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Posted by jauggy on October 31, 2005, at 3:57:14
Sam-e worked well for depression initially, but then it made me feel extremely stressed and overstimulated for no reason. I take b12 and folic acid with it but it still made me feel stressed.
Posted by JLx on October 31, 2005, at 11:10:38
In reply to sam-e made me feel stressed, posted by jauggy on October 31, 2005, at 3:57:14
Are you already taking magnesium? Magnesium is a good "de-stressor".
Or it could mean that SAM-e is just not for you. I liked how it felt when I tried it but then it pooped out after a couple months.
You may want to try TMG instead. It's much cheaper.
But also by taking B12 and folic acid you may already be methylated enough, and the SAM-e is then too much.
JL
Posted by jauggy on November 1, 2005, at 2:10:44
In reply to Re: sam-e made me feel stressed » jauggy, posted by JLx on October 31, 2005, at 11:10:38
Thanks for your advice. I think i might try magnesium. I live in australia and so i browsed the products we have and unfortunately most products contain magnesium oxide which i heard is poorly absorbed. I couldn't find any products with magnesium glycinate. Other magnesium types i found were:
magnesium phosphate
magnesium orotate
magnesium aspartate
Magnesium Amino Acid ChelateI know that magnesium aspartate makes depression worse so i won't take that. I'm not quite sure what magnesium chelate is. I might try the magnesium orotate but i don't know how it will go.
Posted by JLx on November 1, 2005, at 5:32:38
In reply to Re: I will try magnesium, posted by jauggy on November 1, 2005, at 2:10:44
> Thanks for your advice. I think i might try magnesium. I live in australia and so i browsed the products we have and unfortunately most products contain magnesium oxide which i heard is poorly absorbed. I couldn't find any products with magnesium glycinate. Other magnesium types i found were:
> magnesium phosphate
> magnesium orotate
> magnesium aspartate
> Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate
>
> I know that magnesium aspartate makes depression worse so i won't take that. I'm not quite sure what magnesium chelate is. I might try the magnesium orotate but i don't know how it will go.You're right about aspartate and phosphate doesn't sound too good either.
Magnesium orotate is one type I've just started taking. In a previous discussion, Larry H. said that the orotic acid itself may have ant-depressive properties. In the kind I have, there's 1,000 mg of orotic acid which includes 75 mg of magnesium. I bought the powder and filled my own capsules and have been taking 2 at a time, so only about 150 mg of magnesium. But I take other varieties as well. One time when I took 3 capsules I got a terrible headache! Not sure what that was about. Magnesium orotate is especially recommended for heart disease, I've read. So perhaps it has some extra blood vessel expanding properties and that's what gave me the headache. Just chatting, I don't mean to discourage you away from mg orotate at all. I'm still taking it, just not that much at a time.
Anyway, is there anyway you can determine what the "Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate" is chelated with? Is it Solgar brand, by any chance? Because I believe that IS magnesium glycinate from what others have said on this site previously.
If not, from this Solgar Australia site, you can find out where Solgar brand products are sold nearest you: http://www.solgar.com.au/
JL
Posted by tealady on November 2, 2005, at 1:46:43
In reply to Re: I will try magnesium » jauggy, posted by JLx on November 1, 2005, at 5:32:38
> > Thanks for your advice. I think i might try magnesium. I live in australia and so i browsed the products we have and unfortunately most products contain magnesium oxide which i heard is poorly absorbed. I couldn't find any products with magnesium glycinate. Other magnesium types i found were:
> > magnesium phosphate
> > magnesium orotate
> > magnesium aspartate
> > Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate
> >
> > I know that magnesium aspartate makes depression worse so i won't take that. I'm not quite sure what magnesium chelate is. I might try the magnesium orotate but i don't know how it will go.
>
> You're right about aspartate and phosphate doesn't sound too good either.
>
> Magnesium orotate is one type I've just started taking. In a previous discussion, Larry H. said that the orotic acid itself may have ant-depressive properties. In the kind I have, there's 1,000 mg of orotic acid which includes 75 mg of magnesium. I bought the powder and filled my own capsules and have been taking 2 at a time, so only about 150 mg of magnesium. But I take other varieties as well. One time when I took 3 capsules I got a terrible headache! Not sure what that was about. Magnesium orotate is especially recommended for heart disease, I've read. So perhaps it has some extra blood vessel expanding properties and that's what gave me the headache. Just chatting, I don't mean to discourage you away from mg orotate at all. I'm still taking it, just not that much at a time.
>
> Anyway, is there anyway you can determine what the "Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate" is chelated with? Is it Solgar brand, by any chance? Because I believe that IS magnesium glycinate from what others have said on this site previously.
>
> If not, from this Solgar Australia site, you can find out where Solgar brand products are sold nearest you: http://www.solgar.com.au/
>
> JL
>
>
Sorry for jumping in here... Aus mate
Solgar is the magnesium citrate
what it is chelated with? I couldn't find out when I tried:-), nor could the supplement companies who onsell the supplements(tried a few), really which ther was some govt. rules here ;-)
but its been over a couple of years since I tried.. so might be some hope :)JL,
sounds like it was too much orotate.Our magnesium orotate unfortunately is ONLy in tablets(which usually I don't buy as I don't seem to go well with the fillers etc). I've bought some, but haven't tried as yet.
Nature's Own 400mg.. which wuld not be anywhere near enough magnesium for you, but the dose guideline on the bottle is 1 tablet 3 times a day.. means 1200mg mag. orotate.
So maybe you should aim for around 1000mg magnesium orotate approx.(whatever that works out to in capsules?:-).. or even better about 1000mg divided over how ever often you take magnesium during the day?
and the rest a different form of magnesium?Not sure how often you take magnesium.. most take it twice a day if they need a lot , but I'm sure you have that bit down pat ;-)
Just a suggestion, it would give you a enough orotate to see if it works, hopefully without the headaches?
Now where did you buy your capsule filler from?
I've heard of a few folk on here using them.
OK I even recall someone discussing them smewhere before...but I'd love to know what you think of themI'll probably put in an iherb order or similar to US or UK in about 4 months time or so ? :-)
So what's the capsule filler like to use..
I hand fill capsules when I need to.. mix a few caps together to get approx desired mix I want..Best wishes,
Jan
Posted by JLx on November 2, 2005, at 6:43:16
In reply to Re: I will try magnesium » JLx, posted by tealady on November 2, 2005, at 1:46:43
> sounds like it was too much orotate.
Two capsules at a time seems ok, which is 2000 mg of orotate, it was just 3 that was too much.
> Our magnesium orotate unfortunately is ONLy in tablets(which usually I don't buy as I don't seem to go well with the fillers etc). I've bought some, but haven't tried as yet.
I got mine at Beyond a Century.
> and the rest a different form of magnesium?
I'm not meaning to take it as my main form of magnesium. But if more gets to where it should go by being mg orotate, then perhaps I can take less magnesium over all, so I am interested in that aspect.
> Not sure how often you take magnesium.. most take it twice a day if they need a lot , but I'm sure you have that bit down pat ;-)
Yeah, I'm always playing around with it but mostly I take it at night or very early morning, if I'm not really up yet.
> Now where did you buy your capsule filler from?
> I've heard of a few folk on here using them.
> OK I even recall someone discussing them smewhere before...but I'd love to know what you think of themI bought mine at my local health food store. It was only $10 and is really a low tech plastic contraption. It's in two pieces, and you fill the top piece with the capsule halves being level, then adjust these little levers that hold up the top piece, which drops the capsules down exposing the top of them so you can put on the second half. Since it seemed like there was some waste left in the capsule, I was also dragging the top half through some of the filling, so they were really full. It was a pain, and quite messy, but has some advantages.
There's one sold at iHerb that's more expensive. Perhaps it's less labor intensive.
JL
Posted by blueberry on November 3, 2005, at 3:47:53
In reply to sam-e made me feel stressed, posted by jauggy on October 31, 2005, at 3:57:14
I was reading on a psychiatrist website the other day that once sam-e starts working, it is important to lower the dose. It has an accumulating effect that can lead to overstimulation if you keep taking the same dose day after day. Take whatever dose is needed to get a good effect, but then decrease the dose after that.
They said that once a decent response has been achieved, amounts as little as 25mg to 100mg a day can be sufficient to maintain the good response without an accumulating overstimulation effect. Even though the pills are enteric coated, this psychiatrist says you can cut them into halves or quarters and they still work fine without being destroyed in the stomach, and you can wrap the unused pieces in plastic wrap which will stay good for a few days.
Solgar has a product called SAM-e Complex, which is a combination of B vitamins and 25mg SAM-e. That might be an option for maintaining a lower dose. The product is designed to supply SAM-e as well as the nutrients needed for the body to create more of its own SAM-e.
Posted by tealady on November 15, 2005, at 5:57:57
In reply to Magnesium orotate/capsule fillers » tealady, posted by JLx on November 2, 2005, at 6:43:16
Hi JLx,
The one sold at iherb sounds exactly the same .. the way I read it?
Seems a waste not filling the top parts at all, as you say.
I thin the caps I get made up at the compounding pharmacies would have to fill both parts to fit as much filler in as they do? Strange.Anyone else got one?
Jan
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