, when the sense has cooled,
With pungent sauces, multiply variety
In a wilderness of mirrors.and from Ezra Pound
There shut up in his castle, Tairirans,
She who had nor ears nor tongue save in her hands,
Goneah, goneuntouched, unreachable!
She who could never live save through one person,
She who could never speak save to one person,
And all the rest of her a shifting change,
A broken bundle of mirrors!And from Grace Slick (with apologies)
You want two heads on you body
And you've got two mirrors in your hand.
Priests are made of brick with gold crosses on a stick
And your hands are too small for this land.
Posted by sigismund on April 16, 2018, at 16:02:20
In reply to Re: I make no comment » sigismund, posted by beckett2 on April 14, 2018, at 22:15:45
I had no idea about the viruses. Teaming with life. The song was nice.
It's such a bad time with bad timing. The liberal press (well, I get my information from different places so I don't see much of it.) was not like this during Watergate when the Wapo was reproduced in papers here.
Hey, the other day I saw Erdogan and Putin's press conference. Umm, on RT, idk if it was covered anywhere else. And then the leaders of Iran, Turkey and Russia put out a statement and now I can't find it. Something along the lines of rejecting attempts to create new realities or I imagine the perception of them.
This bloke was a Greens Senator until he resigned because of dual citizenship. He was one of the standouts here.
Posted by beckett2 on April 16, 2018, at 23:44:04
In reply to Re: I make no comment » beckett2, posted by sigismund on April 16, 2018, at 16:02:20
"While much of the news may be fake, the deaths are real."
He who will not be named's approval rating returned to his (almost?) all time high after the strikes. This alone saddens me.
Today's surreal reveal was Sean Hannity named as the third client of Michael Cohen, the above's lawyer. I believe he now has a lawyer to deal with his lawyer's case.
Twitter is a terrible thing. Worse than FB. An article in the Atlantic discusses a study by MIT examining fake news on twitter. That twitter is the orange one's preferred means reveals how crazy like a fox he is.
If you have the interest. If not, the condensed version is fake news flies faster, sticks harder than truth. https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/03/largest-study-ever-fake-news-mit-twitter/555104/
The Albright book is very interesting (to myself who knows little history) but tough to take. You know where it's going. There is a certain portion of citizens I want a divorce from.
Posted by sigismund on April 17, 2018, at 1:47:26
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by beckett2 on April 16, 2018, at 23:44:04
> There is a certain portion of citizens I want a divorce from.
I have thought of becoming a Catholic in admiration of Pope Francis.. I admire Putin, not for murdering his enemies, but for talking strategic sense. In particular 'Can't you see what you have done?' and 'Can't you think one step ahead?' And of course I admire the Russian people.
I want a divorce from the military industrial financial MSM complex.
Am I crazy to think we live with propaganda of totalitarian proportions? But they (the Russian people) were educated while we are not. 'Distracted from distraction by distraction' (TSE). However the lines are fluid and changeable. I wouldn't be surprised to see the right sound more and more reasonable and the corporate democratic thingo be the militarist wing.
It may be less painful for us here to laugh at our leaders than it is for you there. Ours don't count.
Posted by sigismund on April 18, 2018, at 16:03:58
In reply to Re: I make no comment, posted by sigismund on April 17, 2018, at 1:47:26
This is Richard Flanagan on the Australian part of all this.......
In Australia though we feel ourselves, as ever, a long way away. We feel we are somehow immune from these dangerous currents. After all, we have had routine forays into populist extremism from the mid 1990s with the likes of Hansonism without it ever threatening our democracy. Our politics may be dreadful, a black comedy pregnant with collapse, its actors exhausted, without imagination or courage or principle, solely obsessed with pillaging the tawdry jewels of office and fleeing into distant sinecures as ambassadors or high commissioners, or with paid up Chinese board posts, while outside the city burns. But it is all very far from a dictatorship.
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