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Posted by willyee on June 3, 2006, at 2:06:17
On my way home today i stopped at vitamin shoppe,sometimes i may pick up a bottle of l-theanine but thats about it,i just kinds look and see what the natural world is offering.
Anyway on the shelf was 100 percent pure USP GRADE L - TRYPOOPHAN,not 5 htp,not a mixture,just simply the single amino acid alone.
For those who dont know this amino is the serotionion amino,responsable for it in the brain,it was banned long ago due to a bad batch,and remained so.Conspirsits believe it had something to do with prozac being introduced the very next week.
Anyway suppsedly people used this for sleep,anxiety depression before it was banned,and most people now order it from overseas or as a animal supplment which is also usp grade and totaly safe.Well now appearently its back,the guy told me its been re introduced into the U.S
Dont know what made me grab it on my way out,curosity perhaps,but when it rang up 40 dollers i put it back.
Nevertheless just thought id give a heads up.This amino has been used often in combo with ssris./////particulary prozac in low doses to assist in serotionion production.Might be an option for people.
Im sure its available other places,it was not a vitamin shoppe brand,i dident catch the brand,but most cities i believe have a vitamin shoppe store its a huge chain.Anyway there ya go.
Posted by saturn on June 3, 2006, at 2:06:18
In reply to FYI.., posted by willyee on June 2, 2006, at 17:47:27
> Anyway on the shelf was 100 percent pure USP GRADE L - TRYPOOPHAN,not 5 htp,not a mixture,just simply the single amino acid alone.
That is big news willyee, at least to me. Thanks for sharing it. I have tried several times to get a script for L-Tryptophan with zero success. Docs just didn't know and didn't care to go any further.
IMHO 5-HTP was garbage because to my understanding it merely elevated blood serotonin. It needed to be combined with a decarboxylase inhibitor to allow it to sufficiently penetrate the brain in amounts that would allow for CNS conversion to Serotonin. L-Tryptophan, on the other hand, is the real deal.
Thanks for sharing the info.> For those who dont know this amino is the serotionion amino,responsable for it in the brain,it was banned long ago due to a bad batch,and remained so.
I'd be interested in a delailed reaccount of what exactly went down (some kind of encephalopathy related to a tainted batch???).
While this particular bad batch did seem to be the culprit, I vaguely recall that similar problems (encephalopathy or such) could not be ruled out with untainted L-Trp. Though this sounds like lawyer-speak, and I am personally very interested in L-Trp, I want to be cautious and well informed as possible on this, so any input, info or insight would be greatly appreciated.
>>Conspirsits believe it had something to do with prozac being introduced the very next week.
I have no facts to support any conspiracy, but I also have little faith in the pharm industry. Very convenient timing for the introduction of the SSRI's indeed.
>> Anyway suppsedly people used this for sleep,anxiety depression before it was banned,and most people now order it from overseas or as a animal supplment which is also usp grade and totaly safe."Totally safe" as in approved by the FDA (I'm being serious) or USP grade? BTW, what does USP grade mean?
> Well now appearently its back,the guy told me its been re introduced into the U.S
I am rather surprised. I wonder how this came about.
> Nevertheless just thought id give a heads up.This amino has been used often in combo with ssris./////particulary prozac in low doses to assist in serotionion production.Perhaps I'm speaking out of ignorance, but might combining L-Tryptophan with a serotonergic enhancing drug allow for the potential of serotonin syndrome?
>>Anyway there ya go.I'm curious how long it's been back. Good heads up willyee. Thanks again.
Saturn
Posted by willyee on June 3, 2006, at 2:06:18
In reply to Re: FYI.. » willyee, posted by saturn on June 2, 2006, at 22:24:59
Id google l-tryptophan,the entire story is rather detailed,i never bothered to read it all as it dident sound right to me,i mean how many taineted batches of aspirin have been recalled,but a legal natural nutrient sucha as a amino acid was actualy banned,eh gotta say it sounds rather odd.
Here are some links....
To give u an idea on how it is available here is a notable brandhttp://www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=SR-1167
How the ban went down,here is some info u can readhttp://www.lef.org/fda/fdaban95.html
USP grade means its suitable for human sonsumption,in lamons terms its a high standered a over the counter of legal product meets,its probuably the equalvalent of pharmcutical grade,but more technical here.......
http://www.beautynhealth.com/montiff/montiff_vitamins_amino_acids/USP.htm
that should answer ur questions.....as far as using it in combo with a ssri or any drug,yess there is the risk of serotion syndrome,however it needs to be done with caution and care.
You would normaly use a very low dose of the drug with the amino.......
The amino is very important for re stocking ur brain with natural serotion.
Anytime u use amino acids period u need to use caution,they are natural yess but doesent mean stocking piling ur brain with them is natural,and i recomend anyone using natural amino acid thrapy become familiar with them first,normaly when aminos are used they are cycled with OFF periods to let the brain re adjust and not further imbalances.
I know a common amino acid combo used in muscle growth and fat loss are
L Argine
L orthnine
L carthinine
now the spellings here are off,im too tired to correct them,but the first too increase GH at night,the last is responable for fat loss,and this combo is usualy used at night,however again any amino acid use should be cycled,id google the aminos and learn more about them,i have quite a few books on amino acids i became most intersted in them for working out .
Good luck
Posted by nolvas on June 3, 2006, at 9:02:49
In reply to Re: FYI.., posted by willyee on June 2, 2006, at 22:54:28
It's also available on iherb.com and various other places.
Posted by willyee on June 3, 2006, at 14:04:37
In reply to Re: FYI.., posted by nolvas on June 3, 2006, at 9:02:49
Iherb rocks,they are extremly professional.
Posted by saturn on June 4, 2006, at 0:21:27
In reply to Re: FYI.., posted by willyee on June 3, 2006, at 14:04:37
So if not on any antidepresants 4.5 mg once at night is ok? Any need for cycling? Other precautions?
Posted by saturn on June 4, 2006, at 0:22:26
In reply to Re: FYI.. » willyee, posted by saturn on June 4, 2006, at 0:21:27
Posted by willyee on June 5, 2006, at 1:25:20
In reply to Re: FYI.. » willyee, posted by saturn on June 4, 2006, at 0:21:27
L-trypophan if im not mistaken is like gaba a little,what i mean is in the sense it does not easly cross the blood brain barrier so doses are tricky,u cant be sure how much actualy goes in.
Honestly i couldent tell u about,as much as aminos are touted NATRUAL they are the building blocks of our body,tampering with them is no different than drugs except possably less toxcity,but regardless im not famialir enough with them to know.
Go to google groups,limit ur search to with in those groups,and play with keywords,i almost promuse youll get all ur answers on amino therapy,and itll be from people who prob actualy know a great deal.
I know what i know from the little i read there,and a book on aminos i have,one thing ill tell u that u prob know already,is aminos can have protein present or itll bind to it become part of it,and thus u wont get the singled out action ur shooting gor,itll just be protien.So make sure when supplementing single aminos u do so at LEAST an hour before&after a protein meal,its also recomend to do so with a small juice drink as the sugar and carbs will help drive the amino.
Taking it at bedtime is the best,cause u know wont be consuming proetine for at least a few hours,protein will really make it useless.Good luck.
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