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Posted by lotus on July 27, 2005, at 22:29:30
I finally found a natural supplement worthy of my praise.I've tried everything from st johns wort,5htp,rhodiola(still pretty good),sceletium,valerian,passion flower,tryptophan,l theanine,picamilon,and in my opinion none of these compare to the benefits I've been getting from Seroctin.My anxiety is about 90% gone and my moderate depression is almost non existent.I was wary at first but decided what the heck,I've tried everything else.It started working the first day I took it.I highly recommend this product if you have serotonin problems.You can buy it at www.suvida.com.There's not a whole lot of info on it at that website but I have been able to find some info on it through google.I remember someone on here thought it might be snakeoil from a post last year,but I'm using it with great results and can vouch for it's effectiveness,at least in my case anyway,your mileage may vary.Hope this helps.By the way,I usually smoke about 5-6 cigarettes a day and didn't have one craving for it today.Hopefully this will continue.
Posted by Declan on July 27, 2005, at 22:58:57
In reply to Seroctin:Awesome, posted by lotus on July 27, 2005, at 22:29:30
Thankyou Lotus, I have just ordered some and will take it with interest. Better than sceletium eh? Not that I've tried that. I did like theanine and could do with a tablespoon on my cornflakes if it wasn't so expensive.
Declan
Posted by lotus on July 27, 2005, at 23:14:35
In reply to Re: Seroctin:Awesome, posted by Declan on July 27, 2005, at 22:58:57
Yeah,the sceletium was ok but it gave me a weird "stoned" feeling and didn't work on my anxiety like I thought it should.The Seroctin eliminates most of my anxiety while keeping me alert and focused.I may add some tryptophan dosing to see if it has any increased effect.But the seroctin seems to be working really well by itself.
Posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 5:48:13
In reply to Re: Seroctin:Awesome, posted by lotus on July 27, 2005, at 23:14:35
I've just checked out the ingredients of Seroctin. The only thing I see in there that is new to me is Zea Mays. It appears this formulation has an extract from Zea Mays (Maize Corn) and this is supposed to affect Serotonin.
I've tried Sceletium in fact I still have about 40 tablets left here. It didn't help me for anxiety. I got it from sceletium.com, so I'm sure it's a good brand.
I'm glad Seroctin seems to be working for you. I recently tried Lecithin and Omega oils and they worked definitely for a week or two. But now seem to have lost their effectiveness. A lot of things that work for anxiety seem to lose their effectiveness over time. I guess this is to do with feedback mechanisms in the brain.
SSRI's make me feel 10x worse, and with Sceletium not working I'm reluctant to try anything that affects Serotonin as this doesn't seem to be the cause of my anxiety.
Have you tried SSRI's? If so did they not work or have adverse affects? It's interesting to know if SSRI's didnt work for you yet Seroctin does. Then I might give it a try.
Posted by ravenstorm on July 28, 2005, at 10:43:59
In reply to Re: Seroctin:Awesome, posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 5:48:13
I would like to try this, but unfortunately, it doesn't really tell you what most of the ingredients are.
The main ingredient is listed as 1500mg proprietary blend (ie we don't want to tell you what is in it). I can't see how the other ingredients could do anything for you as substantial as the claims on the site. Still, if I knew EVERYTHING that was in it I might be willing to give it a try.
Posted by lotus on July 28, 2005, at 12:38:10
In reply to Re: Seroctin:Awesome, posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 5:48:13
"Have you tried SSRI's? If so did they not work or have adverse affects? It's interesting to know if SSRI's didnt work for you yet Seroctin does. Then I might give it a try".
I've tried ssri's with very good results,especially Celexa and Paxil,but I didn't like the side effects especially with Paxil,the Celexa seemed a little more tolerable.I've also gotten some benefit from Tryptophan which is why I know my problem is serotonin related.The product is not for everyone, but it works for me and will hopefully continue to work as it's the best natural supplement I've tried so far.
Posted by ravenstorm on July 28, 2005, at 13:38:25
In reply to Re: Seroctin:Awesome, posted by lotus on July 28, 2005, at 12:38:10
Posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 14:58:58
In reply to Re: Seroctin:what is in the proprietary blend (nm), posted by ravenstorm on July 28, 2005, at 13:38:25
Proprietary in this case means it contains the following ingredients but they don't tell you the individual amounts. There is nothing more to this supplement that the ingredients they list. 1500mg in total of the ingredients below. So there could be 300mg of each or different amounts of each, but in total they add up to 1500mg. The only uncertainty is trace minerals, but they are listed towards the bottom of the list and therefore I doubt they have much impact on the formulation.
Proprietary Blend Amount Per serving
1500 mg %DV *Seroctin extract of Zea mays (Aerial) *
Lecithin *
Ginger (Root) *
Trace Minerals *
Alfalfa (leaf)
Posted by ravenstorm on July 28, 2005, at 16:10:20
In reply to Re: Seroctin:what is in the proprietary blend, posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 14:58:58
OK, but I don't see how any of those could dramatically affect anxiety and depression.
Posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 17:20:59
In reply to Re: Seroctin:what is in the proprietary blend, posted by ravenstorm on July 28, 2005, at 16:10:20
Some scant evidence of it's effects are Lecithin which contains Choline and Inositol. Lecithin is rich in Phosphatidyl Choline and according to this site http://www.vitaminevi.com/Concern/Anxiety.htm
It's helpful to control panic attacks. Admittedly the amounts are a lot larger than in Seroctin.Also Ginger > Anxiety reduction – Animal models indicate that ginger may reduce anxiety through an unknown mechanism.
Lastly the main ingredient seems to be Zea Mays. I can't find any conclusive evidence this is used for anxiety, it seems to be more widely used as a diuretic. I've seen a couple of sites mention it raises Serotonin and Melotonin levels.
Nothing really conclusive.
Posted by ravenstorm on July 28, 2005, at 17:37:16
In reply to Re: Seroctin:what is in the proprietary blend, posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 17:20:59
Thanks a lot! I'm just really cautious about the "natural remedies" as well. Because I have gotten worse from a lot of them. If it just doesn't work that would me fine. But if it makes me worse. . .yikes! I seem to have as much trouble with side effects with the natural stuff as the prescription stuff. Meaning, I don't seem to tolerate either at the present time. Makes life pretty much suck for me. Trying acupuncture now.
Posted by Iansf on August 6, 2005, at 17:42:21
In reply to Re: Seroctin:Awesome, posted by nolvas on July 28, 2005, at 5:48:13
> I've just checked out the ingredients of Seroctin. The only thing I see in there that is new to me is Zea Mays. It appears this formulation has an extract from Zea Mays (Maize Corn) and this is supposed to affect Serotonin.
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From what I could find through a quick Google search, Zea Mays applies to a corn genus that has a very large number of variants, including the common vegetable you get in most supermarkets. It seems unlikely this would help with depression, unless perhaps it's a much higher concentration of some key component than you could ever get from eating corn on its own. You know, the equivalent of eating 40 gallons of popcorn or something.
Posted by Declan on August 9, 2005, at 20:52:52
In reply to Seroctin:Awesome, posted by lotus on July 27, 2005, at 22:29:30
You might be on to something eh?
I'm curious as to your opinion on how Seroctin compares with 5htp and SAMe.
My situation is complicated by 10mg Parnate/d. The inhibition of MAO that this produces may potentiate the Seroctin by slowing the catabolism of seratonin(?). I'm interested in all this because of a lifelong, low grade depression that is characterised by a bitter cast of mind where the glass is not so much half empty as it is part of a swindle by the dark forces calling for trenchant critique etcetc.
I had one cap last night and one this morning. Six hours later it feels pretty good, nothing like 5htp (not much there really) or SAMe (too agitating), a bit revved up, a bit happy(!), chatty. It will be interesting to see what happens with sleep.
Anyway it's quite promising. Just hope it's not something else that's doing it, and that I'm not imagining it.
Declan
Posted by lotus on August 10, 2005, at 14:08:58
In reply to CALLING LOTUS » lotus, posted by Declan on August 9, 2005, at 20:52:52
I found that 5htp was ok,I prefer Tryptophan,I got better results with it.I found Sam-e pretty effective but as you said agitating and it's just too expensive. That's a low dose of Seroctin, but you are on an Maoi,,so I guess it's better to be safe.I personally take the standard dose of 4 and get good effects. Again,I just hope it doesn't poop out any time soon.I may also try adding some things like Inositol and maybe Tryptophan to see if it will increase it's effectiveness. Good luck,and keep us up to date on how it works out for you.
Posted by ravenstorm on August 23, 2005, at 10:01:13
In reply to Re: CALLING LOTUS, posted by lotus on August 10, 2005, at 14:08:58
Declan and Lotus, how are things going for you on this. I am concerened about more anxiety, has that been a problem with this supplement? SAMe, tyrosine etc etc put me throught through the roof immediately (shaking etc) due to anxiety. Most of the natural alternatives seem to cause as many side effects as the pharmaceuticals for me.
Any updates would be appreciated. Also, if you are sensitive to anxiety or side effects as I am. Currently my stomach is too messed up to take almost anything--how is the stomach upset factor with this?
Posted by lotus on August 23, 2005, at 23:03:11
In reply to Re: CALLING LOTUS, posted by ravenstorm on August 23, 2005, at 10:01:13
> Declan and Lotus, how are things going for you on this. I am concerened about more anxiety, has that been a problem with this supplement? SAMe, tyrosine etc etc put me throught through the roof immediately (shaking etc) due to anxiety. Most of the natural alternatives seem to cause as many side effects as the pharmaceuticals for me.
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> Any updates would be appreciated. Also, if you are sensitive to anxiety or side effects as I am. Currently my stomach is too messed up to take almost anything--how is the stomach upset factor with this?It works really well for my anxiety.It doesn't completely eliminate it,but nothing ever has except 30mg of Paxil.But as far as natural supplements go it has worked better than most of the other stuff I've tried,except for Inositol which I've restarted and st johns wort worked good when I got a good batch,but it wasn't very consistent.
Posted by Declan on August 24, 2005, at 0:27:08
In reply to Re: CALLING LOTUS, posted by ravenstorm on August 23, 2005, at 10:01:13
Seroctin is less activating than SAMe. Dunno about the stomach thing but I sympathise. Do probiotics, acidopholus and stuff, upset your stomach? (It has been known to happen).
My problem was that the initial good effect from the Seroctin turned into agitation, I guess you'd call it more than anxiety. Parnate 10mg/d has something to do with this. SAMe did the same with Parnate, only worse. Oddly enough I haven't noticed this with 5htp, but I've been pretty careful with that too.
A friend who's not on any ADs is trying Seroctin and if I hear anything back I'll keep you informed.
Declan
Posted by ravenstorm on August 24, 2005, at 9:01:06
In reply to Re: CALLING LOTUS » ravenstorm, posted by Declan on August 24, 2005, at 0:27:08
Thanks. Yeah, I'm really worried about supplements causing more anxiety in me. They either seem to cause more anxiety or more depression. :( SAM-e caused severe anxiety in me wether I took it with an AD or alone. Since you reacted to it similarly, seroctin may also agitate me. I always feel suspicious of supplements claiming to give you more energy and make you sleep better!!!
Posted by Declan on August 24, 2005, at 14:04:48
In reply to Re: CALLING LOTUS, posted by ravenstorm on August 24, 2005, at 9:01:06
Well it would be nice if they (anything) made you sleep better. I have a friend who SAMe made irritable, a little snappy, obvious enough for me to notice. But remember I'm on Parnate. First experience was good. And I had a nice afternoon nap. 2 days later and something like agitation was happening.
Yeah anyway
Declan
Posted by Rizwan on November 24, 2006, at 0:21:22
In reply to Re: CALLING LOTUS » ravenstorm, posted by Declan on August 24, 2005, at 14:04:48
I just ran into this message discussion on a Google search. It's been a year since the last post, but I thought you might try lowering the dose when the irritability hits, instead of stopping altogether.
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