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Posted by FredPotter on November 28, 2006, at 21:04:25
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 7:24:34
I think if I'd found a simple cure for depression I'd give it away freely (that or blackmail the drug companies by threatening to release a cure). But make loads of dosh from a secret someone told you? How can you live with yourself? Fred
Posted by Dr. Bob on November 28, 2006, at 21:06:58
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by FredPotter on November 28, 2006, at 18:19:23
> How can you live with yourself?
Please don't post anything that could lead others to feel accused or put down.
But please don't take this personally, either, this doesn't mean I don't like you or think you're a bad person.
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Thanks,
Bob
Posted by Declan on November 28, 2006, at 22:33:22
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by blueberry on November 13, 2006, at 20:23:08
What's this?
Fred Potter not attuned to the values of free enterprise?
That's no good.Around here there are these workshops, that people pay good money for, and you get in a big circle and laugh.
The sheer ridiculousness of it may actually encourage real amusement.
They sound like a load of kookaburras.
Posted by dessbee on November 29, 2006, at 5:39:37
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 7:24:34
It sounds more like a program that tries to cure depression through denial.
Posted by JLx on November 29, 2006, at 8:48:24
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 7:24:34
> Hello everyone.
>
> This is Mike Freeman, of www.depression.curedhere.comHi Mike!
Your website asks for an e-mail address so that you may send a FREE special report: "The true cause of depression". Why not post this special report here? I doubt if you will find a more interested audience for the "rather intense research" that has found "a switch that simply turns off depression"! Many of us have rather intensely researched depression ourselves without finding this "really valuable information" -- which is extremely disappointing. Why not share with us here the page that you would "gladly send" via e-mail about "EXACTLY how to use this switch in your brain to cure depression"?
We're open-minded here at Psychobabble Alternative and we're "ready to start enjoying our lives today"!
Since you hate spam as much as we do, you understand why we might be reluctant to all provide our "good e-mails" instead.
What could be better than posting this information here at PB? Especially since you "may take your page down at any time"? Once posted here, people will be able to refer to your "really valuable information" time and time again.
Please tell us more about your cure!
JL
Posted by blueberry on November 29, 2006, at 19:49:51
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid? » Mike Freeman, posted by JLx on November 29, 2006, at 8:48:24
I did request Freeman's free report a few weeks ago. He is a master at vague-talk. He can say a lot without actually saying anything.
His report is basically a sales pitch. And then if you don't respond to him after that, in a few days you'll get another sales pitch via email.
Reading between the lines of his vague-talk, I am convinced his cure is not a cure at all, but rather some sort of coping technique.
Posted by peach on December 4, 2006, at 22:07:51
In reply to Re: cure depression through denial, posted by dessbee on November 29, 2006, at 5:39:37
I wish someone would buy Mike Freeman's cure and tell us if it is real or ridiculous. With all of us as eyewitnesses, he would have to refund the money. I get e-mails from him EVERYDAY since I've gone to his site but I cannot bring myself to purchase it. If he were a big department store I would not worry about getting my money back if I wanted to return it. Or if it were only $20 or so I would buy it in a minute. Maybe Mike, if you read this, you will think about selling it for $20. Many more people than 278 would gladly shell out 20 bucks for a cure. We are desperate and have tried everything but get even more depressed and angry at ourselves when we fall for another "amazing cure" and feel we've been duped again. Does anyone out there trust the money back guarantee enough to try it?
Posted by FredPotter on December 5, 2006, at 14:23:25
In reply to Re: cure depression through denial » dessbee, posted by peach on December 4, 2006, at 22:07:51
Also he says the drugs we take are substitutes for neurotransmitters. I wouldn't trust anyone who said that
Posted by sregan on December 8, 2006, at 18:35:19
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 7:24:34
>And yes, this information, which outlines the actual cure process, is only 3 minutes long!
>And how long will it take to implement?
>Your entire life!
>Think about it. If you stop implementing it, the depression will become a problem again. It is like refusing to wear safety goggles in a shop environment; you put yourself at risk because you are not following the rules of safety.
It's something you do for three minutes several times a day. Someone mentioned EFT. It might be some side spin off from that. I've seen a couple one where you grab the front and back of you head and poof! But they gave that one away for free.
What time frame for a cure do they give? Not 3 minutes, the cure is not thre minutes. The practice takes 3 minutes. By the time your depression is healed who knows what cured you.
Maybe like those services that try to guarantee the gender of your child. You do some unscientific thing they recommend. If it works they keep your money if it doesn't (which it won't about half the time) they give it back. But they still keep the money from half their clients for doing basically nothing. A great gig if you can get it.
Posted by X Prozac Junkie on April 30, 2007, at 19:50:29
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 7:24:34
Mike,
I recently kicked my antidepressant addiction (yes folks, they're addictive). Ever experienced (painful) withdrawal? Couldn't quit? There you go. At any rate, I've questioned any permanent brain damage (not to mention liver, kidney, etc.) resulting from chronic antidepressant use over a 15 year period (Zoloft, Prozac, Effexor, Cymbalta). It appears you may have suffered some brain damage yourself Mike, since your ad copy has numerous grammatical and spelling errors. Who in their right mind would expect to receive money for such a lack of professionalism? Someone with brain damage perhaps.
Best of luck,
X Prozac Junkie
> Hello everyone.
>
> This is Mike Freeman, of www.depression.curedhere.com
>
> Yes, I offer a "3 Minute Depression Cure" on my web site.
>
> While doing research recently, I came across this very intersting site, and noticed these postings.
>
> And if you will allow me to respond, I would like to answer some of the comments and questions presented here regarding my "cure".
>
> First off, I would like to explain the nature of the changing position (or absence) in the Google side bar:
>
> This is simply a function of how the Google Adwords advertising system works. This system is constantly changing and evolving, and over the last year especially I have seen many changes that have turned this type of advertising upside down! I make no claim to being a "Google Advertising Expert", and I have found this to be a difficult aspect to keep up with. I am only lucky in the fact that I have a few friends that help me with this, and it is only because of this that I am able to keep any position at all with Google's advertising.
>
> In other words, everyone but the most dedicated advertisers, with millions of dollars in budget money, will have ads that fluctuate on that side bar.
>
> Next, I would like to address the comments regarding the functionality of the "3 Minute Depression Cure".
>
> One comment regarded the prospect of such a thing as simply impossible - after all, it has been a problem for "thousands" of years, right?
>
> That kind of thinking is unfortunately a little too "black and white". After all, how many medical "miracles" have come about in the last 100 years?
>
> I put it to you that ANYTHING can be possible, if you only know how. This is not just in regards to my depression cure, but it also reflects the potential within the universe in general.
>
> It is when we think that all is known that we make our biggest mistakes!
>
> So let me explain to you the nature of the cure I have outlined in the audio-CD:
>
> Depression is a tool. It serves a USEFUL purpose.
>
> Like any tool, if you do not know how to use it properly it can hurt you. Learn to use it correctly and efficiently and this tool can help you to change your life in rewarding ways.
>
> It is really about changing your sense of awarenes, of both self and environment.
>
> I believe I also read a comment about the length of the cure. Please allow me to clear this up:
>
> The "3 Minute Cure" audio CD is about 30 minutes long. It takes that long to explain enough vocabulary, vernacular, and background to the average person so that they may actually understand and then benefit from the actual cure when it is presented.
>
> And yes, this information, which outlines the actual cure process, is only 3 minutes long!
>
> And how long will it take to implement?
>
> Your entire life!
>
> Think about it. If you stop implementing it, the depression will become a problem again. It is like refusing to wear safety goggles in a shop environment; you put yourself at risk because you are not following the rules of safety.
>
> This is the same idea here. The cure is process that helps you to attain a proper mental attitude and awareness regarding depression, so that you will use it correctly as the tool it is and therefore benefit. When you stop using this process, depression can become a problem almost immediately.
>
> This may sound difficult, but it isn't. It is just true. If you want to see the things around you then you must be in the habit of opening your eyes. But this habit is not so difficult to maintain, is it? I should think we have all managed to do so!
>
> The process simply becomes habit based on experience and knowledge, just like any other behavior with positive benefits to you; you simply "do it".
>
> Oh, and one last thing: regarding the possibility that I am "scamming" people.
>
> I have a valid and active merchant account with a VERY reputable organization. If I were "scamming" good folks I would surely lose this account in short order! If you have any doubts, please look at the URL on the order form page. You will notice that it redirects to Authorize.Net (this is a gateway server). You can contact this company directly and get verification of my business authenticity from them, and they will more than happy to furnish you with information regarding certain aspects of their own business. You should have no problem verifying that both they and I are reputable businesses in good standing. :)
>
> I hope this helps to clear up any confusion regarding these matters here. :)
>
> Sincerely,
> Mike Freeman
>
> P.S. I also offer a 100% guarantee (I ask one question, "who do I give the refund to?" :) ) Try getting a refund on a used prescription sometime!
Posted by EmmaJeanne on April 30, 2007, at 23:53:35
In reply to 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by X Prozac Junkie on April 30, 2007, at 19:50:29
Has anyone bought this CD yet? Does anyone know if it works?
Posted by Vistronic on July 2, 2007, at 13:39:09
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by EmmaJeanne on April 30, 2007, at 23:53:35
Hello this may shed some light on this disscussion.
Peace
Vis.____________________
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by: Charles E. Donovan
"On July 18, 2005, the FDA approved vagus nerve stimulation therapy as a treatment for chronic depression. This is the first ever FDA-approved long term treatment option for sufferers of treatment-resistant depression(TRD). Over four million Americans suffer from TRD. "
"I was a study patient in the investigational clinical trial of vagus nerve stimulation and depression. "
Posted by FredPotter on July 3, 2007, at 17:59:40
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by EmmaJeanne on April 30, 2007, at 23:53:35
I bought the CD and it didn't work for me.
Posted by Vistronic on July 5, 2007, at 10:40:03
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by FredPotter on July 3, 2007, at 17:59:40
Is the treatment at all related to what I posted?
Posted by Kaffy on July 12, 2007, at 11:49:38
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by FredPotter on July 3, 2007, at 17:59:40
> I bought the CD and it didn't work for me.
DID YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK?
Posted by Kaffy on July 12, 2007, at 11:53:42
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by FredPotter on July 3, 2007, at 17:59:40
HI, I am NEW here, so please forgive me if I'm asking this Q in wrong forum, but previous info leads me to ask this:
Has anyone had the Vagus Nerve Stimulation procedure? I think it would be interesting to know the success rate, even if 50%.
Thank you.
Posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:16:34
In reply to Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by blueberry on November 28, 2006, at 21:03:38
On one hand there is some validity to points made in this type of claim....recent research has validated experience ahd what one thinks, does etc, affects brain chemistry, just as brain chemistry affects thoughts, moods,behavior experience...good overview on c.rose recently by nobel prize winner and others on phenom of top down (experience effects brain)v.bottom up(use meds to effect experience)...have come to conclusion as in other post on perspective...there is a chicken little aspect, CBT deals with cognitive errors,(that have bio basis).. that once in persepective and put into mindfullness...can fairly quickly offer some relief...but one does not need to pay some web promoter anything for that insight...contact me for free at diabloesquire@yahoo.com for more info
...on bit of a crusade against these instant cure promoters who take advantage...of chronic sufferers..
Posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:50:36
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:16:34
Forgot to make important point...all these seemingly reassuring money back promises have no way to be enforced in any practical manner, just another version of pyschobabble(apoligy to board name) used to create some false sense of security...only way would be to ask them to state "agent for service of process" in your state that you could take to small claims court...otherwise too small potatoes for any enforcement..
Posted by Kaffy on July 20, 2007, at 6:13:49
In reply to Depression Cure valid? Money Back Promise, posted by diablo esquire on July 20, 2007, at 5:50:36
> Forgot to make important point...all these seemingly reassuring money back promises have no way to be enforced in any practical manner, just another version of pyschobabble(apoligy to board name) used to create some false sense of security...only way would be to ask them to state "agent for service of process" in your state that you could take to small claims court...otherwise too small potatoes for any enforcement..
Agree! If he 'guarantees' his product, he should at least charge half now, half when satisfied, or pay WHEN satisfied. That way, HE is the one taking the loss, if any. The price is ridiculous for an 'unknown' product. A 20-minute office visit to reputable physician is less than that, and he's providing much less, without face-to-face confirmation and feedback. This is what happens when we no longer have Carnivals and the man with the 'where is the ball hidden' side show!
A charlatan, to be sure.
Posted by Cindy1861 on July 20, 2007, at 13:29:26
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Mike Freeman on November 28, 2006, at 21:04:25
Dear Mr. Freeman and Associates:
Here I am on the computer that I have sworn off of, but find that I cannot for research purposes. I must say that after reading approximately 3/4's of your ADVERTISEMENT, all I could do was cry! Stupid me,to think that someone actually wanted to help me lose these feelings was a joke. My trauma started about 33 years ago, but within the past year alone: I was in a vehicle accident with a semi-truck causing health complications; I then lost my job of 15 years as a legal secretary; I then lost my 26 year old daughter the day before her birthday, a mother of 4 small children in a fatal one car collision/rollover; being trapped on the outskirts of the aftermath of a tornado that another one of my daughters', a mother of 5 children, was directly in the middle of (needless to say I walked through the debris to get to her as officers would not let me through); accusations of unfaithfulness by my husband, severe enough to result in my leaving the house and having to cash in almost all of my retirement for living expenses and a vehicle. By the way there is more, but I won't bother you with the di minimus details.
I am 46 years old, the mother of 3 daughters (one recently deceased) and grandmother of 14 grandchildren. I cannot hardly operate on a day to day basis, and you have angered me so, to start off your ADVERTISEMENT as an offer to help people with their prob's, then go on to say how it will only cost you $97.00 to obtain this 3 MINUTE CURE.
Although I want more than anything to free myself from these chains that make me feel so hopeless, I cannot afford your $97.00 3 MINUTE CURE. My hope for people to simply help people, just because, is gone! Thanks for your assistance in opening my eyes, once again on an almost daily basis, to the fact that this world and the people in it are nothing but selfish individuals only trying to get ahead by and through the hard work and tears of the people you step on! Gee Thanks!
Cindy
Posted by Kaffy on July 20, 2007, at 14:24:54
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Cindy1861 on July 20, 2007, at 13:29:26
Cindy: I am so sorry that you've had so much (too much) piled upon you, especially those that cannot be 'corrected'.
I used to cringe whenever my mother said that she believed in 'Mind over Matter' - little did she know what I was going through, even when I was in high school. I don't think she could have comprehended the hell of clinical depression, and my thinking I was 'posessed' because *I* could not control invasive thoughts, etc. I had to work harder than necessary for my accomplishments. THOSE she was proud of. She even denied her own depression. Off soap box.Your complaint was one I wondered about also! If *I* had a 3-minute solution, believe me, I'd have one huge web site, GIVING it away! We who have been/are 'there' don't want others to feel the same way. There's so much to understand about the brain's chemistry.
I cannot offer much solace for you, except that I am sorry that you have to suffer that pain.
Posted by diablo esquire on July 21, 2007, at 4:58:36
In reply to Re: Advertised 3 Minute Depression Cure valid?, posted by Kaffy on July 20, 2007, at 14:24:54
I noticed the posts fm Freeman are missing at least on this thread where he stated that his legitimacy and promises are backed up by the service that process his money exchanges...is that statement in another thread or does anyone have a copy of that....as noted in these promises one needs a legit business with agent for service of legal process to be legit promise or contract to be enforced...I would like to contact that service with his claim that they will back his legitimacy, thus putting themselves in legal jeopardy for his claims...
Posted by Kaffy on July 21, 2007, at 5:49:36
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage? » FredPotter, posted by Kaffy on July 12, 2007, at 11:49:38
> > I bought the CD and it didn't work for me.
>
> DID YOU GET YOUR MONEY BACK?Mr. Fred Potter hasn't responded to this question; maybe he could shed some light on his attempts to get his money back? Fred???
Posted by diablo esquire on July 25, 2007, at 5:40:09
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure for Brain Damage?, posted by EmmaJeanne on April 30, 2007, at 23:53:35
Here's a link to the purchase agreement for the 3 min cure...double talks, waive your rights, enforce the promise only in Oregon etc...have told them would be happy to purchase if they can provide enforcement mechanism for blanket money back promise...also this is just some form they got fm the internet, not really tailored by real lawyers for their businss..will continue to pursue
http://www.3-minute-depression-cure.com/StandardFiles/UnAltered/Policies/purchase.php?sid=367914...if not auto link just go to the website and scroll to bottom to get..try again...
http://www.3-minute-depression-cure.com/StandardFiles/UnAltered/Policies/purchase.php?sid=367914...
Posted by Kaffy on July 25, 2007, at 11:12:30
In reply to Re: 3 Minute Cure = Legalese Double Talk, posted by diablo esquire on July 25, 2007, at 5:40:09
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