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Posted by ed_uk on October 24, 2005, at 14:37:26
In reply to TO ED UK URGENT - RESEARCH VITAMIN E, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2005, at 11:53:52
Hi Jeroen,
>Freeda Vitamin E 400 IU With Mixed Tocopherols 500 TAB
It sounds good. Will you buy it?
~Ed
Posted by Jakeman on October 24, 2005, at 21:57:50
In reply to TO ED UK URGENT - RESEARCH VITAMIN E, posted by Jeroen on October 24, 2005, at 11:53:52
> hi i found http://www.koshervitamins.com/shop/stores_app/
Obviously this is a confusing subject and deserves research as you have done. Here's another article:
http://www.thewayup.com/newsletters/121504.htm
Which seems to say that if you take the right kind of E and have an otherwise balanced diet it can be very helpful. Beware of media hype.
~Jake
Posted by Jeroen on October 25, 2005, at 9:40:29
In reply to Re: TO ED UK URGENT - RESEARCH VITAMIN E, posted by Jakeman on October 24, 2005, at 21:57:50
TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day of those mixed tocepherol the link i showed you?
Posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2005, at 12:09:11
In reply to TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day?, posted by Jeroen on October 25, 2005, at 9:40:29
> TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day of those mixed tocepherol the link i showed you?
Yes. Absolutely.
I can't think of any subject that has become more prone to scare tactics than is vitamin supplementation.
The Upper Limit for daily intake of alpha-tocopherol is set at 1410 IU (1000 mg/day).
How was that number determined? From studying rats. Rats were given 500 mg/kg/day throughout their lives. After about 24 weeks, subtle changes in blood clotting capacity emerged. Despite clear evidence that the changes were due to vitamin K deficiency, these changes were accepted as the Lowest Observeable Adverse Effects Level indicator symptoms for adverse effects of vitamin E intake.
But how do you determine safe human intakes from chronic massive intake effects in rats? You apply various safety factors (mathematical reduction), which convert the rat threshold of effect into a safe threshold for humans. Using those safety factors, 500 mg/kg/day in rats is prudently equated to 14 mg/kg/day in humans (36-fold reduction). Just to be on the safe side. And ignoring the fact that the adverse effects were not due to vitamin E at all, but were signs of vitamin K deficiency.
Jeroen, I see no reason for you to be worried about trying to treat your symptoms with vitamin E, at your suggested dose level. Yes, I would recommend using the mixed tocopherols, like you have found at that website. It would be prudent to ensure that you also get good intake of vitamin C and alpha-lipoic acid, as they work in tandem with vitamin E. Also, one meal a week of dark green leafy vegetables would ensure that you are not deficient in vitamin K.
Good luck. I wish you success.
Lar
Posted by ed_uk on October 25, 2005, at 14:52:32
In reply to Re: TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day? » Jeroen, posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2005, at 12:09:11
Thank you Lar for helping Jeroen. I am not at all knowledgable about vitamins.
~Ed
Posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
In reply to Re: TO ED UK - IS 1600 IU safe each day? » Jeroen, posted by Larry Hoover on October 25, 2005, at 12:09:11
can i take 2000 IU mixed tocepherol
ill take it 2 months at mornings, hoping my TD will improve
Posted by Jeroen on November 5, 2005, at 7:11:34
In reply to TO LARRY HOOVER, posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
i started vitamin E therapy this morning.
Posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2005, at 19:52:55
In reply to TO ED UK, posted by Jeroen on November 5, 2005, at 7:11:34
Hi Jeroen haven't talked with you in a while. So how are all your other meds doing? And I guess you're out ot the hospital. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on November 6, 2005, at 0:55:21
In reply to Re: TO ED UK » Jeroen, posted by Phillipa on November 5, 2005, at 19:52:55
no im not out of hospital but im better
Posted by Jeroen on November 6, 2005, at 10:31:34
In reply to Re: TO ED UK, posted by Jeroen on November 6, 2005, at 0:55:21
Vitamin E: Side Effects
There is no known dietary deficiency of vitamin E.There are no known toxic effects to megadoses of vitamin E. Occasional side effects such as headache have been reported.
Posted by ed_uk on November 6, 2005, at 15:56:45
In reply to TO LARRY HOOVER, posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
Hi J
>can i take 2000 IU mixed tocepherol
Yes, give it a try. Hope it helps :-)
Ed
Posted by Larry Hoover on November 7, 2005, at 8:37:01
In reply to TO LARRY HOOVER, posted by Jeroen on November 4, 2005, at 12:12:04
> can i take 2000 IU mixed tocepherol
>
> ill take it 2 months at mornings, hoping my TD will improveAbsolutely, yes.
Also ensure that you get adequate vitamin C. About 1000 mg/day supplement. Vitamin C works hand in hand with vitamin E.
Lar
Posted by Jeroen on November 14, 2005, at 8:06:22
In reply to Re: TO LARRY HOOVER » Jeroen, posted by Larry Hoover on November 7, 2005, at 8:37:01
hi, there was a lame therapy so i left the hospital, ill return in a few hours
i started today with 2000 IU at morning, i think the uncontrolled eye movements are worser
i think... btw my pannick attacks are gone, but too much stress will trigger one.
Posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 14:20:53
In reply to TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA, posted by Jeroen on November 14, 2005, at 8:06:22
Hi J
>i think the uncontrolled eye movements are worser
Do you think the stress is making them worse?
Ed
Posted by Phillipa on November 14, 2005, at 20:34:31
In reply to Re: TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 14:20:53
Jeroen, is the E helping you? And being in a hospital can make the outside world very scarey so as Ed said you're stress could be higher. Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on November 15, 2005, at 11:15:07
In reply to Re: TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on November 14, 2005, at 14:20:53
im home, this is day 2 i take Vitamin E 2000 IU, i do notice a sexual side effect, strange
it will work in maybe 3 weeks or 2 months what u think?
Posted by ed_uk on November 15, 2005, at 15:48:32
In reply to Re: TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA, posted by Jeroen on November 15, 2005, at 11:15:07
Hi J,
What sort of sexual side effect?
>it will work in maybe 3 weeks or 2 months what u think?
Yes, I think it might work gradually over several months.
Ed
Posted by Jeroen on November 18, 2005, at 13:30:22
In reply to Re: TO ED UK AND PHILIPPA » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on November 15, 2005, at 15:48:32
hi im on Vitamin E 2000 IU mixed therthingie
should i take more for my TD? im just waiting for something good to happen, im not blind, but my social life is not good because of it. sorry that im nagging....
Posted by ed_uk on November 18, 2005, at 15:45:06
In reply to TO LARRY HOOVER AND ED_UK. QUESTION!, posted by Jeroen on November 18, 2005, at 13:30:22
Hi Jeroen
>should i take more for my TD?
No, I don't think you need more. I know it's hard but you'll have to be patient, the effects of vitamin E will be slow to appear!
Kind regards
Ed
Posted by Jeroen on November 24, 2005, at 15:31:59
In reply to Re: TO LARRY HOOVER AND ED_UK. QUESTION! » Jeroen, posted by ed_uk on November 18, 2005, at 15:45:06
hi, my TD is worser since i started taking the E, my uncontrolled eye movements are worser, they are both (eyes) going upwards then back to normal....
Posted by ed_uk on November 26, 2005, at 14:45:48
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK. QUESTION!, posted by Jeroen on November 24, 2005, at 15:31:59
Hi J
Perhaps vitamin E is interacting with your medication somehow? I think you should reduce your dose of vitamin E
Ed
Posted by ed_uk on November 26, 2005, at 14:47:14
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK. QUESTION!, posted by Jeroen on November 24, 2005, at 15:31:59
http://www.umm.edu/altmed/ConsSupplements/Interactions/VitaminEcs.html
Posted by Phillipa on November 26, 2005, at 22:23:19
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK. QUESTION!, posted by ed_uk on November 26, 2005, at 14:47:14
HI Jeroen, I just copied your E-mail address from another Thread. Babblemail me and I'll give you mine Fondly, Phillipa
Posted by Jeroen on November 30, 2005, at 15:17:43
In reply to Re: TO ED_UK. QUESTION!, posted by Phillipa on November 26, 2005, at 22:23:19
hi ed, im gonna try magnesium now
what should i buy?
Freeda Magnesium Chelated 500 TABOR
Freeda Magnesium Gluconate 500 Mg. 500 TAB
whats the difference between Chelated and gluconate?
I NEED THE BEST THING :(im very sad, going to bed, sad sad sadness... :(
Posted by Phillipa on November 30, 2005, at 20:17:47
In reply to TO ED UK NEW QUESTION MAGNESIUM, posted by Jeroen on November 30, 2005, at 15:17:43
Hi Jeroen. I'm so sorry you're sad. I myself take the citrate. Fondly, Phillipa
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