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Posted by Adrift on July 11, 2006, at 22:39:15
how do you think this relates to self esteem? what do you think about whether a person can be succesful with thier self esteem but at the same time, have sh*tty inner self worth?
happy self esteem to everyone :-)
Posted by sleepygirl on July 11, 2006, at 22:50:08
In reply to inner worth, posted by Adrift on July 11, 2006, at 22:39:15
hmmmm.....
I dunno
my first thought however is that you don't have much to stand on without the inner self-worthmy self esteem sucks...
I haven't got any solid ground to stand onbut it feels more complicated than that for me anyways,
like something I have a limited capacity to hold onto
it's funny you know because I have had moments where I feel "OK" (whatever that means), but it's a slippery thing- I like to think of it as my "leaky bucket"-I might not make any sense there, but for now I like that image anyway
Posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 9:47:48
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by sleepygirl on July 11, 2006, at 22:50:08
Posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 9:48:42
In reply to narcissism? (nm) » sleepygirl, posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 9:47:48
Posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 12:50:50
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by sleepygirl on July 11, 2006, at 22:50:08
you make sense, I think you are right, how can you have good self esteem but sh*tty inner worth, maybe confidence is a separate issue? I hate "me", who I am inside, but no one would know that unless I told them. So, that lead me to believe there was a differnece between my outisde presentation and how I feel inside. I don't know.
Posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 12:52:07
In reply to narcissism? (nm) » sleepygirl, posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 9:47:48
Do you mean that someone who has good self esteem and low inner self worth is narcisitic?
Posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 12:52:11
In reply to Re: inner worth » sleepygirl, posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 12:50:50
Actually my T mentioned it. I didn't make it up.
;)
Posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 12:53:24
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 12:52:11
what? narsicism?
Posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 12:58:28
In reply to Re: inner worth » curtm, posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 12:53:24
Yes. It is complicated isn't it? Like any psych issue. But a narcissistic trait is not necessarily a disorder. I have to be careful because I am ad-libbing a bit here. Narcissism can be a factor of low self-esteem, which then appears as false self-esteem. Feeding on or putting others down in an effort to put oneself above them, see?
Posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 13:18:31
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 12:58:28
> Yes. It is complicated isn't it? Like any psych issue. But a narcissistic trait is not necessarily a disorder. I have to be careful because I am ad-libbing a bit here. Narcissism can be a factor of low self-esteem, which then appears as false self-esteem. Feeding on or putting others down in an effort to put oneself above them, see?
ok I see what you mean. I know someone so much like that. They kind of "overact", and are condescending.
Posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2006, at 11:31:12
In reply to Re: inner worth » sleepygirl, posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 12:50:50
I agree very strongly as I feel the same. No one guesses how scared I am when in a public place like a store. I only feel worthy when I spend money like the others in the store so shop high dollar stores. So I have no self-esteem. It's not what's inside me but what others see. Love Phillipa
Posted by Adrift on July 13, 2006, at 11:46:27
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2006, at 11:31:12
> I agree very strongly as I feel the same. No one guesses how scared I am when in a public place like a store. I only feel worthy when I spend money like the others in the store so shop high dollar stores. So I have no self-esteem. It's not what's inside me but what others see. Love Phillipa
OMG dont feel like that about spending money. People who have lots of money don't always buy the best. Looking is ok too. But you got it, I feel horrible about myself inside, but I don't present iit on the outside. Its not about what other people think of me so much, as what I think of me. Well, actually others do matter LOL
Posted by Declan on July 13, 2006, at 19:29:09
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by curtm on July 12, 2006, at 12:58:28
You can certainly have delusions of grandeur and no self-respect, not that I want to use self-respect as the quality beyond question.
Posted by Declan on July 13, 2006, at 19:46:07
In reply to Re: inner worth » sleepygirl, posted by Adrift on July 12, 2006, at 12:50:50
Hi there
I have a bit of a problem with mirrors. And apart from physical mirrors there are the times I see myself from the outside (is this similar to what you were saying?), like seeing your character in the mirror and the contrast between that and my preferred self-image is dismaying.
Maybe that's the problem with social contact. It can certainly get a bit complex.
Declan
Posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2006, at 19:56:56
In reply to Re: inner worth » Phillipa, posted by Adrift on July 13, 2006, at 11:46:27
Like if I buy Clarins in Nordstrom I feel like I'm one of the people who shop there that can afford the Valet service so I feel like I'm more worthy. Warped thinking I know. But I used to be able to buy whatever I wanted and that is power to me. Love Phillipa
Posted by curtm on July 14, 2006, at 8:34:42
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by Declan on July 13, 2006, at 19:46:07
What I meant by mirrors is that therapists talk about what you talk about. You set the pace and tone of therapy most often. They reflect your thoughts back at you in a certain perspective. Like a magic mirror? And if you want to shoot the bull, then they do too.
Posted by Adrift on July 17, 2006, at 1:47:05
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by Declan on July 13, 2006, at 19:46:07
> Hi there
> I have a bit of a problem with mirrors. And apart from physical mirrors there are the times I see myself from the outside (is this similar to what you were saying?), like seeing your character in the mirror and the contrast between that and my preferred self-image is dismaying.
> Maybe that's the problem with social contact. It can certainly get a bit complex.
> Declan
Im not sure, I don't have a problem with mirrors. I just feel like I have no accomplishments that are needed to have any self worth. Others would disagree, so I realize this is my view of myself, but I feel like I can pass off being happy with myself and I do it daily. But inside I feel like I should be much more, a better more successful perosn with more accomplishments.
Posted by Adrift on July 17, 2006, at 1:49:36
In reply to Re: inner worth » Adrift, posted by Phillipa on July 13, 2006, at 19:56:56
> Like if I buy Clarins in Nordstrom I feel like I'm one of the people who shop there that can afford the Valet service so I feel like I'm more worthy. Warped thinking I know. But I used to be able to buy whatever I wanted and that is power to me. Love Phillipa
I see what you mean. BTW, valet is so overrated, Im so worried about leaving my car with a stranger LOL
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