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Posted by SLS on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:43
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is » SLS, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 23, 2014, at 12:39:26
Okay.
What have you written - and to whom?
Who should I vote for?
- Scott
Posted by SLS on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:43
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is » SLS, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 23, 2014, at 12:39:26
> SLS,
Oh, I forgot to ask...
> You seem to be kind of, shall I say, unable to think or abstract or something.Is it okay with you that I am unable to think or abstract or something? I am mentally ill, you know.
- Scott
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:44
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is » LostBoyinNC45, posted by SLS on February 23, 2014, at 15:58:52
I could care less that you are mentally ill and obviously unable to think or reason well. I can read your posts and that is obvious.
It does bother me some, however, that you are able to spend so much time posting on this forum. Yet seem to have such a cavalier attitude about voting and writing your elected officials. Yes, that attitude bothers me some. It makes me wonder if it really true what psychiatrists claim, that most mentally ill people are unable to take care of themselves...in the most basic kinds of ways.
Eric
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> > You seem to be kind of, shall I say, unable to think or abstract or something.
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> Is it okay with you that I am unable to think or abstract or something? I am mentally ill, you know.
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> - Scott
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Posted by SLS on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:44
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 23, 2014, at 19:02:54
> I could care less that you are mentally ill
That's a great place to start your campaign for the effective treatment of TRD. Good luck.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:44
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is » LostBoyinNC45, posted by SLS on February 23, 2014, at 19:40:55
Do your thing and lets see how far you get. Phillipa
Posted by baseball55 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:45
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 23, 2014, at 12:14:23
> I dont live in MASS, so your question to me is stupid and does not apply to me. Vote however YOU desire. BTW, you almost sound as if you are looking for an excuse NOT to vote...which is typical in this demographic.
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Maybe we should move this to politics, before vitriol spill into the med board. Excuse me. But I always vote and always contribute to NAMI and follow their campaigns. So I am way above the curve here. But, for whom to you vote? I really want to know? The NRA candidate who wants to defund government? Or...? And I bet that legislators are really, really responsive to the rare email they receive that asks them to fund mental health.In MA, I have the luxury of knowing that my legislators actually care about this issue. I leave it to NAMiI to vet candidates. To vet candidates and lobby on my own would be more than a full-time job. That's why we have lobbying, advocacy groups like NAMI. I donate to NAMI. I read their literature. I know the state NAMI director and ask her about candidates.
The idea that politics is all individual - I study A, vote for A, call A's office, etc -- is not workable. That's why we have advocacy organizations. I rely on them to do the homework and vote their slates.
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:45
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by baseball55 on February 23, 2014, at 20:33:49
You know WHY the NRA is such a successful pro-2A lobbying group? Outsiders think its some big secret or something. Or outsiders will always claim "its the big money spent on guns and ammo that keeps the Second Amendment alive."
Neither speculative claim is correct.
The reason the NRA is so successful as a pro-2A lobbying group is very simple, so pitifully simple that a lot of people refuse to believe it. The reason is, the NRA tells its membership to get off their duffs and vote consistently. The NRA also tells it membership to get off their duffs and write their elected officials when critical issues come up periodically.
Thats all it is. Simple. Voting and sending out some emails or letters one to three times a year.
I used to be a member of NAMI myself. Im a member of NARSAD now. I like NARSAD more than I like NAMI. However neither advocacy groups is a well oiled machine like the NRA is and routinely reinforces their membership to "get off your duffs and vote." Nor does NAMI routinely encourage a lot of communications between constituents and elected officials on mental illness advocacy issues.
Ive never been impressed by the effectiveness of NAMI as a mental illness advocacy organization. Compared to the NRA, NAMI is kind of like second string JV in terms of quality and effectiveness. NAMI simply is not aggressive enough. NAMI does like to ask for a lot of donations, however.
NAMI also is more for the parents and family of the people afflicted with severe mental illness. Rather than trying to directly involve the people who have the illnesses. I'd be willing to bet you are either more a caretaker or a doctor who helps to treat these people, than a patient yourself, based upon your writing.
I dont agree with you about relying totally on advocacy organizations. The membership of the advocacy organizations has to vote consistently on the issues for the advocacy organization to be effective. As I stated earlier, that very simple reason is the reason the NRA is so effective. And it is very effective.
If 95% of sufferers of these illnesses voted consistent and also emailed their elected officials once or twice a year about these issues, severe mental illness would be much higher priority than it is. Its as simple as that.
Eric
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> Maybe we should move this to politics, before vitriol spill into the med board. Excuse me. But I always vote and always contribute to NAMI and follow their campaigns. So I am way above the curve here. But, for whom to you vote? I really want to know? The NRA candidate who wants to defund government? Or...? And I bet that legislators are really, really responsive to the rare email they receive that asks them to fund mental health.
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> In MA, I have the luxury of knowing that my legislators actually care about this issue. I leave it to NAMiI to vet candidates. To vet candidates and lobby on my own would be more than a full-time job. That's why we have lobbying, advocacy groups like NAMI. I donate to NAMI. I read their literature. I know the state NAMI director and ask her about candidates.
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> The idea that politics is all individual - I study A, vote for A, call A's office, etc -- is not workable. That's why we have advocacy organizations. I rely on them to do the homework and vote their slates.
Posted by baseball55 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:46
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is » baseball55, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 23, 2014, at 22:09:06
I'd be willing to bet you are either more a caretaker or a doctor who helps to treat these people, than a patient yourself, based upon your writing.
You'd bet wrong.
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> If 95% of sufferers of these illnesses voted consistent and also emailed their elected officials once or twice a year about these issues, severe mental illness would be much higher priority than it is. Its as simple as that.
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>The problem with that is that the mentally ill are not a homogenous group who are easily organized around a specific issue and who self-identify as advocates of that issue. When I was severely depressed, for example, I barely registered politics. My nephew suffers from schizophrenia and is barely able to stay out of the hospital.And, even if he or I were/had been in better shape, it's still unclear what legislation we would be pursuing. Do you have ideas here? I don't. More research funding for NIMH? My delegation already supports this. More funding for community mental health? My delegation supports this as well.
Beyond these issues, it's not clear what the federal government can/should do that will end TRD. Your position that TRD would end if the mentally ill would organize themselves is like saying that cancer would end if cancer victims organized themselves - well, they have (or rather their loved ones have) and it's helped increase funding for research. It hasn't eliminated cancer.
Also, despite your disdain for advocacy groups, cancer survivors and family/friends generally lobby based on recommendations from the ACS. JUst as NRA members lobby based on recommendations from the NRA.
I rely on NAMI, realizing that NAMI is poorly funded compared to other lobbying groups. The mentally ill and their allies are probably too overwhelmed by mental illness and its fallout and stigma to organize themselves the way those affected by cancer do.
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> > Maybe we should move this to politics, before vitriol spill into the med board. Excuse me. But I always vote and always contribute to NAMI and follow their campaigns. So I am way above the curve here. But, for whom to you vote? I really want to know? The NRA candidate who wants to defund government? Or...? And I bet that legislators are really, really responsive to the rare email they receive that asks them to fund mental health.
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> > In MA, I have the luxury of knowing that my legislators actually care about this issue. I leave it to NAMiI to vet candidates. To vet candidates and lobby on my own would be more than a full-time job. That's why we have lobbying, advocacy groups like NAMI. I donate to NAMI. I read their literature. I know the state NAMI director and ask her about candidates.
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> > The idea that politics is all individual - I study A, vote for A, call A's office, etc -- is not workable. That's why we have advocacy organizations. I rely on them to do the homework and vote their slates.
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Posted by johnLA on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:46
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by baseball55 on February 23, 2014, at 20:33:49
Posted by Willful on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:46
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is » baseball55, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 23, 2014, at 22:09:06
The reason the NRA is effective, other than that apparently they have members with enough disposable cash to make sizeable donations, so that the organization is able to make sizeable donations to many politicians, to have lobbyists in Washington who pressure legislators to vote against gun control, and to push for their agenda.
Gun control advocates are often single-issue voters, and for this reason, the organization has unusual sway over the election of candidates-- their members vote consistently for ONE thing-- and that is freedom from any sort of restriction on the availability and dissemination of guns.
Many other people, who belong to various organizations, are not single-issue voters-- there are many issue that divide their loyalties,a nd they do not come out for any candidate who simply embraces their sole issue-- they support various candidates for various reasons. Nor are their organizations as wealthy and therefore as able to funnel funds into activities or ads or donations that are focuses solely on this one thing.
The same can be said of anti abortion voters, who are more powerful than other voters who can lean toward one or another candidates for many conflicting reasons.
There is no reason to assume that the mentally ill constitute some sort of single-issue voting bloc. They come from all walks of life, and are not focused simply and exclusively on improving treatment of mental illness particularly through election of candidates. Science doesn't respond simply to political power-- even if funding is available science can only proceed in those areas that are fertile and sufficiently advanced.
Your accusations against the mentally ill stem I think from lack of understanding of how electoral politics and science work-- and how much more able single-issue lobbies are able to bring people to the polls for their issue-- while other groups depend much more on various and fluctuating types of relevance to people's lives and voting decisions. You seem to be blaming the mentally ill for having more important things to worry about like jobs, health care in general, education, etc than their illnesses- and whose votes do not therefore always follow only one beaten path.
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:47
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by baseball55 on February 24, 2014, at 0:04:38
Im not bothering to reply to all the negative, defeatist, posters here who clearly are against the idea of mentally ill folks voting more consistently. And are against mentally ill writing an email or two or three a year with their Congressman and two federal Senators on federal funding for science research.
I really am kind of flabbergasted by the responses I get when I post on the subject of voting and writing legislators. It really does kind of leave me shaking my head. It really does leave me thinking "LOSERS," and not only that but it leaves me thinking, "a lot of these people actually WANT to be LOSERS."
I know clinical depression can make you really negative and defeatist and apathetic. So can schizophrenia and bipolar. Still though, the fact so many post here and write so much stuff on a regular basis...it really makes me wonder WHY so many here and elsewhere on similar Internet sites can post so much stuff (writing), yet refuse to take it offline and vote and write legislators on these mental illness subjects.
I have been told that some people with mental illness are paranoid regarding voting and emailing their legislators. That has never been my personal experience. But maybe that is what the deal is with some of the folks who post here and elsewhere. I dont know. It just stumps me.
As for excuses as to why you cant/wont/dont want to vote and write consistently, you can have your excuses. Excuses are for losers.
As far as the last post about the NRA being so effective as a lobby, NO, the reason the NRA is so effective as a lobby is very very simple. The NRA even admits it publicly. It stumps people even, its so simple. The NRA just has a membership that votes and writes legislators consistently. Its not donations to the NRA, its not that they have extra good trial lawyers as lobbyists, its not that they have gun companies supporting the NRA financially. Its the simple fact the vast NRA membership is willing to get off its duff every two years and vote for pro-2A candidates.
I see nothing even remotely approaching anything like that within the mental health advocacy community. If the mental health advocacy communist was serious about improving things for people with serious mental illness, they'd be on regular rallying campaigns to get YOU to vote regularly. Organizing you people like the Teamsters organize, getting you people registered to vote like ACORN did prior to comrade obama's first successful run for President in late summer and fall 2008.
Instead, mostly what NAMI does is ask for donations and provides support groups for families of people afflicted with serious mental illness. I dont call that a true mental health advocacy group.
Anyway, carry on. And I will check back in once every two years or so and see the same old names on here and see nothing much has changed for the better.
Eric AKA "LostBoyinNC"
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:47
In reply to THE root cause of TRD is, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 21, 2014, at 23:09:09
I just thought Id throw out one last thing before I leave, as I find this forum depressing as hell. As a member of the gun culture, an NRA member and having suffered from severe mental illness for over fifteen years now, I have learned something new in recent years.
Many NRA member types favor involuntary, mass re-institutionalization of the mentally ill. Similar to what things were like before the eighties. Before the eighties, a lot of people on this forum, including possibly myself, would have been long term institutionalized in state run psychiatric hospitals.
Many NRA members favor mass involuntary institutionalization again because they see it as THE SOLUTION against these sorts of mass shootings we have been seeing lately. They'd rather see you guys put in the hole longterm than give up their 2A right. Sorry to put it so bluntly, but thats the way a lot of NRA people think and see things.
Thats yet another reason why the mentally ill should be voting more and emailing their legislators more. To defend themselves, basically.
Buh-bye,Eric, AKA LostBoyinNC
Posted by Willful on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:47
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 9:09:34
I dont' think anyone here is advocating that anyone not vote. As for voting, I always vote-- and so do others.
I see you criticizing the "mentally ill" as some sort of lump to do something-- and assuming they don't do anything-- but:
1. why do you keep saying 'you people" and 'these people"-- when in fact on your own account, you are one of "them"-- and it should be "we" and us"-- ?
2. what are you doing to mobilize "the" mentally ill? Coming to a support board and criticizing "you people" as "losers" etc-- assuming "these people" don't vote-- and then blaming, rather than trying to understand-- especially understanding in order to change?
3. and if people here don't respond in the way you like, telling us that we're depressing and you will check in to see how badly we're doing a few years from now?
It seems like you yourself are the one who has some issues you wanted to raise about how the NRA wants to institutionalize YOU. Since you have done nothing to make me care that much about you, and I pesonally am worried much more about other issues-- and you've done nothing to apprise me of any threat to my freedom by the NRA-- why should I do much except dismiss your criticisms as from an unkind member of the NRA, known to be unsympathetic to weak-willed "losers" such as myself? We all know the type of "red blooded Americans" that the NRA tends to favor.
Anyway, what are your struggles, other than fear of gun control and fear of institutionalization? Maybe you could use some support for them. And maybe over time you could let us in on the dangers we face and your ideas for solving them.
Posted by Christ_empowered on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:48
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by Willful on February 24, 2014, at 9:56:47
My problem is that a lot of the same people who want research funds and money for treatment want to force it on people, in- or out-patient. I'm kinda a throwback to the 70s; treatment is good, but should be voluntary, community-based, and focused on recovery.
The NRA people aren't the only ones who want to bring back the state mental hospitals. I find this quite frightening. I'm more of a www.madinamerica.com kinda guy myself.
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:48
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by Willful on February 24, 2014, at 9:56:47
Uh, the replies Ive been getting here are not enthusiastic sounding regarding voting.
Just so you know, I actually favor involuntary institutionalization of most people with severe mental illnesses. I think the current system does not work except for those with "worried well" type psychiatric issues, mild depression, mild anxiety, etc.It has been my experience that most with severe forms of mental illness contribute nothing to society, yet take take take from society. Many are on SS disability or on welfare and live off of entitlements and lay around and post on forums such as these and watch daytime TV. And never get better.
I say if they want to live off the taxpayer longterm and do jack, make'em live in state run institutions. I bet a bunch would start taking their meds more, all of a sudden.
Eric
> I dont' think anyone here is advocating that anyone not vote. As for voting, I always vote-- and so do others.
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> I see you criticizing the "mentally ill" as some sort of lump to do something-- and assuming they don't do anything-- but:
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> 1. why do you keep saying 'you people" and 'these people"-- when in fact on your own account, you are one of "them"-- and it should be "we" and us"-- ?
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> 2. what are you doing to mobilize "the" mentally ill? Coming to a support board and criticizing "you people" as "losers" etc-- assuming "these people" don't vote-- and then blaming, rather than trying to understand-- especially understanding in order to change?
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> 3. and if people here don't respond in the way you like, telling us that we're depressing and you will check in to see how badly we're doing a few years from now?
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> It seems like you yourself are the one who has some issues you wanted to raise about how the NRA wants to institutionalize YOU. Since you have done nothing to make me care that much about you, and I pesonally am worried much more about other issues-- and you've done nothing to apprise me of any threat to my freedom by the NRA-- why should I do much except dismiss your criticisms as from an unkind member of the NRA, known to be unsympathetic to weak-willed "losers" such as myself? We all know the type of "red blooded Americans" that the NRA tends to favor.
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> Anyway, what are your struggles, other than fear of gun control and fear of institutionalization? Maybe you could use some support for them. And maybe over time you could let us in on the dangers we face and your ideas for solving them.
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Posted by ihatedrugs1 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:48
In reply to Re: I favor involuntary institutionalization, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 10:12:30
Posted by SLS on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:48
In reply to Re: I favor involuntary institutionalization, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 10:12:30
> Uh, the replies Ive been getting here are not enthusiastic sounding regarding voting.
No one has yet advocated abstention from voting or writing letters.
- Scott
Posted by Phillipa on February 24, 2014, at 20:09:58
In reply to Re: I favor involuntary institutionalization, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:48
I just read on another board that basically you are a troll. Is this true? Thanks Phillipa
Posted by SLS on February 24, 2014, at 23:20:40
In reply to Re: I favor involuntary institutionalization » LostBoyinNC45, posted by Phillipa on February 24, 2014, at 20:09:58
> I just read on another board that basically you are a troll. Is this true? Thanks Phillipa
I am not so sure that questioning a poster as to his status as a troll is entirely civil or productive, Phillipa. I understand your sentiments, though.
Suggesting that people vote and communicate with lawmakers is a simple idea in a complicated world. I do both. Nevertheless, it is possible that I will wake up to my 13,140th morning with TRD tomorrow. I'm pretty sure that my voting record at age 17 didn't produce my refractoriness to treatment. The idea is ludicrous and doesn't deserve too many more of my words to address it. Maybe my acts in the past and present will help eradicate mental illness in the future - just not necessarily in mine. I don't think that any of us can fully know how others experience life. This is as true for LostBoy as it is for SLS.
LostBoy...
You don't know enough about me to opine on my advocations.
Okay.
1. Write letters.
2. VoteGood ideas.
Thanks.
Was there anything else?
- Scott
Posted by Beckett on February 26, 2014, at 21:32:33
In reply to THE root cause of TRD is, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:33
I would infer that TRD exists because many sufferers are not wealthy enough to become lobbyists nor influence them.
Posted by SLS on February 27, 2014, at 6:16:24
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by Beckett on February 26, 2014, at 21:32:33
So nice to see you! I have missed you. I am sure you have been taking good care of yourself.
> I would infer that TRD exists because many sufferers are not wealthy enough to become lobbyists nor influence them.
My TRD is the result of my not contributing to the NRA.
- Scott
Posted by Dr. Bob on February 28, 2014, at 1:41:06
In reply to Re: THE root cause of TRD is, posted by Willful on February 24, 2014, at 16:51:46
> Gun control advocates are often single-issue voters, and for this reason, the organization has unusual sway over the election of candidates
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> Many other people, who belong to various organizations, are not single-issue voters-- there are many issue that divide their loyaltiesOK, but why don't other issues divide the loyalties of gun control advocates?
Bob
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 28, 2014, at 10:44:29
In reply to Re: single-issue voters, posted by Dr. Bob on February 28, 2014, at 1:41:06
The claim that pro-gun, pro-2A NRA membership are all "one issue voters" is a stereotype. As it is also a stereotype that most pro-2A, NRA membership are a bunch of r*dn*cks with rifles in a rifle rack in the back of their pickup truck.
Sorry to bust your bubble, but it just aint true.
Typical NRA member/voter: white male who works for a living and does not live off of entitlements. Although the NRA and gun lobby is getting a dramatic increase of numbers of white females who are increasingly attracted to both hunting and also are increasingly attracted to the idea of carrying a handgun concealed carry in their purse for personal protection. Yeah, they make pink handguns for real feminine ladys these days who cant fathom the idea of carrying around an ugly, black or brown colored handgun in their purse. So their handgun is hot pink, I sh*t you not.
Other stats on NRA members voters are a lot of them have good jobs, are educated, strongly believe in self reliance and self sufficiency. Many own their own small businesses. You'd be very surprised at how many doctors and lawyers are into guns bigtime. And have their concealed carry license and carry concealed handguns regularly, in states where thats legal.
Illinois just approved some sort of concealed carry law, made the anti-gunners really angry.
In short, if you are against the 2A, you are up against white people who work, who vote consistently, who have decent to good jobs and make decent to good money.
And youre gonna lose if you go up against them politically, except in a few states where there are not that many white, WASP type people (CT, NY, NJ, CA and a few others).
These same pro-2A, NRA voters are not single issue voters. This crowd also cares a lot about stuff like, private ownership of land, keeping the economy free enterprise and creating an environment where its relatively easy to just up and start your own business and make a lot of $$$$, controlling the number of people who are living off of the gubmint...dependency upon the gubmint is bad bad bad...it leads to ghettos and poverty and a "slave" mentality. "I just want to live off the gubmint and get my monthly check from the govmint, they owe it to me afterall I feel sorry for myself."
Yeah, lots of other issues the pro-2A, NRA membership voters care about, not just Second Amendment. Many care about the other Constitutional rights as much as the 2A, things like freedom of speech, the FOURTH AMENDMENT, the FIFTH AMENDMENT, ALL THE AMENDMENTS.
People stereotypice pro-2A, NRA voters as buffoons and thats one of the reasons people keep losing to them. Hell, my own psychiatrist admitted to me about two months ago he has a family member who is an NRA member. And my shrink is Jewish. LOL
Another stereotype, that all Jews in America are left wing nuts. A lot of them are, but NOT ALL are. Anytime you stereotype a group of people you are getting ready to lose.
Eric AKA "LostBoyinNC"
> > Gun control advocates are often single-issue voters, and for this reason, the organization has unusual sway over the election of candidates
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> > Many other people, who belong to various organizations, are not single-issue voters-- there are many issue that divide their loyalties
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> OK, but why don't other issues divide the loyalties of gun control advocates?
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> Bob
Posted by SLS on February 28, 2014, at 11:06:11
In reply to Re: single-issue voters, posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 28, 2014, at 10:44:29
I can't tell you how grateful I am to you that you should represent yourself as being an example of a typical NRA supporter.
Phew...
For a moment, I thought I was going to have to argue my case.
- Scott
Posted by LostBoyinNC45 on February 28, 2014, at 12:57:31
In reply to Re: single-issue voters » LostBoyinNC45, posted by SLS on February 28, 2014, at 11:06:11
Im a white male, believe in all the issues and Constitutional rights as described. Im also very pro-First, Fourth, Fifth Amendment. All of them. I work and make money and pay taxes now. I went back to school and retrained. I am self sufficient and do not receive any type of government entitlements.
There are also lots of NRA members who see psychiatrists and psychologists on an outpatient basis. And take SSRIs and other psych meds, outpatient. In fact, one of the current concerns within NRA/pro-Second Amendment circles is if someone does not meet one of the three federal mental health related "prohibitors," yet goes to a psychiatrist voluntarily and takes meds voluntarily, the government may try to interfere with our Second Amendment rights.
Also, those who have been convicted of DUIs in the past, as that demonstrates possible substance abuse issues. What if the person has gone dry after the DUI and is not diagnosed as alcohol dependent, but just had a few too many at a bar and was stupid and got in their car and drove home?
Eric AKA "LostBoyinNC"
> I can't tell you how grateful I am to you that you should represent yourself as being an example of a typical NRA supporter.
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> Phew...
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> For a moment, I thought I was going to have to argue my case.
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> - Scott
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