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Posted by fionamck on October 12, 2006, at 9:48:15
I don't know if this is the right message board or not, but I'm hoping someone can help me.
I have been diagnosed with - alternately - clinical depression, bipolar II and borderline personality disorder (my psychiatrist and therapist are at loggerheads over the latter two; it's possible I may have both, I suppose). Anyway, I am now on Epilim to stabilise mood and Effexor (many side effects...) for the depression.
My question: I have just bought - over the internet because I don't have time to go shopping - Paul McKenna's "I can make you thin" book and hypnosis CD. When I received it today, it says it is not to be used by people suffering from clinical depression (or epilepsy). Needless to say, I am a little irked that this warning did not appear prior to my purchase. However, as my weight is one of the things that depresses me, and I have struggled with the endless dieting/slight bingeing thing for years and years, I would really like to give this a go. But not if it is going to do something horrible to my head, obviously.
Has anyone out there used the CD (or similar) and survived to tell the tale? Can anyone tell me just what the dangers might be? My psychiatrist wasn't able to give me an answer.
Many thanks,
Fiona
Posted by psychobot5000 on October 12, 2006, at 10:23:05
In reply to Hypnosis and dangers for depressives, posted by fionamck on October 12, 2006, at 9:48:15
This is sort of unqualified, since I know nothing about hypnosis, but why not try it, and stop it has negative consequences?
I imagine the warning is to protect the makers from legal liability, in case someone commits suicide or something, and the relatives/spouse prefer to blame the hypnosis, rather than accept that their loved one was suicidally depressed. Healthcare today is filled with such defenses against legal risk.
Posted by Jlx on October 12, 2006, at 19:51:30
In reply to Hypnosis and dangers for depressives, posted by fionamck on October 12, 2006, at 9:48:15
> I don't know if this is the right message board or not, but I'm hoping someone can help me.
>
> I have been diagnosed with - alternately - clinical depression, bipolar II and borderline personality disorder (my psychiatrist and therapist are at loggerheads over the latter two; it's possible I may have both, I suppose). Anyway, I am now on Epilim to stabilise mood and Effexor (many side effects...) for the depression.
>
> My question: I have just bought - over the internet because I don't have time to go shopping - Paul McKenna's "I can make you thin" book and hypnosis CD. When I received it today, it says it is not to be used by people suffering from clinical depression (or epilepsy). Needless to say, I am a little irked that this warning did not appear prior to my purchase. However, as my weight is one of the things that depresses me, and I have struggled with the endless dieting/slight bingeing thing for years and years, I would really like to give this a go. But not if it is going to do something horrible to my head, obviously.
>
> Has anyone out there used the CD (or similar) and survived to tell the tale? Can anyone tell me just what the dangers might be? My psychiatrist wasn't able to give me an answer.
>
> Many thanks,
> FionaI've listened to a binaural beat (for changing brainwaves) tape that was said to be contraindicated for depressives. I wasn't worried because I had had one years before.
Send it back if you're concerned, because I agree, it should have said that before purchasing. Another thing you could do is use it when someone else was nearby. Since they mention epilepsy, perhaps there is something that may trigger seizures. Or perhaps the other danger is mania.
I recommend EFT for weight loss, btw. It's definitely safe (and easy). And the manual to learn how to do it is FREE. There are also CDs available to purchase to learn more, but I haven't bought them yet.
"EFT is a new discovery that has provided thousands with relief from pain, diseases and emotional issues. Simply stated, it is a unique version of acupuncture except you don't use needles. Instead, you stimulate well established energy meridian points on your body by tapping on them with your fingertips. The process is easy to memorize and is portable so you can do it anywhere. It launches off the EFT Discovery Statement which says...
"The cause of all negative emotions is a disruption in the body's energy system."
And because our physical pains and diseases are so obviously connected with our emotions the following statement has also proven to be true...
'Our unresolved negative emotions are major contributors to most physical pains and diseases.'"
This page will give you a feel for how EFT is used for weight loss:
http://www.emofree.com/articles.aspx?id=2
I recommend the manual on the EFT site. But for a visual picture of how to do the tapping, there's some (also free) info on Dr. Joseph Mercola's site. He says he uses EFT extensively in his practice. He had a whole chapter on it in his book "The No Grains Diet".
http://www.mercola.com/forms/eftcourse3.htm
JL
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 14, 2006, at 7:59:40
In reply to Re: Hypnosis and dangers for depressives » fionamck, posted by Jlx on October 12, 2006, at 19:51:30
I watched some programme on channel four, whereby a some guy (pyshcologist? Pdoc? I can't remember) got a bunch of people who had a phobia about flying and who got them all flying in about four days....
Ah, it was called 'neurolinglistic programming'. Anyway, one of his exercises was to get the folks to tap various points (wrists, side of foreheads) to stop panic or anxiety or something.....it worked really well. They had to tap repeatly and say something. I can't remember what it was, something like 'I am in control' well that wasn't it, but it was something like that.
Very interesting! I wish they'd do a programme like that for other phobias.....
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by Jlx on October 14, 2006, at 11:27:57
In reply to Re: Hypnosis and dangers for depressives » Jlx, posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 14, 2006, at 7:59:40
> I watched some programme on channel four, whereby a some guy (pyshcologist? Pdoc? I can't remember) got a bunch of people who had a phobia about flying and who got them all flying in about four days....
>
> Ah, it was called 'neurolinglistic programming'. Anyway, one of his exercises was to get the folks to tap various points (wrists, side of foreheads) to stop panic or anxiety or something.....it worked really well. They had to tap repeatly and say something. I can't remember what it was, something like 'I am in control' well that wasn't it, but it was something like that.
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> Very interesting! I wish they'd do a programme like that for other phobias.....
>
> Kind regards
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> MeriSounds like EFT too. In EFT, they would probably say something like "Even though I have this fear of flying, I completely and deeply love and accept myself" and then tap through certain accupuncture meridian points through as many rounds as necessary, also addressing anything new that comes up. For instance, a fear of flying could be related to something from one's past or a more generalized feeling of not wanting to be out of control, which you would then tap on separately.
EFT was started by Gary Craig, who previously trained in NLP. He is an engineer by education.
EFT is well worth a try for anyone, imo. http://www.emofree.com/ It's fast and easy to learn and do, and I don't see any potential for harm with the possible exception of EFT stirring up negative emotions where you might feel crappy for a time, like in therapy, but unlike from therapy, you can then you use EFT to tap them away (or move on to the next issue). I also think that with an intervention like this, healing takes its own course. Meaning you can't hurry it along or stop it, unless you don't actually do it, of course.
I've been using EFT nearly daily now for about 3 months. I haven't purchased the available DVDs, just downloaded the free manual and also read many pages on the site, such as those about "when it doesn't work".
One problem I've always had is not "getting over" things, such as my dog dying last Christmas. I was overly sad and down all winter -- and I could tell I wasn't getting much better with time. Then I got a new dog from a shelter this summer and had a real hard time at first as he was the "wrong" dog. I started EFT about then, so I spent only about a half hour one day tapping through the excess grief of losing my previous dog, which I also discovered through tapping, contained some guilt too, which was probably one reason why it all got "stuck". After that, I was able to think about her without that stabbing and overwhelming sadness and felt able to "move on".
I've tapped on ordinary things like anxiety about an upcoming discussion with my boss -- where I realized one thing that was bothering me is that I felt judged by him in some of the same ways I would by my father -- which I tapped away. By the end of it, I was no longer dreading work the next day and was saying "Oh, so what if ....". Pretty amazing.
Otherwise I've been working on some very heavy duty things from my childhood that were supposed to be "processed" previously in years of therapy, but weren't. EFT, for me, seems to me to be some kind of bridge between mind and body that I'm usually unable to access.
JL
Posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 14, 2006, at 12:50:58
In reply to Re: Hypnosis and dangers for depressives » Meri-Tuuli, posted by Jlx on October 14, 2006, at 11:27:57
Thanks for that, it looks really interesting...
I think it is really worth a shot for me anyway. Currently, my brain is too clouded with red wine to look into the website at any depth...but yeah on that show I mentioned previously the folks in the plane were all tapping away as the plane took off.... but, they didn't look distressed just focused on their tapping. And prior to the pysch stuff, they wouldn't even sit in a replica plane, let alone actually fly! It was actually pretty amazing.I could do some of that, when I'm having a panic that I might have poisened myself....which I know is irrational, but still, I get worried....
Kind regards
Meri
Posted by fionamck on October 15, 2006, at 6:41:01
In reply to Re: Hypnosis and dangers for depressives » Jlx, posted by Meri-Tuuli on October 14, 2006, at 12:50:58
Dear All,
Thank you so much for your support and ideas. It's funny because about ten days ago, the leader of a group I go to (auras, energy etc) introduced EFT very briefly for affirmations, and the following week his colleague suggested my boyfriend try EFT for his eczema. Serendipity? A sign? Either EFT is the new buzz-word, or it is something that has really hit the spot with a lot of people. It certainly sounds interesting and well worth a go. I will look at the website - thanks for the link - and try it.
Many thanks again to all who responded,
Fiona
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